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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 3, 2017 4:52:40 GMT
You only want to play Ryder, as I said. You could not care less about much else even if a future ME game is the GOAT. All you have in that comment is speculation and raw emotion, friend. But what if a future game ended up being the GOAT and kept Ryder? The people who avoid the game strictly for that reason wouldn't be any better.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 3, 2017 5:11:10 GMT
no. You read wrong. I half wonder if it was deliberate. I'm saying that since MEA 'failed' bioware will likely go back to the safe, and the tried and true instead of continuing to experiment and innovate. And since that means going back to something that, in some ways,i consider inferior...just not sure I'd be interested. Coupled that with an ME game that likely won't be a direct sequel to Andromeda ill likely view such a game as a betrayal unless it can meet MEAs high standards. And I'm.only.as obsessed with Ryder as most.people seem to be with Shepard. You only want to play Ryder, as I said. You could not care less about much else even if a future ME game is the GOAT. All you have in that comment is speculation and raw emotion, friend. >MEA >"high standards" Okay, colfoley hey if the next ME game is my personal GOAT with or without Ryder I'll be happy to eat crow and enjoy the hell out of it. I will probably buy the next ME game no matter what. But without Ryder I'll be skeptical and adopt a wait and see attitude. WITH Ryder? Instant pre order.
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Post by Qolx on Sept 3, 2017 6:23:15 GMT
You only want to play Ryder, as I said. You could not care less about much else even if a future ME game is the GOAT. All you have in that comment is speculation and raw emotion, friend. But what if a future game ended up being the GOAT and kept Ryder? The people who avoid the game strictly for that reason wouldn't be any better. I'm fine with that as long as the OT and its characters remain insulated from the Andro garbage dump.
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Post by The Twilight God on Sept 3, 2017 9:13:30 GMT
They've been irking people then, continue to irk people now and they will irk people in the future. So what? Be irked.
If you chose Control, Synthesis or Surrender and think there is any scenario where the story continues without completely dismissing the premise of those endings you wouldn't be intelligent enough to tie your own shoes, much less install a game or work a keyboard or controller to even play the game in the first place. Those endings are objectively stupid and nonsensical at face value to the point Bioware should have apologized and stated on the record that they are non-canon like the ME2 ending where Shepard dies.
But people chose those endings for reasons of their own. The endings were there to end the MET I don't think they should canonize an ending just so there could be an ME3 sequel. That's like saying they shouldn't canonize Shepard surviving the suicide mission just so they could make ME3.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 3, 2017 9:20:20 GMT
But people chose those endings for reasons of their own. The endings were there to end the MET I don't think they should canonize an ending just so there could be an ME3 sequel. That's like saying they shouldn't canonize Shepard surviving the suicide mission just so they could make ME3. But ME2's Everyone-Dies ending is basically just an elaborate game over.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 3, 2017 11:24:03 GMT
Still waiting on smilesja to explain why would EA put time, money, and resources into MEA if they knew it would have the plug pulled in order to support Anthem with time, money, and resources. That logic doesnt make sense, but people here who cannot and will not accept that MEA was a failure, it is logic to them because it fits a narrative that MEA didnt fail but was actually a success.
So yeah, if EA knew that the endstate was to focus on Anthem....why the hell would EA publish MEA in the first place if they knew they wouldnt support it with SP DLC cause they needed the time, money, and resources for Anthem?
Especially considering that EVERY game since ME1 from Bioware got SP DLC.
Finally, EA has allowed Bioware to focus on Mass Effect before while working on bigger projects simultaneously. Remember SWTOR? That had a big budget of ~$200 million which was one of the most expensive videogames ever made at the time (including marketing cost). So why did ME and DA games at the time still recieved SP DLC even during SWTORs development but MEA couldnt during Anthem's?
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2017 11:28:18 GMT
But what if a future game ended up being the GOAT and kept Ryder? The people who avoid the game strictly for that reason wouldn't be any better. If it ends up being good, I will probably buy the game, if I hadn't already. But that would be after I've watched gameplay videos to see if it is worth buying
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2017 11:31:38 GMT
hey if the next ME game is my personal GOAT with or without Ryder I'll be happy to eat crow and enjoy the hell out of it. I will probably buy the next ME game no matter what. But without Ryder I'll be skeptical and adopt a wait and see attitude. WITH Ryder? Instant pre order. You're a Miranda fan? Would you buy an ME3 sequel if Miranda was a squadmate especially if the story was average or better than average?
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Post by abaris on Sept 3, 2017 11:56:49 GMT
If it ends up being good, I will probably buy the game, if I hadn't already. But that would be after I've watched gameplay videos to see if it is worth buying Gameplay only tells you that much. I daresay, MEA didn't fail in the gameplay department. That has been executed pretty well. For me it utterly failed in the companion department and provided a rather dull narrative with a lead I couldn't immerse myself in. But I think that's purely academic anyway. In the foreseeable future there won't be another ME game. Quite probably the franchise has indeed been put on ice, for the single reason that they wouldn't know where to start with a new game.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2017 12:14:36 GMT
But I think that's purely academic anyway. In the foreseeable future there won't be another ME game. Quite probably the franchise has indeed been put on ice, for the single reason that they wouldn't know where to start with a new game. I see another ME game in 4-5 years. I wouldn't be surprised if someone at Bioware already has an idea or ideas for the next game. Whether the next game takes place here, there or wherever, time will tell, but I do believe they won't put ME on ice.
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Post by haolyn on Sept 3, 2017 12:29:40 GMT
Still waiting on smilesja to explain why would EA put time, money, and resources into MEA if they knew it would have the plug pulled in order to support Anthem with time, money, and resources. That logic doesnt make sense, but people here who cannot and will not accept that MEA was a failure, it is logic to them because it fits a narrative that MEA didnt fail but was actually a success. So yeah, if EA knew that the endstate was to focus on Anthem.... why the hell would EA publish MEA in the first place if they knew they wouldnt support it with SP DLC cause they needed the time, money, and resources for Anthem? Especially considering that EVERY game since ME1 from Bioware got SP DLC. Finally, EA has allowed Bioware to focus on Mass Effect before while working on bigger projects simultaneously. Remember SWTOR? That had a big budget of ~$200 million which was one of the most expensive videogames ever made at the time (including marketing cost). So why did ME and DA games at the time still recieved SP DLC even during SWTORs development but MEA couldnt during Anthem's? because they intended to support it with MP content and recover the loss from selling SP DLC through MP microtransactions and less development costs. that's what bioware said they planned to do and that's what i'm going with. everything else is just speculation by people who know nothing about how well the game sold or what EA's expectations were and are just talking out of their ass
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 3, 2017 13:23:00 GMT
But what if a future game ended up being the GOAT and kept Ryder? The people who avoid the game strictly for that reason wouldn't be any better. If it ends up being good, I will probably buy the game, if I hadn't already. But that would be after I've watched gameplay videos to see if it is worth buying Well I imagine a lot of people do that already. People who are interested would figure that out one way or another well within the first couple weeks of release and make their decision by then.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2017 13:59:34 GMT
Well I imagine a lot of people do that already. People who are interested would figure that out one way or another well within the first couple weeks of release and make their decision by then. I'm sure a lot of people do that already. For me, it would the first time I won't preorder a Bioware game since I started playing games from Bioware.
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Post by abaris on Sept 3, 2017 14:18:46 GMT
I'm sure a lot of people do that already. For me, it would the first time I won't preorder a Bioware game since I started playing games from Bioware. I stopped preordering any game back in 2006 when I got served an unpolished turd of biblical proportions.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 3, 2017 15:04:27 GMT
Still waiting on smilesja to explain why would EA put time, money, and resources into MEA if they knew it would have the plug pulled in order to support Anthem with time, money, and resources. That logic doesnt make sense, but people here who cannot and will not accept that MEA was a failure, it is logic to them because it fits a narrative that MEA didnt fail but was actually a success. So yeah, if EA knew that the endstate was to focus on Anthem.... why the hell would EA publish MEA in the first place if they knew they wouldnt support it with SP DLC cause they needed the time, money, and resources for Anthem? Especially considering that EVERY game since ME1 from Bioware got SP DLC. Finally, EA has allowed Bioware to focus on Mass Effect before while working on bigger projects simultaneously. Remember SWTOR? That had a big budget of ~$200 million which was one of the most expensive videogames ever made at the time (including marketing cost). So why did ME and DA games at the time still recieved SP DLC even during SWTORs development but MEA couldnt during Anthem's? because they intended to support it with MP content and recover the loss from selling SP DLC through MP microtransactions and less development costs. that's what bioware said they planned to do and that's what i'm going with. everything else is just speculation by people who know nothing about how well the game sold or what EA's expectations were and are just talking out of their ass Im sorry. I must be behind on things. Can you or someone link me to where Bioware or EA said their plan from the very beginning was to never have SP DLC and only bank on MP DLC? Can someone cough up that link? And that still doesnt answer why EA would go forward with a game and pull the plug on it in order to support Anthem when they could have just never developed MEA and used all that resources for Anthem.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 3, 2017 15:18:26 GMT
because they intended to support it with MP content and recover the loss from selling SP DLC through MP microtransactions and less development costs. that's what bioware said they planned to do and that's what i'm going with. everything else is just speculation by people who know nothing about how well the game sold or what EA's expectations were and are just talking out of their ass Im sorry. I must be behind on things. Can you or someone link me to where Bioware or EA said their plan from the very beginning was to never have SP DLC and only bank on MP DLC? Can someone cough up that link? Yeah, companies hate hundreds of millions of dollars. 😉 Do you have any evidence they dropped DLC plans instead of just not having planned on it at all? Nope! And since the main game was still being fixed and barely held together before launch, your assertion that they were planning DLC or already working on it doesn't hold much weight. It's likely the delays, known development issues, and assumed lower score (8-8.5) would have suggested a wait-and-see approach at most, rather than a "oh yeah yeah, DLC? We're doing that. Ooh, people don't like it? NVM." Type of deal.
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Post by abaris on Sept 3, 2017 15:18:37 GMT
Im sorry. I must be behind on things. Can you or someone link me to where Bioware or EA said their plan from the very beginning was to never have SP DLC and only bank on MP DLC? Can someone cough up that link? In their PR announcement of not supporting SP anymore, they said something along these lines. But it was just that, PR, giving the message of not supporting SP a positive spin by selling MP and comics as the cureitalls.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 3, 2017 15:37:34 GMT
Im sorry. I must be behind on things. Can you or someone link me to where Bioware or EA said their plan from the very beginning was to never have SP DLC and only bank on MP DLC? Can someone cough up that link? In their PR announcement of not supporting SP anymore, they said something along these lines. But it was just that, PR, giving the message of not supporting SP a positive spin by selling MP and comics as the cureitalls. But did they say they never intended to do SP DLC in the first place? That is what I am asking for proof of because that seems to be the argument a few people are throwing around. I know as of now that is their plans, to tell post game content stories through MP and novels, but where did EA confirm that it was always their plans from the very beginning to do this? Even if MEA averaged in the 90s for review scores and sold 20+ million copies and was critically praised as being the best Bioware game ever made.
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Post by cypherj on Sept 3, 2017 15:40:57 GMT
because they intended to support it with MP content and recover the loss from selling SP DLC through MP microtransactions and less development costs. that's what bioware said they planned to do and that's what i'm going with. everything else is just speculation by people who know nothing about how well the game sold or what EA's expectations were and are just talking out of their ass Im sorry. I must be behind on things. Can you or someone link me to where Bioware or EA said their plan from the very beginning was to never have SP DLC and only bank on MP DLC? Can someone cough up that link? I don't work for EA, but I am an accountant who helps work on my company's budget and forecasting, and the idea of this is just ridiculous, a company would never do this. You're missing too much necessary data. Just the big stuff you're missing. a) How big is the potential market for SP DLC How many people are playing MP c) How many people playing MP have purchased micro transactions, or what the average spend is per person playing MP You can't make a decision on which path is going to be more profitable without data. Might they have done this exercise after the game came out and they had a chance to look at some this data, absolutely and probably. But I can't see them deciding this from the very start, back before the game was even released.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 3, 2017 15:41:33 GMT
In their PR announcement of not supporting SP anymore, they said something along these lines. But it was just that, PR, giving the message of not supporting SP a positive spin by selling MP and comics as the cureitalls. But did they say they never intended to do SP DLC in the first place? That is what I am asking for proof of because that seems to be the argument a few people are throwing around. Did they ever say they actually intended to make DLC? WHERE'S YOUR PROOF, JAZZ? THERE IS NO GOD! THE CAKE IS A LIE! WUBBA LUBBA DUB-DUB!
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Post by abaris on Sept 3, 2017 15:43:06 GMT
But did they say they never intended to do SP DLC in the first place? That is what I am asking for proof of because that seems to be the argument a few people are throwing around. I can't be arsed to search for the original statement, but one could read it that way. They said something like "early on" the decided on continuing the story through books and MP. It's the usual noncommital PR rubbish that can be interpreted either way, but you could read it in it. Which probably was the intent.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 3, 2017 15:55:31 GMT
Im sorry. I must be behind on things. Can you or someone link me to where Bioware or EA said their plan from the very beginning was to never have SP DLC and only bank on MP DLC? Can someone cough up that link? But I can't see them deciding this from the very start, back before the game was even released. That is my point exactly. And STILL waiting on smilesja to explain the logic of why EA would go forward with MEA if they were going to pull the plug in order to support Anthem when in the past, they didnt pull the plug on ME/DA to support SWTOR. Original quote: >EA >abandoning a profitable game what a world we would live in When there's a new IP that EA is invested in. I think they would have people working on it in addition with others.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Sept 3, 2017 16:05:43 GMT
But I can't see them deciding this from the very start, back before the game was even released. That is my point exactly. And STILL waiting on smilesja to explain the logic of why EA would go forward with MEA if they were going to pull the plug in order to support Anthem when in the past, they didnt pull the plug on ME/DA to support SWTOR. Can I explain it for him? 💲💲💲💲💸💸💸💸🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑💰💰💰💰💰 Money! They still made out well with MEA, so even if it's a one-off without DLC, money's great! Don't you like money? They love money. So you finish MEA, make money, but shore up Anthem's dev team so everything gets done well and on time. Makes perfect sense.
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Post by haolyn on Sept 3, 2017 16:06:54 GMT
there's also what the author of the quarian ark book said (in response to someone complaining that they don't want the quarian plot to be solved in a book):
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Post by Qolx on Sept 3, 2017 16:23:20 GMT
there's also what the author of the quarian ark book said (in response to someone complaining that they don't want the quarian plot to be solved in a book): That author needs to work on her jedi mind trickery. The game was in development before she started writing the books. BUT I'm starting to like this overarching theory that EA/BW knew they were pumping out crap and just wanted to cash out. Her statement adds a little fuel to the dumpster fire.
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