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Post by Andrew Lucas on Sept 3, 2017 2:36:57 GMT
It's full of people who like and dislike the game. Far from a hive mind. That's not the point. BSN can be stupid enough to believe that EA would simply abandon a game that was profitable for then, it doesn't work like that. They didn't make the game for the fans, they made for the money, and the sequel would follow the same path, for obvious reasons, it's not happening anytime soon.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 3, 2017 2:37:26 GMT
So because I'm offering up a possible interpretation it means I'm in denial? Sure its a possible interpretation, but its one that reeks of denial to me Well it's not.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 3, 2017 2:39:21 GMT
It's kinda funny...we get the narrative that ME:A is not liked here and the fans want another direction yet the polls opened always tell a different story. ME:A was enjoyed by a lot of people and still is to this day. self selection bias Ok...sure, whatever. People aren't forced to answer them and are as brutally honest as they want in the comments. Seems it's basically a handful of pissed off people who like to post a lot but I'm just going by what I see. I don't post often because I'm actually still enjoying and playing the game.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 3, 2017 2:39:36 GMT
It's full of people who like and dislike the game. Far from a hive mind. That's not the point. BSN can be stupid enough to believe that EA would simply abandon a game that was profitable for then, it doesn't work like that. They didn't make the game for the fans, they made for the money, and the sequel would follow the same path, for obvious reasons, it's not happening anytime soon. Dead Space 3 was considered a game that sunk the franchise, yet It got single player DLC. The fact it got DLC and ME: A a more profitible franchise did not seems to me that EA wanted to relocate its resources after the game was finished.
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 3, 2017 2:39:48 GMT
Sure its a possible interpretation, but its one that reeks of denial to me Well it's not. "EA never intended to release DLC and instead moved all the people over as part of the course set for Anthem" is denialism, if MEA had been more well received it undoubtedly would have gotten DLC
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 3, 2017 2:41:31 GMT
Ok...sure, whatever. People aren't forced to answer them and are as brutally honest as they want in the comments. Seems it's basically a handful of pissed off people who like to post a lot but I'm just going by what I see. I don't post often because I'm actually still enjoying and playing the game. I mean yes there will always be naysayers, trolls, and crotchety old holdovers like me, but these are forum for people who play BioWare games, people who don't like them, don't play them, or dropped them half way through aren't exactly the crowd that gathers here, again with some exceptions.
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 3, 2017 2:44:01 GMT
That's not the point. BSN can be stupid enough to believe that EA would simply abandon a game that was profitable for then, it doesn't work like that. They didn't make the game for the fans, they made for the money, and the sequel would follow the same path, for obvious reasons, it's not happening anytime soon. Dead Space 3 was considered a game that sunk the franchise, yet It got single player DLC. The fact it got DLC and ME: A a more profitible franchise did not seems to me that EA wanted to relocate its resources after the game was finished. or maybe they viewed MEA as more toxic to their brand, or they didn't decide Dead Space 3 was DOA. the memes made the decision for them in MEA's case. The fact of the matter is that MEA was viewed as not worth further investment, there's no reason to think there were not plans, perhaps even extensive ones, for DLC
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 3, 2017 2:45:00 GMT
I see we've moved onto the denial stage when do we get to acceptance? So because I'm offering up a possible interpretation it means I'm in denial? You still seem to be in denial that MEA was dropped due to reception. Your argument is that MEA was dropped so that they could focus on Anthem which makes zero logical sense. EA was working on Anthem the same time as MEA. If the intent was to ultimately drop MEA and just do Anthem, why the hell did EA greenlight MEA in the first place? Why waste money and resources on a game that they new they would ultimately drop? That just does not make any business sense. I mean, if there were no plans for DLC, then explain the Quarian tease at the end of the game. Do you really think they teased that just to sell a novel?
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 3, 2017 2:47:03 GMT
To be clear, though, no one here actually knows what EA/BioWare is currently planning for the franchise. Maybe it's dead, maybe they got an expansion in mind, maybe a direct sequel, maybe a sequel set in a different cluster in Andromeda...who knows? I just look to the BioWare store and see a shitload of Mass Effect merchandise that's going to become irrelevant at some point if they don't have positive news at some point. I do think they do something. They've invested a lot of money in bringing the ME universe over to the Frostbite 3 engine. My guess is they take the lessons learned from ME:A, DA:I, Anthem, and DA4, see what works and build something from there meaning we probably see something around 2021-2022 actually we know exactly what they are currently planning on they even made a whole blog post about it, multiplayer support. This will of course change at some point in the future, but they came out quite clearly on what they were going to do in the immediate future
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Post by Qolx on Sept 3, 2017 2:47:34 GMT
Two things. One i do not make that assumption. In fact the extreme reaction to Andromeda only proves that most likely any new ME game will be something i do not want. Or will actually wait to see if its good. Two. While i enjoyed the game, many of the things that people didn't would also would be in any new ME game. If people complain about the story of MEA boring and not being as epic then the next ME game will have that same problem unless they give us a direct sequel to Andromeda. colfoley, you do justice to your forum avatar. Let me get this right: 1) the extreme reaction to Andromeda is the only factor that will influence your future ME purchase and 2) the next ME game will be just as boring as ME:A except if it's a direct sequel to ME:A in which case it will be epic. Self-serving load of crap. I get that you are obsessed with Ryder but try to make a more logical and emotionally sound argument. I'm telling you that as someone who'd like to see Andromeda 2 without Ryder.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 3, 2017 2:51:39 GMT
And it could be that, from the beginning, due to the troubled 5 year development, EA took it out of BioWare Montreal's hands, released it early in an quarter that was empty so it would have the maximum revenue impact for them and decided not to invest in it any more regardless if the reception. It made it's money, now it can rest for a bit. I think the free trial and price cut through Origins was the last attempt to see, based on the numbers and even after it's mixed reception, if something addition could be salvage from it but, by EA releasing an unfinished product early, pretty much doomed it to its fate. While I wanted SP DLC, and would have gladly paid for it, I can understand EA's reluctance given the uncertainty.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 3, 2017 2:52:17 GMT
"EA never intended to release DLC and instead moved all the people over as part of the course set for Anthem" is denialism, if MEA had been more well received it undoubtedly would have gotten DLC It's an IP that they've been hyping. Regardless of reception it seemed that they were dead set on it.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 3, 2017 2:55:22 GMT
Dead Space 3 was considered a game that sunk the franchise, yet It got single player DLC. The fact it got DLC and ME: A a more profitible franchise did not seems to me that EA wanted to relocate its resources after the game was finished. or maybe they viewed MEA as more toxic to their brand, or they didn't decide Dead Space 3 was DOA. the memes made the decision for them in MEA's case. The fact of the matter is that MEA was viewed as not worth further investment, there's no reason to think there were not plans, perhaps even extensive ones, for DLC EA loves their DLC. Despite the reception, ME: A would've gotten at least one DLC. But considering games like Anthem that EA wants to invest, I think they pulled the plug.
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 3, 2017 2:56:43 GMT
"EA never intended to release DLC and instead moved all the people over as part of the course set for Anthem" is denialism, if MEA had been more well received it undoubtedly would have gotten DLC It's an IP that they've been hyping. Regardless of reception it seemed that they were dead set on it. It makes sense!!!!!!
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 3, 2017 2:56:47 GMT
To be clear, though, no one here actually knows what EA/BioWare is currently planning for the franchise. Maybe it's dead, maybe they got an expansion in mind, maybe a direct sequel, maybe a sequel set in a different cluster in Andromeda...who knows? I just look to the BioWare store and see a shitload of Mass Effect merchandise that's going to become irrelevant at some point if they don't have positive news at some point. I do think they do something. They've invested a lot of money in bringing the ME universe over to the Frostbite 3 engine. My guess is they take the lessons learned from ME:A, DA:I, Anthem, and DA4, see what works and build something from there meaning we probably see something around 2021-2022 actually we know exactly what they are currently planning on they even made a whole blog post about it, multiplayer support. This will of course change at some point in the future, but they came out quite clearly on what they were going to do in the immediate future Well, the immediate future is well known. I'm talking about the next 5 years. I think they gave it to Montreal with the hope they'd put a fresh spin on it and it failed. Failure happens...but, between, ME:A and DA:I, I'd like to see "take 2" after having spent all this time working with the Frostbite 3 engine to give it RPG elements it never had before.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 3, 2017 2:57:44 GMT
It's an IP that they've been hyping. Regardless of reception it seemed that they were dead set on it. It makes sense!!!!!!
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 3, 2017 3:00:16 GMT
actually we know exactly what they are currently planning on they even made a whole blog post about it, multiplayer support. This will of course change at some point in the future, but they came out quite clearly on what they were going to do in the immediate future Well, the immediate future is well known. I'm talking about the next 5 years. I think they gave it to Montreal with the hope they'd put a fresh spin on it and it failed. Failure happens...but, between, ME:A and DA:I, I'd like to see "take 2" after having spent all this time working with the Frostbite 3 engine to give it RPG elements it never had before. and I'd sooner bury the franchise with what little dignity it can still muster up, but that's beyond the scope of what I'm talking about. We're talking about the immediate future of MEA and the ME series as a whole, and whether or not DLC was planned but axed or never intended at all so BioWare could focus on Anthem.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 3, 2017 3:08:34 GMT
Well, the immediate future is well known. I'm talking about the next 5 years. I think they gave it to Montreal with the hope they'd put a fresh spin on it and it failed. Failure happens...but, between, ME:A and DA:I, I'd like to see "take 2" after having spent all this time working with the Frostbite 3 engine to give it RPG elements it never had before. and I'd sooner bury the franchise with what little dignity it can still muster up, but that's beyond the scope of what I'm talking about. We're talking about the immediate future of MEA and the ME series as a whole, and whether or not DLC was planned but axed or never intended at all so BioWare could focus on Anthem. I think it was planned at one point, internally within Montreal, as it was said they are starting to prepare for a sequel when the game went "gold" but it appears EA didn't agree. Catherine Valente, the author of "The Lost Ark" book, had stated it was always the intention to tell the story of Quarian Ark through her novel and it was decided prior to release so reception of the game didn't impact that option
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 3, 2017 3:10:30 GMT
and I'd sooner bury the franchise with what little dignity it can still muster up, but that's beyond the scope of what I'm talking about. We're talking about the immediate future of MEA and the ME series as a whole, and whether or not DLC was planned but axed or never intended at all so BioWare could focus on Anthem. I think it was planned at one point, internally within Montreal, as it was said they are starting to prepare for a sequel when the game went "gold" but it appears EA didn't agree. Catherine Valente, the author of "The Lost Ark" book, had stated it was always the intention to tell the story of Quarian Ark through her novel and it was decided prior to release so reception of the game didn't impact that option forgive my skepticism of the author not saying "hey the game isn't getting DLC so they're pawning off a loose end to me". I'm sure part of the story was always going to be told through her book, but there's not a shred of doubt in my mind it was going to be DLC as well
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 3, 2017 3:16:40 GMT
I think it was planned at one point, internally within Montreal, as it was said they are starting to prepare for a sequel when the game went "gold" but it appears EA didn't agree. Catherine Valente, the author of "The Lost Ark" book, had stated it was always the intention to tell the story of Quarian Ark through her novel and it was decided prior to release so reception of the game didn't impact that option forgive my skepticism of the author not saying "hey the game isn't getting DLC so they're pawning off a loose end to me". I'm sure part of the story was always going to be told through her book, but there's not a shred of doubt in my mind it was going to be DLC as well And you could be completely right but I only have what is known. Rumor has it EA was moving away SP DLC as it's not viewed as particularly profitable, and it expecting SP DLC could have been just an assumption on our part. Their next game, Battlefront 2 has no season pass and it appears they are looking providing mostly online support through purchased packs. It will interesting to see what EA properties get SP DLC in the future.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 3, 2017 3:20:19 GMT
or maybe they viewed MEA as more toxic to their brand, or they didn't decide Dead Space 3 was DOA. the memes made the decision for them in MEA's case. The fact of the matter is that MEA was viewed as not worth further investment, there's no reason to think there were not plans, perhaps even extensive ones, for DLC EA loves their DLC. Despite the reception, ME: A would've gotten at least one DLC. But considering games like Anthem that EA wants to invest, I think they pulled the plug. You seem to be strategically ignoring my reply to you which challenged your lack of logic. Again, if Anthem was a priority, why invest in MEA in the first place?
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Post by suikoden on Sept 3, 2017 3:23:35 GMT
That's not the point. BSN can be stupid enough to believe that EA would simply abandon a game that was profitable for then, it doesn't work like that. They didn't make the game for the fans, they made for the money, and the sequel would follow the same path, for obvious reasons, it's not happening anytime soon. Dead Space 3 was considered a game that sunk the franchise, yet It got single player DLC. The fact it got DLC and ME: A a more profitible franchise did not seems to me that EA wanted to relocate its resources after the game was finished. You're equating a single game with an entire franchise... Maybe DS3 got DLC... because it sold better than Andromeda? More likely it got DLC because it wasn't a laughing stock and therefore wouldn't ruin EA's reputation. It's incredible how you've managed to spin everything that's happened in trying to polish a turd.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 3, 2017 3:55:53 GMT
Two things. One i do not make that assumption. In fact the extreme reaction to Andromeda only proves that most likely any new ME game will be something i do not want. Or will actually wait to see if its good. Two. While i enjoyed the game, many of the things that people didn't would also would be in any new ME game. If people complain about the story of MEA boring and not being as epic then the next ME game will have that same problem unless they give us a direct sequel to Andromeda. colfoley, you do justice to your forum avatar. Let me get this right: 1) the extreme reaction to Andromeda is the only factor that will influence your future ME purchase and 2) the next ME game will be just as boring as ME:A except if it's a direct sequel to ME:A in which case it will be epic. Self-serving load of crap. I get that you are obsessed with Ryder but try to make a more logical and emotionally sound argument. I'm telling you that as someone who'd like to see Andromeda 2 without Ryder. no. You read wrong. I half wonder if it was deliberate. I'm saying that since MEA 'failed' bioware will likely go back to the safe, and the tried and true instead of continuing to experiment and innovate. And since that means going back to something that, in some ways,i consider inferior...just not sure I'd be interested. Coupled that with an ME game that likely won't be a direct sequel to Andromeda ill likely view such a game as a betrayal unless it can meet MEAs high standards. And I'm.only.as obsessed with Ryder as most.people seem to be with Shepard.
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Post by Qolx on Sept 3, 2017 4:42:03 GMT
colfoley , you do justice to your forum avatar. Let me get this right: 1) the extreme reaction to Andromeda is the only factor that will influence your future ME purchase and 2) the next ME game will be just as boring as ME:A except if it's a direct sequel to ME:A in which case it will be epic. Self-serving load of crap. I get that you are obsessed with Ryder but try to make a more logical and emotionally sound argument. I'm telling you that as someone who'd like to see Andromeda 2 without Ryder. no. You read wrong. I half wonder if it was deliberate. I'm saying that since MEA 'failed' bioware will likely go back to the safe, and the tried and true instead of continuing to experiment and innovate. And since that means going back to something that, in some ways,i consider inferior...just not sure I'd be interested. Coupled that with an ME game that likely won't be a direct sequel to Andromeda ill likely view such a game as a betrayal unless it can meet MEAs high standards. And I'm.only.as obsessed with Ryder as most.people seem to be with Shepard. You only want to play Ryder, as I said. You could not care less about much else even if a future ME game is the GOAT. All you have in that comment is speculation and raw emotion, friend. >MEA >"high standards" Okay, colfoley
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 3, 2017 4:52:37 GMT
unless it can meet MEAs high standards. Ok that's genuinely hilarious, well done sir
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