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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 3, 2017 0:50:45 GMT
Only on Xbox One tho. Update the graphics, upgrade the framerate and add a few new things and people would buy that in a heartbeat. ME is my favorite IP of all time, but I wouldn't buy it. As long as I can play my existing copies, I'm not too worried about getting a remaster. I think they should let ME be, for a while. There's blood in the water whenever BioWare releases anything, these days. I don't want to see ME get shredded anymore than it has been by its "fans". They can come back to it once the negativity and disappointment has cooled. Agreed as long as the copies I have of the games wor kI'l continue t ouse those I'm not really interested in a remaster.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 13:37:20 GMT
Why a remaster when the MET is backward compatible? I find it pointless personally. Because I played the OT on an Xbox 360 which has since died and I now have a PS4. I miss the OT. And now that they've fucked up the new iteration, a remaster is a great way to keep Mass Effect alive. The ME Trilogy is comprised of games that deserve a remaster. For the diehards as well as for new players to be able to experience it. God Forbid Andromeda be new players' introduction to Mass Effect.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 3, 2017 15:09:39 GMT
It is quite literally "too soon".
I think I've said it, but a true remaster would be using UE4. I would be interested in that, but that will never happen as long as BioWare is owned by EA.
A remake in FB2/3 whatever it is, would be a remake. So much work for so little gain. I cannot imagine any but the hardest hardcore fans buying it, and that makes zero financial sense. There are not enough of you that love Mass Effect AND this engine. That may be opinion, but I think the numbers would bare that out.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 3, 2017 15:50:41 GMT
And the point of the proposal isn't to sell to fans anyway, it's to sell to people who aren't fans in hopes of promoting the brand.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 3, 2017 16:19:01 GMT
And the point of the proposal isn't to sell to fans anyway, it's to sell to people who aren't fans in hopes of promoting the brand. Fair enough, is that a convincing marketing strategy though? How does this get marketed? If it is a straight up remake, without anything added fixed or tweaked, is hard for me to fathom as a winner. Maybe it is all passing me by, but I don't see amazing compelling reasons for what would be a grand reskin. Sure, the gunplay in ME1 is weak, but it also is a little innovative and was BioWare stretching out a little. I appreciated that, and still do I guess as I enjoy the gameplay still in ME1. Sure, DAI looked amazing, and MEA has some beautiful vistas that are the best the games have offered so far. In truth, pretty things are not why I play these games, and are considered a bonus for me when used well. When not used well (DAI invisible arbitrary barriers) it becomes passe or even annoying. It is a pipe dream. I am all for pipe dreams, but this is definitely one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 17:13:26 GMT
The preceding arguments are not without merit, but whatever. I'm the "hardest core fan" spoken of earlier. I'd buy it.
And new players would as well. Everyone even vaguely connected to the gaming world has heard of the OT. Playing it might be a challenge for them, given that ME1 looks quite dated now. If there were a better option, why wouldn't new players jump on board? A chance to play a legendary game franchise and see what it's all about without being relegated to the bullshit that was Andromeda?
No brainer.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 3, 2017 17:30:57 GMT
And the point of the proposal isn't to sell to fans anyway, it's to sell to people who aren't fans in hopes of promoting the brand. Fair enough, is that a convincing marketing strategy though? How does this get marketed? If it is a straight up remake, without anything added fixed or tweaked, is hard for me to fathom as a winner. Maybe it is all passing me by, but I don't see amazing compelling reasons for what would be a grand reskin. Sure, the gunplay in ME1 is weak, but it also is a little innovative and was BioWare stretching out a little. I appreciated that, and still do I guess as I enjoy the gameplay still in ME1. Sure, DAI looked amazing, and MEA has some beautiful vistas that are the best the games have offered so far. In truth, pretty things are not why I play these games, and are considered a bonus for me when used well. When not used well (DAI invisible arbitrary barriers) it becomes passe or even annoying. It is a pipe dream. I am all for pipe dreams, but this is definitely one of them. I'm with you, but you and I -- and pretty much anyone else on this board -- aren't really the targets in the first place. A few of us will get something from it, but we're not the point. Honestly, I'd be more into a DA:O remaster.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 3, 2017 17:32:46 GMT
The preceding arguments are not without merit, but whatever. I'm the "hardest core fan" spoken of earlier. I'd buy it. And new players would as well. Everyone even vaguely connected to the gaming world has heard of the OT. Playing it might be a challenge for them, given that ME1 looks quite dated now. If there were a better option, why wouldn't new players jump on board? A chance to play a legendary game franchise and see what it's all about without being relegated to the bullshit that was Andromeda? No brainer. OK, this is a real argument. But are there really a lot of players right now -- or, realistically, two years from now -- who would have played ME if only it was current gen, but just won't if it isn't? Or has just about everyone who cares about ME already played the trilogy?
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 3, 2017 18:42:28 GMT
I think a trilogy remaster would be a great idea. Polish up the graphics, remind people of how great Shepard's story was then add in a proper ending for ME3 that would tie into a ME4 continuation sequel. I'm sure Casey Hudson would relish the chance to go back and write the ending ME3 could have had if EA hadn't rushed him. So not a remaster then, but a re-write. Something I'd never ask for.
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Post by derrame on Sept 4, 2017 3:06:22 GMT
No. We need new adventures, new characters, new planets
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 4, 2017 4:27:23 GMT
I really doubt it would accomplish what you think.
The first is that there is still a lot of people that think remakes/remasters are a cash grab and since this is EA and BioWare I can imagine people already have pitchforks and torches lined up for this product. The next problem is that not everyone is going to buy a redo of the MET the biggest market would be PS4 owners since they don't have it, but then would sales cover the development cost of updating three games. Another concern I have is the internet, I can just imagine the essays about how "my one little insignificant change would have made everything so much better, but EA is only wants to milk us for more money". I think the biggest hurdle would be cost, most remasters of more recent games seem to retail for about $40, and I could see each individual game retailing for that much so it would wind up being $120 for all three games.
The remakes and remasters that I see getting the most support are ones that extremely old going back to the SNES/Genesis era right now, the more modern ones get a lot of flak for being easy cash grabs. I will always say no to something like this until the fanatic base calms down to the point that I think the game would have a chance of not being ripped apart for any flaw imagined or real.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 4, 2017 5:50:33 GMT
I really doubt it would accomplish what you think. The first is that there is still a lot of people that think remakes/remasters are a cash grab and since this is EA and BioWare I can imagine people already have pitchforks and torches lined up for this product. The next problem is that not everyone is going to buy a redo of the MET the biggest market would be PS4 owners since they don't have it, but then would sales cover the development cost of updating three games. Another concern I have is the internet, I can just imagine the essays about how "my one little insignificant change would have made everything so much better, but EA is only wants to milk us for more money". I think the biggest hurdle would be cost, most remasters of more recent games seem to retail for about $40, and I could see each individual game retailing for that much so it would wind up being $120 for all three games. The remakes and remasters that I see getting the most support are ones that extremely old going back to the SNES/Genesis era right now, the more modern ones get a lot of flak for being easy cash grabs. I will always say no to something like this until the fanatic base calms down to the point that I think the game would have a chance of not being ripped apart for any flaw imagined or real. Honestly, I'd much rather just be able to get Origins and DA2 on my PS4.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 4, 2017 7:27:57 GMT
I really doubt it would accomplish what you think. The first is that there is still a lot of people that think remakes/remasters are a cash grab and since this is EA and BioWare I can imagine people already have pitchforks and torches lined up for this product. The next problem is that not everyone is going to buy a redo of the MET the biggest market would be PS4 owners since they don't have it, but then would sales cover the development cost of updating three games. Another concern I have is the internet, I can just imagine the essays about how "my one little insignificant change would have made everything so much better, but EA is only wants to milk us for more money". I think the biggest hurdle would be cost, most remasters of more recent games seem to retail for about $40, and I could see each individual game retailing for that much so it would wind up being $120 for all three games. The remakes and remasters that I see getting the most support are ones that extremely old going back to the SNES/Genesis era right now, the more modern ones get a lot of flak for being easy cash grabs. I will always say no to something like this until the fanatic base calms down to the point that I think the game would have a chance of not being ripped apart for any flaw imagined or real. Honestly, I'd much rather just be able to get Origins and DA2 on my PS4. Interesting and I think those would be received better, I just wonder what condition Origins would be in. I play on the PC and Origins gives me trouble with Windows 10 due to it being designed for Windows Vista and since the console version was a last minute port and it was not designed for a console I could see it being a technical can of worms.
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Post by Hrulj on Sept 4, 2017 10:26:40 GMT
Why would anyone want remaster where all we get is the same thing we've got already, except in newer graphics that suck. Engine used by Bioware for DAI and MEA plain and simple sucks. Characters look glossy, plastic and ugly. Redo the engine. Then go back to ME1, expand on it's plot, revise the entire trilogy by reworking the plot, and then keep going for ME4 that continues on it. Strength of ME franchise is the recuring character. Everyone wanted Shepard. No one wanted kiddy Ryder.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 4, 2017 10:54:50 GMT
Why would anyone want remaster where all we get is the same thing we've got already, except in newer graphics that suck. Engine used by Bioware for DAI and MEA plain and simple sucks. Characters look glossy, plastic and ugly. Redo the engine. Then go back to ME1, expand on it's plot, revise the entire trilogy by reworking the plot, and then keep going for ME4 that continues on it. Strength of ME franchise is the recuring character. Everyone wanted Shepard. No one wanted kiddy Ryder. They can't just redo the engine, because the engine is owned by EA and Dice and all EA games must use Frostbite.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 4, 2017 11:09:47 GMT
Honestly, I'd much rather just be able to get Origins and DA2 on my PS4. I wouldn't complain if that were to happen. I like both games.
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Post by mannyray on Sept 4, 2017 11:44:59 GMT
I think a trilogy remaster would be a great idea. Polish up the graphics, remind people of how great Shepard's story was then add in a proper ending for ME3 that would tie into a ME4 continuation sequel. I'm sure Casey Hudson would relish the chance to go back and write the ending ME3 could have had if EA hadn't rushed him. and I'll enjoy the rage, memes, trolling and anguish again and again. That's what a sequel to the ME trilogy will bring. So many people complain about bad writing and only come up with worse writing to replace it. There will always be people who bought AC/DC's Back in Black album and to this day always listen to it like it's the first time.
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Post by Hrulj on Sept 4, 2017 13:43:48 GMT
Why would anyone want remaster where all we get is the same thing we've got already, except in newer graphics that suck. Engine used by Bioware for DAI and MEA plain and simple sucks. Characters look glossy, plastic and ugly. Redo the engine. Then go back to ME1, expand on it's plot, revise the entire trilogy by reworking the plot, and then keep going for ME4 that continues on it. Strength of ME franchise is the recuring character. Everyone wanted Shepard. No one wanted kiddy Ryder. They can't just redo the engine, because the engine is owned by EA and Dice and all EA games must use Frostbite. Which loops back to - why then would I want a remake into something worse?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 15:54:52 GMT
Then go back to ME1, expand on it's plot, revise the entire trilogy by reworking the plot, and then keep going for ME4 that continues on it. That's not a remaster. It's a reimagining. Remastering only involves making new HD textures, effects, and cinematics. It does not involve gutting or revising the entire plot. Plot and writing stay the same. Only the visual elements are affected by a remaster.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 5, 2017 15:59:18 GMT
Then go back to ME1, expand on it's plot, revise the entire trilogy by reworking the plot, and then keep going for ME4 that continues on it. That's not a remaster. It's a reimagining. Remastering only involves making new HD textures, effects, and cinematics. It does not involve gutting or revising the entire plot. Plot and writing stay the same. Only the visual elements are affected by a remaster. Pretty much. A trilogy release would require major reworking of ME3 and probably ME2 as well just to make the overarching story make sense. Then there's the ending fiasco, the character assassinations...there's a reason the IP is radioactive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 6:14:27 GMT
Never going to happen. You'll get a graphical update, that's it. People have the right to disagree what they did, but you really can't ask them to go back and rewrite huge amounts of their own story (game and a half or more) to have it make sense for you. That is a completely unreasonable expectation or request.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 7, 2017 17:23:49 GMT
Never going to happen. You'll get a graphical update, that's it. People have the right to disagree what they did, but you really can't ask them to go back and rewrite huge amounts of their own story (game and a half or more) to have it make sense for you. That is a completely unreasonable expectation or request. I've never understood how people expect the devs to write a game tailored to their tastes. Don't like it? Don't play it. See? Simple.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 7, 2017 19:12:26 GMT
Is it worth pointing out that almost nothing needs to be changed to make Andromedas plot workable...that it already is?
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Post by mannyray on Sept 7, 2017 19:54:22 GMT
Is it worth pointing out that almost nothing needs to be changed to make Andromedas plot workable...that it already is? Plotholes aside, they at least do have a solid premise to make a sequel and if they decide any open world elements trigger the ADD crowd they can make another pedestrian hallway shooter and hopefully the story will be up to snuff to cover up the bland gameplay, like ME2 did. And yes, that includes bringing back Ryder. I can see whiteknuckled fists unclenching to type now...
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