Juggernaut First Impressions

He's amazingly durable, yes, but you have to at least be doing damage to get a large share of his DR, and getting kills for invulnerability. An incompetent or sloppy player can absolutely die. We are not a representative sample.

People seem to have forgotten how wacky and noob-friendly ME3 got with late-cycle characters, and even some as early as Earth.


In ME3:

The two jetpack turians had grenade Ops Packs, one of the best dodges, a staggering melee, and either powerful nades or cloak, respectively;

Huntress could literally cloak, Dark Channel, cloak and hide while the cloak-boosted DoT melted shit (not really practical on Plat, but made Gold stupidly easy);

Edibot had grenade fucking medigels, shotgun-boosting cloak, and wallhax Snap Cheese; and

Juggernaut had a bottomless shield pool, DR from Siege Pulse, fucking sync immunity, and a shield-draining melee that would literally allow you to stand in the open while getting shot by multiple enemies on Plat. Noobs flocked to it in droves and were essentially dead weight; they'd sink some aggro, but do no damage whatsoever.


Those are just the ones that were OP specifically with regard to survivability, and I'm probably forgetting a few; there were others that were highly offensively OP.

A small sample:

Fury could teleport away from danger and could detonate literally every second and a half;

Destroyer made mediocre weapons excellent and OP weapons ludicrous (think he had DR too, but don't remember for sure);

Collector had the gigamurderball and cooldown-less BEs (from bees);

QME could lock down an area by chaining tech bursts and fire explosions essentially indefinitely (until you ran out of Arc Nades); and

QMI had cloak-boosted Arc Nades.

Just to add to poultrymancer's comment, I personally really enjoyed playing edibot, shoryuken punching everything... without needing any boosters on platinum. Gawd, that repair matrix was such a "win" button. But I never liked playing juggie... found it too slow and boring.

I don't have the new juggie yet, but he might be what I had hoped for - a tank that doesn't move like a sloth. Might not be the most exciting toon to play, but adds diversity to platinum. Being able to draw aggro (and survive) should make other classes more viable too. We finally have a front-line fighter to go with the clerics, rogues and mages!

You're forgetting about the Talon Merc's Cain Mines that could literally wipe out spawns on Platinum.

He is unfortunately.

I'll probably be playing some ME3 this weekend. One of my MEA friends is just getting started on it.

Feel free to toss me an invite.

FYI, you can also pay $5 for EA access, download ME2, ME3 and all of the DLC for both on XB1-back compat for no additional fee, then cancel.

I appreciate that, but I'm actually away this weekend and next week I'm moving on to D2. Otherwise I would take you up on that offer.

While we're at it, let's just go ahead and replace Snap Freeze with Turret and his Def Passive with a sack of diapers and dirty needles.

He's a weird one. Obsessed with "defeating" other players with the HSent.

Well, I'm being all contrary like I like to be (anybody from old BSN will know about my garden of blasphemous builds), so I've been experimenting with a movement speed spec on him, still levelling up, but I have the mobilty upgrade in Fortify to reduce the penalty, and the max move speed bonus increase in remnant armour, which gives a net positive movement speed at max, also only tend to activate fortify when things get hairy. He's actually pretty agile like this, though I am giving up a noticable amount of DR, will report back later when I've levelled him up more (He's still Rank I for me, too, so I need the levels pretty bad).

I've got him at XX but he's still L10. Started building him leaving Apex Training at 1: I definitely agree he doesn't need it on Gold and below. Looking forward to getting him to 20 and trying Platinum with this build...

At first glance, I think you build is EXACTLY what I had planned to do. And yeah, I'm using Fortify more and more since I got the mobility upgrade to it, but haven't gotten the points to add Shield Feedback yet, but I will.

Still not decided on weapons, I think I run Rozerad (I), because my manifest pretty much sucks in general, and my best two weapons are Equalizer and Rozerad, both at I, but at least I have those.

Best of all, I'm happy to see that I'm not the only contrary one around