Why do people here act like animations....

river82

It's not a cop out when I don't like open worlds. Period. The closest was HZD (in my eyes) and even that had distinct boundaries that told you you couldn't go any farther. Additionally, it came out AFTER MEA. Additionally x 2, there is no roleplaying, romance, and a few limited companions. It's just a different game with a different focus. Yay, the open world is the best! Guess what, everything that makes me replay a game suffered as a result! Where is the win in that? ( I throughly loved the game, but it only has one more play in it for me. DAI is on PT 5.)

But I don't much enjoy debating the fuzzy definitions of what makes an open world truly open and how much video game cubic space must be filled with NPCs saying 1-3 lines of dialogue to be "truly immersive". I immerse in a good story, and most of the good stories I've encountered in my life have been BOOKS and books are LINEAR and there aren't characters in them JUST TO BE THERE and be this buzz word "immersive." Everything had a point, every person had a point, every place had a point. All the dialogue lines wasted on these background NPCs could have been used to make my companions have more to say, do, and become full fleshed characters.

I've tried and failed to play a fallout game because it couldn't make me give a shit.

I left 13 tasks unfinished for being a bland fetch quest. I actually did do two fetch quests(something on Hvarl, ugh, and the plant samples, because it amused me). All the rest of the quests I did built the world for me. "The Lost Song" ? Was memorable, even if it was "go here, shoot , go here, shoot" and one conversation at the end. The little Angaran Cult member who didn't want to die. (Voeld was just great) I have numbers. You have a video you didn't even make on youtube. Write your own opinions with your own numbers. If you're going to debate, don't be lazy about it.

This isnt a debate or thesis defense. This is an internet forum where we share our ideas and opinions. If one wants to reference another person that better explains their viewpoint, why does that matter?

Especially with Boss Attack, someone who actually gives constructive criticism to the game better than myself and many others who dislikes the game.

Again, as long as the idea or opinion is being conveyed, why does it matter

Then I have a funny feeling you'll be talking mostly about the combat

Ahh,a glimpse into the future where college debate teams point and counterpoint by showing YouTube videos to each other.

Oh, is is your college an online forum? What kind of credential do you get for that?

While I don't think there's anything wrong with using a YouTube video as a source of information or to link it because it makes better arguments than one can come up with themselves, I do very much appreciate it when someone paraphrases they main points so I know what to expect in the video.

I super hate threads that are started with a video with no explanation. At least say "In this video, Smitherby discusses the issues with the open world in MEA by comparing it to Fallout 4, which has stuff going on in the whole world instead of just small hubs or outposts, making it feel lived-in."
Just saying "watch this video. It talks about characters" isn't wrong, but it's very unlikely I'll care enough to watch it.

Anyway, like I've said, I don't really know of anyone here who thinks the game was perfect besides animations issues and glitches, and it assuredly has other issues. I think the main question is really how would sales, perception, and ongoing support have changed if the game launched at v1.10

Is any one of us enough of an expert on such matters to reliably give an opinion anyone would respect?

I think instead of hate, people would just have gone "meh". Instead of a dramatic lava bath, lukewarm. "missing the spark of the OT" I could have imagined them saying.

I think the outcome of no DLC would have been the same. But none of the remaining "plot points" needed a dLC. The Primus, and the bigger Anti Jaardan threat, can only be handled in something the size of... MEA2.

Your assumption is that "content" equates to "words", and that's actually wrong. 

Probably not, but doling out opinions no one respects is a BSN specialty.  

I read faster than anyone can speak. It's called speed reading. 

Even by the standards of this board, that's an idiotic argument

Wow... you really aren't into the whole presenting-a-coherent-argument thing, I see.

You sure you can't at least try?