Why do people here act like animations....

Of course you would be on that bandwagon as well.

Of course you would be on that bandwagon as well.

I don't follow -- are you saying that the series was always worse than the books, or that it's worse than the books which haven't been published yet?

The first makes sense, if you really want to go there.. I don't see how we can have evidence for the second., It's like that dopey argument that Drew Karpyshyn would have somehow written a better ending for ME3 than what we got.

....and bugs were the only things wrong with the game? This has been a theme way before no dlc was confirmed. A number of people here (and I am sure there are many others outside of BSN) acts like if MEA was launched in the v1.10 state, then there would be little criticism of the game.

To me that is just simply being in denial that the overall quality of MEA was NOT on par with what you'd expect from Bioware. Yes, bugs and animations were the most visible and thus the easiest to make videos, gifs, and memes about, but those were NOT the only things wrong with MEA. Myself and many people had a problem with:

- Story

- Story pacing/narrative

- Uninteresting characters (watch part 3 of Boss Attacks video)

- Dull open world

- Bad side quest design

- Cant control squadmates combat abilities

- Ryder not as interesting and couldnt roleplay as Ryder the same way you could with all other Bioware heros. (watch part 3 of Boss Attacks video)

- Villain

- Over use of jokes/humor in serious situations

- The Asari clone army

- Only 2 Andromeda races vs 5 MW races. Andromeda should have felt more alien.

- And much more that I know I am probably forgetting about

Point is, MEA had a lot of problems than just animations and even in 1.10, all of the above problems still exist. But yet some people refuse to see that. They want to believe that:

#1 Nothing wad wrong with the launch outside of Bioware haters yelling and making a big deal about animations.

#2 By 1.10, all of the problems with MEA were fixed and people should give the game another chance.

I accept that for many people MEA was a great experience and not much wad wrong with the game. I can accept that. However, they need to accept that for many others, outside of animations, the game was not fun and not the quality expected from Bioware. No patches could have fixed that.

So I say again, for the people that didnt enjoy MEA, bugs and animations were one thing but there were a slew of other non-patchable problems with the game. Many of the reviews even mentioned this. So why is there still people claiming that 1.10 fixed everything?

The show was better when it had books to draw from - now that that's gone, its weaker. Characters acting uncharacteristicly, plot points that shouldn't be possible based on time/space, etc

Agreed, colfoley has to be the biggest one. 

While I think he gives the game too much credits, he's a good one around here. There are people that can be found in this thread, that are legit offended if point out a single flaw.

- Story-- There were several plots going on at once. Can you be more specific?

- Uninteresting characters: Kallo was excellent The drack/Kesh dynamic was interesting, Jaal was interesting (outside of cutscenes), but yeah, they seemed to be "themed" characters rather than people. I agree.

- Dull open world- Open Worlds can only be so interesting in a video game.

- Bad side quest design-- Can you be more specific? I found that I actually wanted to do most of them, especially on Voeld.

- Cant control squadmates combat abilities-- Maybe Bioware watched players like me NEVER control their abilties in the first place. Programable AI of DAO and DA2 is as much controlling as I ever want to do- Micromanage ONCE and forget it. And sadly, it's gone forever.

- Ryder not as interesting/couldnt roleplay: Agree about lack of role play. On the fence about "not as interesting." I could agree with "not as badass."

- Villain -- I totally hated the Archon. What was wrong with the villain? I wanted to smash him. Isn't that the Villain's job? Job accomplished.

- Over use of jokes/humor in serious situations: I can only think of 2-3 times where there was inappropriate hilarity. I think at least one of them was optional.

The Asari clone army- I could not give a fuck about this. I was more annoyed by another human having my hairstyle than I ever will be about Asari's looking alike. Or the fact that all of the Turian's look either bone white or someone had vomited green bile all over them. Salarian's and most Krogan looked alike too, but there is little or no urge to fuck them, so people aren't looking as closely.

- Only 2 Andromeda races vs 5 MW races.- Yeah, I missed me some Drell and Quarians, but we got an entire new race from scratch (technically, new engine, EVERYTHING was from scratch)

I ENJOYED MYSELF. I did not expect an epic sonnet, poetry, something life changing. RYDER IS NOT SHEPARD. And the sooner you stop expecting her/him to be Shepard, the sooner you can pluck out the silver linings of a solid game.

*drops mic*

- Story-- There were several plots going on at once. Can you be more specific?

- Uninteresting characters: Kallo was excellent The drack/Kesh dynamic was interesting, Jaal was interesting (outside of cutscenes), but yeah, they seemed to be "themed" characters rather than people. I agree.

- Dull open world- Open Worlds can only be so interesting in a video game. Have you tried looking outside your window lately?

- Bad side quest design-- Can you be more specific? I found that I actually wanted to do most of them, especially on Voeld.

- Cant control squadmates combat abilities-- Maybe Bioware watched players like me NEVER control their abilties in the first place. Programable AI of DAO and DA2 is as much controlling as I ever want to do- Micromanage ONCE and forget it. And sadly, it's gone forever.

- Ryder not as interesting/couldnt roleplay: Agree about lack of role play. On the fence about "not as interesting." I could agree with "not as badass."

- Villain -- I totally hated the Archon. What was wrong with the villain? I wanted to smash him. Isn't that the Villain's job? Job accomplished.

- Over use of jokes/humor in serious situations: I can only think of 2-3 times where there was inappropriate hilarity. I think at least one of them was optional.

The Asari clone army- I could not give a fuck about this. I was more annoyed by another human having my hairstyle than I ever will be about Asari's looking alike. Or the fact that all of the Turian's look either bone white or someone had vomited green bile all over them. Salarian's and most Krogan looked alike too, but there is little or no urge to fuck them, so people aren't looking as closely.

- Only 2 Andromeda races vs 5 MW races. - Yeah, I missed me some Drell and Quarians, but we got an entire new race from scratch (technically, new engine, EVERYTHING was from scratch)

I ENJOYED MYSELF. I did not expect an epic sonnet, poetry, something life changing. RYDER IS NOT SHEPARD. And the sooner you stop expecting her/him to be Shepard, the sooner you can pluck out the silver linings of a solid game.

*drops mic*

- Dull open world- Open Worlds can only be so interesting in a video game. Have you tried looking outside your window lately?

- Bad side quest design-- Can you be more specific? I found that I actually wanted to do most of them, especially on Voeld.

- Cant control squadmates combat abilities-- Maybe Bioware watched players like me NEVER control their abilties in the first place. Programable AI of DAO and DA2 is as much controlling as I ever want to do- Micromanage ONCE and forget it. And sadly, it's gone forever.

- Ryder not as interesting/couldnt roleplay: Agree about lack of role play. On the fence about "not as interesting." I could agree with "not as badass."

- Villain -- I totally hated the Archon. What was wrong with the villain? I wanted to smash him. Isn't that the Villain's job? Job accomplished.

- Over use of jokes/humor in serious situations: I can only think of 2-3 times where there was inappropriate hilarity. I think at least one of them was optional.

The Asari clone army- I could not give a fuck about this. I was more annoyed by another human having my hairstyle than I ever will be about Asari's looking alike. Or the fact that all of the Turian's look either bone white or someone had vomited green bile all over them. Salarian's and most Krogan looked alike too, but there is little or no urge to fuck them, so people aren't looking as closely.

- Only 2 Andromeda races vs 5 MW races. - Yeah, I missed me some Drell and Quarians, but we got an entire new race from scratch (technically, new engine, EVERYTHING was from scratch)

I ENJOYED MYSELF. I did not expect an epic sonnet, poetry, something life changing. RYDER IS NOT SHEPARD. And the sooner you stop expecting her/him to be Shepard, the sooner you can pluck out the silver linings of a solid game.

*drops mic*

Good opinion and I will not counter because that isnt what this thread is about.

So what are your thoughts about animations being the only thing people disliked about MEA?