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Post by Serza on Aug 28, 2017 23:38:08 GMT
It's starting to look like some people here are desperately trying to become "Reasons we carry"...
I mean, it doesn't feel that far from where they are right now.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 28, 2017 23:45:44 GMT
“We now measure player sentiment and player engagement over dollars or unit sales”, Miele adds. But where have we seen proof of this lately? Mass Effect Andromeda. "EA has been slammed lately with bad news. Whether it’s Mass Effect Andromeda‘s abrupt end of DLC, Star Wars Battlefront‘s Season Pass woes, and another accursed iteration of NCAA Football 20XX that has the same bugs as NCAA Football 2014, EA hasn’t been feeling so hot. But in an interview published by MCV UK, Laura Miele (EA’s Executive VP) offers some refreshing news: the gamerbase is greater than gamers’ dollars." Miele stated that monitoring the Net Promoter Score of their games – a metric that roughly tracks how likely people are to recommend a product or service – has changed the way they look at their business. NPS scores are now EA’s “number one primary success metrics”, she says. cogconnected.com/2017/08/ea-gamerbase-over-profit/Sounds like it's no longer all about the money. Regardless or not if Andromeda sold well - "player sentiment" was clearly the driving factor in why there's no DLC. That's actually quite refreshing, coming from EA. -(_MEA_)-
Hm... Does EA use SurveyMonkey? Has anyone here received an email to do the survey? Is a survey of 1,000 random EA gamers sufficient?
If Anthem gets a poor NPS, there goes that 10 year support.
Exactly. "We're committed to the long journey ahead..." Six months later Andromeda is cancelled. Sorry, EA will do what EA want. Suikoden, MajesticJazz and the rest of us: We're never heard by EA executives. Oh come on... the only people that might come through are anonymous lower-level developers who still want to mingle with us crazy fans. Also, I think developers at BioWare are the equivalent to me as rock stars. They make the hard task of translating one-dimensional portions and turning it into something beautiful on the Frostbite canvas. The executives at EA I only picture sociopaths... on cocaine. |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 28, 2017 23:51:47 GMT
-(_MEA_)-
Hm... Does EA use SurveyMonkey? Has anyone here received an email to do the survey? Is a survey of 1,000 random EA gamers sufficient?
If Anthem gets a poor NPS, there goes that 10 year support.
Exactly. "We're committed to the long journey ahead..." Six months later Andromeda is cancelled. Sorry, EA will do what EA want. Suikoden, MajesticJazz and the rest of us: We're never heard by EA executives. Oh come on... the only people that might come through are anonymous lower-level developers who still want to mingle with us crazy fans. Also, I think developers at BioWare are the equivalent to me as rock stars. They make the hard task of translating one-dimensional portions and turning it into something beautiful on the Frostbite canvas. The executives at EA I only picture sociopaths... on cocaine. I think us as individuals rarely get heard by the individuals at EA who make the decisions on whether or not games get DLC, games get sequels, or studious continue to exist...but I think general sentiment is always heard loud and clear. The general noise of an issue. So if EA is trying to look out into the wilderness, and even through fan surveys, to gather information they can get a good idea on how well a game is recieved by fans and the media at large. The only issue is, I have always felt, that negative sentiment is always louder then positive sentiment. When I make posts that agree with someone's point its usually along the lines of 'wow that's a really good point' or I just hit the 'like' button. If I disagree with the post it tends to be a lot longer and more nuanced, especially if I am posting on a computer and not my phone. |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 29, 2017 0:00:51 GMT
I wish you were taller, so my point wouldn't go over your head so much. First off, I already proved Andromeda sold as projected. There was math, data from sources, etc. I showed how EA discussed a game that actually didn't meet sales expectations (Titanfall 2) during investor meetings, and how that language was drastically different than the language used for Andromeda. There was a whole thing about it. I don't need to rehash it just because you have some allergy to facts and the memory of a goldfish with Alzheimer's. Yes, my second point addresses your point, because people weren't asking why there wasn't DLC if Andromeda sold well. "Haterz" said there wouldn't be DLC due to low sales numbers. Since sales numbers were apparently not the metric used for determining if DLC was viable or not, that argument is moot. Thus when people in the know said that sales were enough to justify DLC, they were correct, except that sales were not the metric used. I'd like to see where you stated "Customer perception will be used to determine viability of DLC release over sales numbers." Since you've always said it didn't sell well, it would seem an odd thing for you to say, yes? Why say "Andromeda sold terribly, but good sales won't matter because of perception!"? Seems....odd. I have to wonder if it's just more bugs they want to avoid, and don't want to have to patch the game 20 more times because a DLC is released. I get the overall impression they really, really are tired of this game and after 5 years just want out. That's at least what it looks like based on their reactions for the last 5 months, some of their tweets and of course, all the fan reaction. Unless it had been the second Witcher 3, I don't think anything could have induced the company to put out more content. I have a idea based on the report of its development maybe they don't want to cause any more problems due the regression issues . . . Really hard to understand how they borked this release, I'm just not sure how they could screw it up like what just happened. That's a story I'd love to hear, honestly. Fatigue is something I understand, but reputation always trump fatigue. I do get what you're saying and that's understandable to a point. This is a business as well and brand reputation ALWAYS trumps fatigue, internal issues, cost overruns, technical problems, etc. That's what I believe. Too freakin' bad if you're tired and fatigued. You're getting a paycheck. Use that vacation time, but don't slaughter the cow because you're fatigued. Pus***s. You milk the cow over time, but I also get EA. FIVE YEARS?!? FIVE FREAKING YEARS?!? THREE YEARS FOR PROCEDURAL GENERATING PLANETS THAT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION ON FROSTBITE?!? WHO DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING SIX MONTHS OUT?!? Everyone who mattered, apparently. So... yeah five years and then the game is released broken (that's also on EA as well... A publisher needs to protect its golden goose or why bother? F*** you EA.) all to the satisfaction of the YouTube hate crowd lined up and waiting... motherf***ing waiting... waiting with teeth bared and claws out... for the Andromeda train arrive to the station... and well... they feasted from Spring to Fall. So, if I was a low-life scumbag with a $12 million salary I would definitely shut down Andromeda and make up clever wording because I know in my heart: I'm a soulless liar who doesn't understand the art, but I know that art is money. Electronic Artists my ass. Electronic Arts my ass. Enthusiasm Annihilated. |
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Post by natetrace on Aug 29, 2017 0:35:00 GMT
The backlash to MEA was interesting. I've never see so many come together to kill a franchise they proclaimed to love. Now they can dance together in the ashes, a job well done. I can't help but wonder who wins? At times I desire to return to a time before the Internet. I believe people thought on their own better back then.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 29, 2017 0:41:52 GMT
The backlash to MEA was interesting. I've never see so many come together to kill a franchise they proclaimed to love. Now they can dance together in the ashes, a job well done. I can't help but wonder who wins? At times I desire to return to a time before the Internet. I believe people thought on their own better back then. Or just let whatever pagan King make up their minds for them, at sword point...of course that still happens. Hmm. |
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2017 0:54:35 GMT
I have to wonder if it's just more bugs they want to avoid, and don't want to have to patch the game 20 more times because a DLC is released. I get the overall impression they really, really are tired of this game and after 5 years just want out. That's at least what it looks like based on their reactions for the last 5 months, some of their tweets and of course, all the fan reaction. Unless it had been the second Witcher 3, I don't think anything could have induced the company to put out more content. I have a idea based on the report of its development maybe they don't want to cause any more problems due the regression issues . . . Really hard to understand how they borked this release, I'm just not sure how they could screw it up like what just happened. That's a story I'd love to hear, honestly. Fatigue is something I understand, but reputation always trump fatigue. I do get what you're saying and that's understandable to a point. This is a business as well and brand reputation ALWAYS trumps fatigue, internal issues, cost overruns, technical problems, etc. That's what I believe. Too freakin' bad if you're tired and fatigued. You're getting a paycheck. Use that vacation time, but don't slaughter the cow because you're fatigued. Pus***s. You milk the cow over time, but I also get EA. FIVE YEARS?!? FIVE FREAKING YEARS?!? THREE YEARS FOR PROCEDURAL GENERATING PLANETS THAT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION ON FROSTBITE?!? WHO DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING SIX MONTHS OUT?!? Everyone who mattered, apparently. So... yeah five years and then the game is released broken (that's also on EA as well... A publisher needs to protect its golden goose or why bother? F*** you EA.) all to the satisfaction of the YouTube hate crowd lined up and waiting... motherf***ing waiting... waiting with teeth bared and claws out... for the Andromeda train arrive to the station... and well... they feasted from Spring to Fall. So, if I was a low-life scumbag with a $12 million salary I would definitely shut down Andromeda and make up clever wording because I know in my heart: I'm a soulless liar who doesn't understand the art, but I know that art is money. Electronic Artists my ass. Electronic Arts my ass. Enthusiasm Annihilated. Breathe...Peppermint Tea...Tequila...Bourbon...Breathe. |
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2017 0:56:08 GMT
The backlash to MEA was interesting. I've never see so many come together to kill a franchise they proclaimed to love. Now they can dance together in the ashes, a job well done. I can't help but wonder who wins? At times I desire to return to a time before the Internet. I believe people thought on their own better back then. I think people just need to be obliged to own their words, in person or online. |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 29, 2017 1:17:31 GMT
The backlash to MEA was interesting. I've never see so many come together to kill a franchise they proclaimed to love. Now they can dance together in the ashes, a job well done. I can't help but wonder who wins? At times I desire to return to a time before the Internet. I believe people thought on their own better back then. I think people just need to be obliged to own their words, in person or online. Well said. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 29, 2017 1:23:49 GMT
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Post by Qolx on Aug 29, 2017 1:30:40 GMT
The backlash to MEA was interesting. I've never see so many come together to kill a franchise they proclaimed to love. Now they can dance together in the ashes, a job well done. I can't help but wonder who wins? At times I desire to return to a time before the Internet. I believe people thought on their own better back then. I think people just need to be obliged to own their words, in person or online. How would you oblige them and how would you compel a court of law and/or executive to enforce it? |
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2017 1:35:03 GMT
I think people just need to be obliged to own their words, in person or online. How would you oblige them? Well not through the law, that's for damn sure. Can't trust a govt to get involved in the internet without fucking it up royally. But if people were't able to be so damn anonymous, half the shit that gets posted would never get typed. |
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Post by Qolx on Aug 29, 2017 1:41:02 GMT
How would you oblige them? Well not through the law, that's for damn sure. Can't trust a govt to get involved in the internet without fucking it up royally. But if people were't able to be so damn anonymous, half the shit that gets posted would never get typed. I want to understand your position. Are you proposing we find a way to legally compel people to take ownership of their opinions/words/views/etc? Another thing, it was just as easy or even easier to remain anonymous before the advent of mass comms. |
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2017 1:51:27 GMT
Well not through the law, that's for damn sure. Can't trust a govt to get involved in the internet without fucking it up royally. But if people were't able to be so damn anonymous, half the shit that gets posted would never get typed. I want to understand your position. Are you proposing we find a way to legally compel people to take ownership of their opinions/words/views/etc? Another thing, it was just as easy or even easier to remain anonymous before the advent of mass comms. Already stated my position pretty clearly: "I think people just need to be obliged to own their words, in person or online."
"Well not through the law, that's for damn sure. Can't trust a govt to get involved in the internet without fucking it up royally."It's clearly a moral issue, not a legal one for me. Never said I had a grand solution. Just that it's something I would like. |
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Post by Qolx on Aug 29, 2017 2:09:35 GMT
I want to understand your position. Are you proposing we find a way to legally compel people to take ownership of their opinions/words/views/etc? Another thing, it was just as easy or even easier to remain anonymous before the advent of mass comms. Already stated my position pretty clearly: "I think people just need to be obliged to own their words, in person or online."
"Well not through the law, that's for damn sure. Can't trust a govt to get involved in the internet without fucking it up royally."It's clearly a moral issue, not a legal one for me. Never said I had a grand solution. Just that it's something I would like. Fortunately, you're not in charge and can't force your morals on the rest of us. You're suggesting that if someone expresses an anonymous opinion they should be compelled to make it an onymous opinion, instead. That would "chill" a lot of speech as people would limit themselves to posting positive, agreeable, friendly, fluffy opinions. That's dreadful. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 29, 2017 2:18:37 GMT
Whoa, whoa. Are you telling me you needed to cite a source that says "Customer perception is important to business"? I've got a great paper for you on how water is wet, if you need. I think it was published in the journal "No Duh: Articles for Sherlock's without Shit". Well if that was the case, why did DA2 get DLC if it had bad customer perception? |
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Post by river82 on Aug 29, 2017 2:21:41 GMT
Whoa, whoa. Are you telling me you needed to cite a source that says "Customer perception is important to business"? I've got a great paper for you on how water is wet, if you need. I think it was published in the journal "No Duh: Articles for Sherlock's without Shit". Well if that was the case, why did DA2 get DLC if it had bad customer perception? Not only did it get DLC, but there was an expansion planned which was only derailed due to the transfer to the Frostbite engine. So imo kudos to Bioware for fully supporting that game  |
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2017 2:35:04 GMT
Already stated my position pretty clearly: "I think people just need to be obliged to own their words, in person or online."
"Well not through the law, that's for damn sure. Can't trust a govt to get involved in the internet without fucking it up royally."It's clearly a moral issue, not a legal one for me. Never said I had a grand solution. Just that it's something I would like. Fortunately, you're not in charge and can't force your morals on the rest of us. You're suggesting that if someone expresses an anonymous opinion they should be compelled to make it an onymous opinion, instead. That would "chill" a lot of speech as people would limit themselves to posting positive, agreeable, friendly, etc opinions. That's dreadful. I'm not suggesting, you are inferring. Expecting people to have obligation to say online only what they would face to face to that person or group, and own it, isn't even close to saying that everything needs to be onymous. I simply think that anonymity feeds the issue and allows people to say things to people/groups that they never would face to face (and in some instances things they don't even believe), and we need solutions to that. That isn't me saying everyone has to join a forum under their own name and connect it upto their linkedin, cause that would cause some serious trouble in real life. Been stalked IRL and online, know the issues that can arise. Being anonymous didn't help me hide (which is why I'm fully traceable these days), but it did allow the person to avoid any form of consequence to terrorising me for several years. We've not interacted enough on here for you to know that I am a free speech advocate. I think you're confusing legal obligation with moral obligation, which isn't enforced but expected, but my meaning might not be totally clear from my 3am typing. |
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Post by Qolx on Aug 29, 2017 3:02:26 GMT
Expecting people to have obligation to say online only what they would face to face to that person or group, and own it, isn't even close to saying that everything needs to be onymous. Now it's an expectation. You initially said "people should be obliged". I'm sure you just want to filter out opinions you might find disagreeable. |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Aug 29, 2017 3:03:42 GMT
Whoa, whoa. Are you telling me you needed to cite a source that says "Customer perception is important to business"? I've got a great paper for you on how water is wet, if you need. I think it was published in the journal "No Duh: Articles for Sherlock's without Shit". Well if that was the case, why did DA2 get DLC if it had bad customer perception? It's possible that that game was in a different series, had a different reception, came out at a different time, has different numbers, a different development cycle, different issues, etc? Unless all Bioware games are exactly the same? Understanding that games can be different even if they come from the same studio should not be a great leap of logic. |
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2017 3:17:06 GMT
Expecting people to have obligation to say online only what they would face to face to that person or group, and own it, isn't even close to saying that everything needs to be onymous. Now it's an expectation. You initially said "people should be obliged". I'm sure you just want to filter out opinions you might find disagreeable. Because I believe people should be obliged. An obligation is an expected duty. In simpler terms, because you literally asked for clarification, it's a "moral expectation or duty". If you're not getting my meaning fair enough.. Seems like you're looking for an argument though. If so carry on replying, but it's 4am in the UK so I'm done. |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Aug 29, 2017 3:48:18 GMT
I wish you were taller, so my point wouldn't go over your head so much. First off, I already proved Andromeda sold as projected. There was math, data from sources, etc. I showed how EA discussed a game that actually didn't meet sales expectations (Titanfall 2) during investor meetings, and how that language was drastically different than the language used for Andromeda. There was a whole thing about it. I don't need to rehash it just because you have some allergy to facts and the memory of a goldfish with Alzheimer's. Yes, my second point addresses your point, because people weren't asking why there wasn't DLC if Andromeda sold well. "Haterz" said there wouldn't be DLC due to low sales numbers. Since sales numbers were apparently not the metric used for determining if DLC was viable or not, that argument is moot. Thus when people in the know said that sales were enough to justify DLC, they were correct, except that sales were not the metric used. I'd like to see where you stated "Customer perception will be used to determine viability of DLC release over sales numbers." Since you've always said it didn't sell well, it would seem an odd thing for you to say, yes? Why say "Andromeda sold terribly, but good sales won't matter because of perception!"? Seems....odd. There are no released numbers - you're just doing a bunch of hand-waving with magical space math. So no, please don't rehash it. People we're definitely asking why there was no DLC if the game sold well. Not sure how you're oblivious to this. "Haters" said there would be no DLC because a) The hit to EA/Bioware's reputation, and/or  poor sales. Sometimes both. I always said both. I was probably the most vehement poster on this forum that stated EA wouldn't release DLC because the hit to their reputation via customer reception to a shitty product would outweigh the $$$ it brings in. Ah, yes. "Math". We have dismissed those claims. Don't worry, kiddo. I'm pretty sure most university programs require at least 1 year of statistics, so you should be talking it in at least the next decade. That course should teach you about forming conclusions based on data, even (and especially) when data sets are incomplete and those conclusions aren't spelled out for you. It's actually how most of the world works, as rarely anyone gives the complete truth. |
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Post by Qolx on Aug 29, 2017 3:58:38 GMT
Now it's an expectation. You initially said "people should be obliged". I'm sure you just want to filter out opinions you might find disagreeable. Because I believe people should be obliged. An obligation is an expected duty. In simpler terms, because you literally asked for clarification, it's a "moral expectation or duty". If you're not getting my meaning fair enough.. Seems like you're looking for an argument though. If so carry on replying, but it's 4am in the UK so I'm done. Right. That's your personal moral expectation. We already expect people be honest and consistent in all their interactions but we don't force our expectations on them. Keep in mind the context of this zany "philosophical" argument is your disdain towards people who criticize ME:A, "Why there's no DLC". It didn't occur to you that someone might be nicer towards ME:A online and nastier offline but I expect you expect them to be equally nasty in both settings. Or equally nicer. I mean, I'm not sure how your moral expectation would solve that issue. Anyways, rest well. Cheers!  |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 29, 2017 6:15:05 GMT
Seriously? DLC being weighed against something other than just the almighty dollar... -I can grant that but doubt that money is not also looked at. HOWEVER I will discount that those two reasons are just the only two reasons... I just find it hard to believe EA will ever get out of their greedy money war-mongering ways. Though unlike most studios Bioware seems hard to kill -granted EA has managed to kill/redeploy: 5 out of 7 Bioware studios. Bioware Montreal is just the most recent of Bioware's studios' that EA has closed -there are 4 other Bioware studios EA has killed previously though: All 5 of these Bioware studios -of which were closed in the last 8 years.
Taking into account that it has been a decade -since EA bought Bioware:
A decade -that I might add has seen each released game from Bioware to cause more and more scrutinizing to focus on them.
Eyes and attention that keeps going further and further in the analyzing and scrutinizing any game that Bioware makes.
It sure has been a troubling decade for Bioware:
ME2 -certain people complain with the non-open-worldness, is to much of a level shooter, ect.
Some people annoyed with the DA2 game design: game-play, mechanics, one/two/three city settings, ect.
The ME3 Ending(s) debacle and uproar by yet other very loyal franchise fans.
Then of course you have the people who complained about the DAI openworldness, livitiy, story issues, ect.
Followed lastly by the ME:A game which is glitched, bugged, loop-hold story, troubled animation -ironically enough none of those bother me. The problem is we have fans who are so critical -one way or another. That they look in every nook and cranny for something to complain or squander or fester out-loud about. Then complain and complain and if proven right run it right into the ground that they were right and our argument has no validity. This is stupid. Sure you were right but now you pound it into the ground. I caution that this prideful arrogance with eventually follow you down to obliteration: With the ever increasing hostility that Bioware took -since ME3 especially -it is no wonder EA gave Mass Effect to a different Bioware studio. A studio that by the way was mainly responsible for DLC of the Mass Effect franchise before ME:A. A move most likely was handled by those high up in the chain of command and most likely a EA commander -though not necessarily. Still a move to try and get a neutral game out there that could put the series on a some different terrain -a move that did succeed in that alone. If you don't at least believe that then you spent too much time on the nexus and not enough on Eos. Most likely EA may still be trying to distance itself from the hostile attacks of the fans on past Bioware games. So a change of studios and the games story/message was toned down to keep that from being the focal point. And now we hear they are listening to fans? Something that they just now say they are beginning to pay attention to -listening to the fans -if true then good -if not...   Hmm. Ironic. Bioware caused EA to listen to fans via the uproar their games have had on people's emotions. Well done manipulation right there... knew Bioware was Sherlock Holmes to EA's Professor James Moriarty... Ok that was satire and sarcasm right there for those who don't get it. Also did no one ever think that this was all planned in the beginning to be this way -should things go a hurting the game sales or fan reaction: Tone down the hostility on the Mass Effect franchise by putting a neutral game in another galaxy. -check. Now once the story is done and people have played and now know the basics have the books published and let the true fans read- check. Make the books go in a single direction that may not only unite the Andromeda galaxy but tie in the Milky Way galaxy. -crazy check. I am pretty sure that the book sales will be watched closely and that will then decide whether the Mass Effect franchise gets put completely on hiatus. |
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