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Post by ozzie on Aug 29, 2017 16:15:49 GMT
People would rather play as Shepard than teeny-bopper Ryder. I wouldn't. I prefer Ryder over Shepard. Ryder is terrible and Shepard is dead, I choose option 3.
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Post by Sondergaard on Aug 29, 2017 17:09:13 GMT
There's no real need to address the Catalyst. Simply not playing Shepard again solves that problem since s/he is the only being in the galaxy to be aware of its existence, and reconstruction of the galaxy's infrastructure would be beyond their lifetime anyhow. Beyond their lifetime? You see the reconstruction at the end of ME3. I'm sure it's not all unicorns and rainbows immediately but but it looked they're making a good start. And I'd rather the Catalyst was annulled from existence. If Shep survives why wouldn't he/she talk about it? Just get rid of it, it was a terrible idea.
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Post by Sondergaard on Aug 29, 2017 17:19:18 GMT
Personally I think this is the only way forward if they want to continue with ME after the MEA debacle. Strip out the catalyst and go straight to Destroy after the Shep/Anderson conversation. It's the most popular ending (85% of completed playthroughs end in it apparently, though don't ask me where I read that) and we have a severely damaged galaxy to rebuild in ME4. Shepard can live and rehabilitate off screen or die and be remembered as a hero. And they could explain the Cerberus coup attempt while they're at it (I think I know the real reason, the coup was originally meant to come after Thessia as Cerberus tried to move the Citadel to Earth/somewhere else themselves). The fix is to give players something that they can already have? If you want ME4 you have to canonize an ending to ME3 and Destroy seems to be the obvious choice. I'm just thinking out loud here,though. Between the ME3 endings and ME:A, I think ME is probably dead. Bioware royally fucked up TWICE. Not sure how ME in any form could come back from this.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 29, 2017 17:28:47 GMT
Remasters are just fan service at best, they don't progress a franchise forward but they can backfire if you do them wrong *caugh halo mcc caugh*. The only reason I can see bioware doing one is quick easy money (but don't expect a gold mine) and to think more on how they want to progress the franchise if they don't have a sequel in mind that they're comfortable with going forward.
That said I'd be all in on a remaster for the X1X but they'd have to outsource it.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 29, 2017 17:30:44 GMT
I wouldn't. I prefer Ryder over Shepard. Ryder is terrible and Shepard is dead, I choose option 3. Conrad verner secretly snuck his way into the initiative, he'll be the new Shepard. ignore his twin from the OT 👌
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 29, 2017 17:31:15 GMT
Why a remaster when the MET is backward compatible? I find it pointless personally. Mass Effect is one part action, one part story. Frostbite delivers so much more than the original trilogy. OH MY GOODNESS. Also, it would need to be Mass Effect 1.1 or something similar to fix all the story line issues and completely avoid the last weird 15 minutes with Starchild and replace it with an ending that doesn't use storyboards like Fallout does. I would love to see it re-mastered in Frostbite. All the old stuff (tactical pausing for single player, paragon-renegade, etc.) while seeing the Frostbite canvas. All the assets (all of them!) are then in place and allows for more flexibility in adding new content later. If I was EA's CEO, that's how I would do it. It would be Mass Effect 1.1 with each title including all the OLD DLC pertinent to each one for $75. If you spend $200 up front... all three titles with 50% coupon for NEW DLC. If I were EA's CEO, Montreal would have slave collars attached pumping out Mass Effect Andromeda DLC right now. That's me. I'm just kidding about the slave collars from Fallout. No... I'd just pay better and keep everyone at their desks because their eager to express their art instead of doing it because it's a job. I'm not idealistic either. Only a sociopath would disagree with me. I'm use mods and would absolutely hate to see ME redone in Frostbite. I'd relent if they did away with their stupid fuck up of making Kaidan not romanceable by male Shep. (For the record, I have learned that in Germany is was released that way, proving that was the original intent.) As for Starchild, I really doubt they'll make that change. They're so in love with Synthesis that they wouldn't want to remove that option. I suspect a lot of people would be just as unhappy with that sort of ending. However, if they did change to a singular ending that at least could pave the way for another game. I just think it's unlikely they'll make that change. If they don't do that, it's pointless.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 29, 2017 17:36:00 GMT
The trilogy still looks damn good on PC in 4k there's absolutely no need. Full controller support, High Res texture packs available if you want, possibility for custom classes with nearly every single ME3 multi-player power working in single-player (besides Snap Freeze, Flamer and Krogan Hammers) with a bit of knowhow. ME3 still has the best multi-player and gameplay in the series Imo. If you want ME3 gameplay, play Mass Effect 3. If the trilogy was remastered with ME3 gameplay in ME1 & ME2 then they would loose a lot of their charm and individuality. I love ME2's crushing insanity difficulty the way it is and ME1 while rough around the edges is the only RPG in the entire series and should be preserved for posterity.If any BioWare game should be remastered with updated visuals, gameplay and gamepad support it's KOTOR. Yes, this. I love the differences with the games. Losing omni-gel in ME1 would be terrible. Suddenly being able to climb on things (other than the rare mountable object) in ME1 would be weird. The versatility of weapons and armor that we lost in ME2 is something I would miss. I get it that not everyone plays on PC and can't use the awesome mods out there but, like you said, ME1 had a charm to it that would be lost if remade to be like ME3. To me, if felt like the characters were growing and learning what worked best. Besides, if they did all that, I'd also want ME2 tied in better with the Reapers. The Collectors were a threat, sure, but they weren't Reaper-level. No, I think it would be too much.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 29, 2017 17:37:51 GMT
Ryder is terrible and Shepard is dead, I choose option 3. Conrad verner secretly snuck his way into the initiative, he'll be the new Shepard. ignore his twin from the OT 👌 But his sister is already there. I don't think Andromeda could handle two of them.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 29, 2017 17:39:51 GMT
There's no real need to address the Catalyst. Simply not playing Shepard again solves that problem since s/he is the only being in the galaxy to be aware of its existence, and reconstruction of the galaxy's infrastructure would be beyond their lifetime anyhow. Beyond their lifetime? You see the reconstruction at the end of ME3. I'm sure it's not all unicorns and rainbows immediately but but it looked they're making a good start. And I'd rather the Catalyst was annulled from existence. If Shep survives why wouldn't he/she talk about it? Just get rid of it, it was a terrible idea. You see the reconstruction of earth and the citadel and some bit of other places, but if we're talking about the actual relay network in its entirety, you're looking at possibly hundreds of years if you account for the time to travel to each relay and repair them. Even then, some systems may be cut off indefinitely if there are no priority worlds charted there. If this is about actively removing the catalyst from the canon, then that's kind of meaningless. The trilogy is intact and that damage has already been done. Any new game, Milky Way or whatever, wouldn't star Shepard anyway. I sure as shit don't want Sheploo intruding on the game just to retroactively erase bits of the old games we don't like. I'd rather just move on and leave the Reaper War as that shitstorm we made it out of.
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Post by Furisco on Aug 29, 2017 18:02:44 GMT
I suggested this not because i want a remaster. I play ME on PC and a remaster wouldn't be any different. I just think it is the best thing to do with the franchise right now because even if i want it we're definitely not getting a new Mass Effect game soon.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 29, 2017 18:40:19 GMT
Sure, but "I wouldn't buy it" is an appropriate response to your topic. Who is this for, exactly? PS3 players who want to throw out their consoles, I guess. Who else?
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 29, 2017 18:50:33 GMT
There's no real need to address the Catalyst. Simply not playing Shepard again solves that problem since s/he is the only being in the galaxy to be aware of its existence, and reconstruction of the galaxy's infrastructure would be beyond their lifetime anyhow. Beyond their lifetime? You see the reconstruction at the end of ME3. I'm sure it's not all unicorns and rainbows immediately but but it looked they're making a good start. And I'd rather the Catalyst was annulled from existence. If Shep survives why wouldn't he/she talk about it? Just get rid of it, it was a terrible idea. What problem does removing the Catalyst actually solve? The silliness of the Reapers is there either way. The Catalyst is a symptom, not the cause. Is it something like the argument that it wasn't so much that the Star Wars prequels were bad films in themselves, but the real problem was that they confronted fans with how dopey Star Wars had always been?
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Post by FluffyCannibal on Aug 29, 2017 18:59:00 GMT
Sure, but "I wouldn't buy it" is an appropriate response to your topic. Who is this for, exactly? PS3 players who want to throw out their consoles, I guess. Who else? I personally would like a remaster because I hate the combat and AI systems from the first two games, which really puts me off of replaying them. Every so often I'll hype myself up, telling myself that I'll do a whole OT replay and I'll make these choices and romance this squadmate...and then I open the case and all of the horrific memories of OP biotic enemies, and no sprint ( really BioWare?), and for-Makers-sake-stick-to-cover-or-you're-all-going-to-die, and WHY THE FUCK ARE MY SQUADMATES CONSTANTLY STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, THIS IS WHY YOU GET LEFT ON VIRMIRE ASHLEY!!!!1!111!! and suddenly I don't want to play ME1 & 2 any more and just skip straight to the third one...for my 492 nd playthrough.
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Post by Furisco on Aug 29, 2017 19:03:42 GMT
Sure, but "I wouldn't buy it" is an appropriate response to your topic. Who is this for, exactly? PS3 players who want to throw out their consoles, I guess. Who else? You underestimate the number of people who buy ports or remasters.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 29, 2017 19:16:42 GMT
Perhaps. Anyone here have real research data on the topic?
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 29, 2017 19:41:56 GMT
Perhaps. Anyone here have real research data on the topic? All you'd need to do is compare a remaster games sales to its original version. Most tend to get about 1/4 the sales of its original. if they did the entire OT I'd estimate about 1-1.5 million in sales.
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Post by rolenka on Aug 29, 2017 19:43:04 GMT
I can't imagine a stronger signal that the IP is dead than a remaster of the trilogy. It would be perceived as EA giving up on making a good sequel to the series and milking it one last time for whatever cash it has left.
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Post by Furisco on Aug 29, 2017 19:52:57 GMT
Perhaps. Anyone here have real research data on the topic? Last month Capcom said that their port of Resident Evil 6 for Xbox one and PS4 sold over a million copies and the only thing they did was to bring the PC version to the new consoles.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 29, 2017 19:58:35 GMT
Id play it.
For the simple reason of beING able to stream the games with a remastered look.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 29, 2017 20:05:54 GMT
Some fans would enjoy it, but I think the first game at the very least would need to be more that just reamastered to stand up to scrutiny. With the lack of enthusiasm for the IP at the moment, it would be better to let it rest a while. If done badly a Remaster could make it all worse. Better to put effort into other IPs for now. Anthem, though not my cup of tea, needs to do well so it needs to be good. As does DA4. If and when ME makes a return, it needs to be something almost flawless, and new enough to excite the fan base.
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Post by mordingrimes on Aug 29, 2017 20:25:23 GMT
Anyone thinking it would not sell extremely well is having a laugh, it would also bring back some credibility to the series and future installment after it was severely damaged by the disaster that was Andromeda.
Either way it is very weird that a company that is known to only care about the money, not to cash in on something that will give them that.
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Post by Mir Aven on Aug 29, 2017 20:45:33 GMT
It's amazing how much the Synthesis ending simply being an option has had an impact on the Mass Effect franchise as a whole.
Destroy/Control are easy to continue from with a few dialogue differences between them - getting away from dealing with Synthesis is why we went to Andromeda.I said it in the thread on how to continue the franchise, but if MEA2 isn't an option, my first choice would definitely be handwave ME3's ending and just continue on in the Milky Way with a vague 'Shepard beat the Reapers 50 years ago' backstory. Is preserving the validity of the 'space magic turns everyone in the galaxy into some interconnected techno-organic potentially-hivemind singularity without their consent' really that important anymore? I still can't believe that Bioware considered Synthesis to be the "very best", perfect ending.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 29, 2017 20:48:15 GMT
Perhaps. Anyone here have real research data on the topic? Last month Capcom said that their port of Resident Evil 6 for Xbox one and PS4 sold over a million copies and the only thing they did was to bring the PC version to the new consoles. How much on XBone? This still sounds like just a PS4 issue.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 29, 2017 20:49:32 GMT
Anyone thinking it would not sell extremely well is having a laugh, it would also bring back some credibility to the series and future installment after it was severely damaged by the disaster that was Andromeda. Either way it is very weird that a company that is known to only care about the money, not to cash in on something that will give them that. "Extremely well". meaning about 1/4 of trilogy sales?
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Post by SofNascimento on Aug 29, 2017 21:17:12 GMT
Yes, it could.
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