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Post by mannyray on Aug 29, 2017 8:41:20 GMT
Let us know when you play the game for the first time. I posted this on July 12th: Two possible scenarios: 1) The cost to make single player DLC might be too high to warrant its release based on active player numbers only they have. Seeing the incomplete state Andromeda was in at release, I doubt they had much of any DLC in production or ready to go. 2) The revisitation of online ridicule and mockery when they've just introduced Anthem might sway them to sweep Andromeda under the rug and focus on looking forward towards the positives. - I've mentioned the hit DLC would take to their reputation dozens of times. However, that has nothing to do with me paying full price for a 4/10 game when I got my fill for $5. Ah, okay. I think there's a misunderstanding here. You thought I was saying you played the 5 dollar trial. Sorry for the miscommunication. I mean't to say You never played it at all.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 29, 2017 9:21:31 GMT
If that was true, surely they'd attempt to improve sentiment by adding better content to the game? The truth is MEA had to be sacrificed so that all resources and attention could be refocused on Anthem. After MEA my sentiment towards Anthem and EA trend analysts is that they can go fuck themselves.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 29, 2017 9:38:53 GMT
Already stated my position pretty clearly: "I think people just need to be obliged to own their words, in person or online." "Well not through the law, that's for damn sure. Can't trust a govt to get involved in the internet without fucking it up royally."It's clearly a moral issue, not a legal one for me. Never said I had a grand solution. Just that it's something I would like. Fortunately, you're not in charge and can't force your morals on the rest of us. You're suggesting that if someone expresses an anonymous opinion they should be compelled to make it an onymous opinion, instead. That would "chill" a lot of speech as people would limit themselves to posting positive, agreeable, friendly, fluffy opinions. That's dreadful. Has never stopped me. Hi I'm Glenn Ortman, and I say whatever the fuck I want to on the internet because I say whatever the fuck I want to in real life. Some of you are just gigantic wimps.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2017 9:42:30 GMT
Fortunately, you're not in charge and can't force your morals on the rest of us. You're suggesting that if someone expresses an anonymous opinion they should be compelled to make it an onymous opinion, instead. That would "chill" a lot of speech as people would limit themselves to posting positive, agreeable, friendly, fluffy opinions. That's dreadful. Has never stopped me. Hi I'm Glenn Ortman, and I say whatever the fuck I want to on the internet because I say whatever the fuck I want to in real life. Some of you are just gigantic wimps. Hi Glen Ortman! That's a damn good attitude! ;-)
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Post by cypherj on Aug 29, 2017 12:26:46 GMT
OMG, Net Promoter Scores, if I never hear this term again.
They hang all over these things at my company, every road map meeting we're spending a chunk of time going over these things. Account executives get bonuses based of what percentage of their clients they get to return these.
However, at the end of the day they don't determine whether or not we create or don't create modules for certain products, or whether we continue supporting certain versions. If something isn't selling you don't need a survey to tell you to cut your loses and move on or take your winning and get up from the table. If EA killed DLC for Andromeda it's because the market wasn't there to make if profitable.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 29, 2017 13:12:37 GMT
Has never stopped me. Hi I'm Glenn Ortman, and I say whatever the fuck I want to on the internet because I say whatever the fuck I want to in real life. Some of you are just gigantic wimps. Hi Glen Ortman! That's a damn good attitude! ;-) Nothing wrong with having sound judgement and speaking out. I have literally saved two lives in the last year because I yell when things are fucked up. Also, I am not a bully but I am 6'3 220 and a lifelong athlete. People never say to me what they say to me on the internet, because.... Uh, you know why. The internet breeds a bunch of tough talkers that need to be punched in the face one good time at least. I know I am a better man for the couple ass-beatings I took in my youth; I learned to edit myself to an extent, and mostly not to get stupid drunk. This is your grand safe space. Lol.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 29, 2017 13:26:48 GMT
There may yet be discussion here worth having. But if people don't chill and push the line into personal attacks or worse, it'll be the lock. Everyone breathe, and come at the topic rationally.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 29, 2017 14:44:00 GMT
Well if that was the case, why did DA2 get DLC if it had bad customer perception? It's possible that that game was in a different series, had a different reception, came out at a different time, has different numbers, a different development cycle, different issues, etc? Unless all Bioware games are exactly the same? Understanding that games can be different even if they come from the same studio should not be a great leap of logic. Oh give me a break! Prior to the announcement of no DLC many deniers pointed to DA2 as an example of a Bioware game that got bad reception and yet still ended up getting DLC. This was to prove that there was still hope for MEA. Now all of a sudden DA2 is a "different case" and that not all "Bioware games are the same". Funny....
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 29, 2017 14:55:50 GMT
Was DA2 really received that badly? I recall there being enough hate to be wary, but there was an avid fan following for its various characters and some rather amusing [positive] memes. Arishok no kicks the shit out of Sten no. Some of the biggest fan favorites tend to be out of 2's cast.
Looking back, if there was one Bio game I'd love to stuff with fresh assets (insert Isabela remark), it'd definitely be DA2.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 29, 2017 15:09:17 GMT
Was DA2 really received that badly? I recall there being enough hate to be wary, but there was an avid fan following for its various characters and some rather amusing [positive] memes. Arishok no kicks the shit out of Sten no. Some of the biggest fan favorites tend to be out of 2's cast. Looking back, if there was one Bio game I'd love to stuff with fresh assets (insert Isabela remark), it'd definitely be DA2. Yes, DA2 had a bad reception outside of the media which rated the game favorably. It was the 1st Bioware game that was blamed for pushing a SJW agenda and was bashed for being to simplistic, repeat locations, and non-epic story and many other stuff. Difference is, DA2 criticism was limited to the official forums and other message boards whereas MEA got memes, gifs, and youtube videos.
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Post by abaris on Aug 29, 2017 15:10:22 GMT
Now all of a sudden DA2 is a "different case" and that not all "Bioware games are the same". Funny.... In a way it is. A development cycle of one year and quite probably less budget and lower expectations. How that translates into DLCs being produced as opposed to not being produced is anyone's guess. From an economic standpoint, MEA and DA2 seem to be very different products.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 29, 2017 15:13:34 GMT
Was DA2 really received that badly? I recall there being enough hate to be wary, but there was an avid fan following for its various characters and some rather amusing [positive] memes. Arishok no kicks the shit out of Sten no. Some of the biggest fan favorites tend to be out of 2's cast. Looking back, if there was one Bio game I'd love to stuff with fresh assets (insert Isabela remark), it'd definitely be DA2. Yes, DA2 had a bad reception outside of the media which rated the game favorably. It was the 1st Bioware game that was blamed for pushing a SJW agenda and was bashed for being to simplistic, repeat locations, and non-epic story and many other stuff. Difference is, DA2 criticism was limited to the official forums and other message boards whereas MEA got memes, gifs, and youtube videos. The non-epic story complaint was always funny, because BioWare was also criticized at the same time for going with the same old epic formula. Look at people who wanted to play some rando pirate in a Mass Effect game. Then if they got what they wanted, other people would piss and moan that this person's a perpetual nobody compared to Shepard. As for the SJW agenda thing, I'm not sure those folks were ever worth taking seriously.
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Post by shinobiwan on Aug 29, 2017 15:14:05 GMT
I'll echo that the magnitude of the criticism towards DA2 was nowhere near as bad as MEA, and rightfully so. The game was a step in the wrong direction and has some problems like repeat maps etc. but was nowhere near as bad of a game through and through like MEA was.
I bought DA2 way late when it was on sale for $5. I quite enjoyed it, although it definitely wasn't a proper sequel to origins and I probably would have been more upset if I was expecting that. But the point is, it's just nowhere near as bad as MEA was.
Mind you, that quality and reception gap made me believe that MEA would get little to no support despite DA2 getting dlc. Turned out right.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 29, 2017 15:17:12 GMT
I'll echo that the magnitude of the criticism towards DA2 was nowhere near as bad as MEA, and rightfully so. The game was a step in the wrong direction and has some problems like repeat maps etc. but was nowhere near as bad of a game through and through like MEA was. I bought DA2 way late when it was on sale for $5. I quite enjoyed it, although it definitely wasn't a proper sequel to origins and I probably would have been more upset if I was expecting that. But the point is, it's just nowhere near as bad as MEA was. I was actually relieved to not play the Warden in the next game. Besides, the character can progress to ridiculous levels in Awakening, and really, I was pretty tired of Grey Wardens. It pleased me greatly to see them kinda fall from grace in Inquisition.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 29, 2017 15:17:23 GMT
I posted this on July 12th: Two possible scenarios: 1) The cost to make single player DLC might be too high to warrant its release based on active player numbers only they have. Seeing the incomplete state Andromeda was in at release, I doubt they had much of any DLC in production or ready to go. 2) The revisitation of online ridicule and mockery when they've just introduced Anthem might sway them to sweep Andromeda under the rug and focus on looking forward towards the positives. - I've mentioned the hit DLC would take to their reputation dozens of times. However, that has nothing to do with me paying full price for a 4/10 game when I got my fill for $5. Ah, okay. I think there's a misunderstanding here. You thought I was saying you played the 5 dollar trial. Sorry for the miscommunication. I mean't to say You never played it at all.
I'm glad I didn't. 10 hours was too much for a 4/10 game.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 29, 2017 15:17:30 GMT
OMG, Net Promoter Scores, if I never hear this term again. They hang all over these things at my company, every road map meeting we're spending a chunk of time going over these things. Account executives get bonuses based of what percentage of their clients they get to return these. However, at the end of the day they don't determine whether or not we create or don't create modules for certain products, or whether we continue supporting certain versions. If something isn't selling you don't need a survey to tell you to cut your loses and move on or take your winning and get up from the table. If EA killed DLC for Andromeda it's because the market wasn't there to make if profitable. I agree. EA is deflecting criticism onto their customers. They say " we cancelled DLC because player sentiment was negative" rather than " we cancelled DLC because there's no profit for us". The former masks the latter. It's PR to show EA as attentive and considerate. I must admit it's very slick on their part.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 29, 2017 15:18:58 GMT
Now all of a sudden DA2 is a "different case" and that not all "Bioware games are the same". Funny.... In a way it is. A development cycle of one year and quite probably less budget and lower expectations. How that translates into DLCs being produced as opposed to not being produced is anyone's guess. From an economic standpoint, MEA and DA2 seem to be very different products. I agree and this is what I was trying to preach back in May, June, and July. But all the Jason S/Kotaku deniers still insited on pointing to DA2 as proof that a game with bad reception could still get DLC. Now all of a sudden those same people are now wanting to claim that in fact, using DA2 isnt a fair example/comparison Funny how the argument changes in your to fit a narrative.
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Post by abaris on Aug 29, 2017 15:43:36 GMT
I agree and this is what I was trying to preach back in May, June, and July. But all the Jason S/Kotaku deniers still insited on pointing to DA2 as proof that a game with bad reception could still get DLC. Now all of a sudden those same people are now wanting to claim that in fact, using DA2 isnt a fair example/comparison Funny how the argument changes in your to fit a narrative. That's also why I told these people that raw sales numbers tell them nothing, without knowing the prospects tied to a certain product. DA2, ME2, ME3, DAI and MEA a fundamentally different products that can't by compared using a single variable.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 29, 2017 15:47:09 GMT
Fortunately, you're not in charge and can't force your morals on the rest of us. You're suggesting that if someone expresses an anonymous opinion they should be compelled to make it an onymous opinion, instead. That would "chill" a lot of speech as people would limit themselves to posting positive, agreeable, friendly, fluffy opinions. That's dreadful. Has never stopped me. Hi I'm Glenn Ortman, and I say whatever the fuck I want to on the internet because I say whatever the fuck I want to in real life. Some of you are just gigantic wimps. Says one guy trying to prove himself the most...
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 29, 2017 16:28:44 GMT
So in other words... Thank you! But no one person can take credit for this. It was a group effort. This does frame those feedback surveys in a clearer light - the ones that asked if players would recommend Andromeda to friends. ao you find delight in denying other having fun. good for you. you must be fun at parties. #partypooper
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Post by suikoden on Aug 29, 2017 16:35:34 GMT
Thank you! But no one person can take credit for this. It was a group effort. This does frame those feedback surveys in a clearer light - the ones that asked if players would recommend Andromeda to friends. ao you find delight in denying other having fun. good for you. you must be fun at parties. #partypooper Someone else's opinion on an online forum shouldn't deny you from enjoying something. That's just sad.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 29, 2017 16:45:08 GMT
ao you find delight in denying other having fun. good for you. you must be fun at parties. #partypooper Someone else's opinion on an online forum shouldn't deny you from enjoying something. That's just sad. no, you are sad. I am playing the hell out of my PsVr and reading stuff on a game i liked on a company i still love. You are trying to ruin daily other people's pleasure in Andromeda. You do not care fot this game. it shows. play the old trilogy. I am not typing this with anger mind you. Dlc is not getting released. You won nothing cause you would not play it anyway. it is I who lost. Why do you care then?
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Post by maximusarael020 on Aug 29, 2017 17:03:43 GMT
It's possible that that game was in a different series, had a different reception, came out at a different time, has different numbers, a different development cycle, different issues, etc? Unless all Bioware games are exactly the same? Understanding that games can be different even if they come from the same studio should not be a great leap of logic. Oh give me a break! Prior to the announcement of no DLC many deniers pointed to DA2 as an example of a Bioware game that got bad reception and yet still ended up getting DLC. This was to prove that there was still hope for MEA. Now all of a sudden DA2 is a "different case" and that not all "Bioware games are the same". Funny.... Sorry, friend, I'm fresh out of Kit Kat Bars. Also, I'm not sure where in my profile it says "Speaker for all deniers", so I don't give a f*** what other people said about DA2. What I'm saying, and what is the truth, is the games are different, came out at different times, and suffered different pitfalls. You can use something as an example, but it doesn't mean that the two are the same or that every time something occurs as it does in the example that the result will be the same. Using a game where there was negative backlash but still got DLC as an example is fine. It's saying in this situation a certain outcome still occurred, so the same outcome is possible. However, then saying that "Well why did this game not get DLC when a comparable game did not?" gets the answer that the two games, while being comparable, are not the same. So for MEA, you don't know what might have made it different than DA2 in terms of getting DLC. You don't know if there were different contractual obligations. You don't know if for DA2 DLC was already in development at launch, while it wasn't with MEA. You don't know if the people working on MEA were needed to finish up other EA/Bioware projects, but that wasn't the case for DA2. Basically, "You know nothing, Jon Snow." In the future, don't mistake a comparison for equivalence.
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Post by DoctorFox on Aug 29, 2017 17:22:43 GMT
And why was the game given bad NPS scores by players? Because EA forced Bioware to release the game 5 months early even when they were forewarned that the game was not ready. EA single-handed sabotaged the game's launch because they couldn't keep it in their pants. They wanted it out for the 2016 fiscal year end. As a result it came out as a buggy mess with bad animations. It was still in beta. Fans can't be blamed for that.
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Post by Sondergaard on Aug 29, 2017 17:23:08 GMT
Ah, okay. I think there's a misunderstanding here. You thought I was saying you played the 5 dollar trial. Sorry for the miscommunication. I mean't to say You never played it at all.
I'm glad I didn't. 10 hours was too much for a 4/10 game. You dodged a bullet there.
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