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Post by haolyn on Sept 3, 2017 16:30:05 GMT
there's also what the author of the quarian ark book said (in response to someone complaining that they don't want the quarian plot to be solved in a book): That author needs to work on her jedi mind trickery. The game was in development before she started writing the books. BUT I'm starting to like this overarching theory that EA/BW knew they were pumping out crap and just wanted to cash out. Her statement adds a little fuel to the dumpster fire. she said she was writing the book before the game had been out (as in, released)
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Post by Qolx on Sept 3, 2017 16:40:22 GMT
That author needs to work on her jedi mind trickery. The game was in development before she started writing the books. BUT I'm starting to like this overarching theory that EA/BW knew they were pumping out crap and just wanted to cash out. Her statement adds a little fuel to the dumpster fire. she said she was writing the book before the game had been out (as in, released) Correct. Hers is a poor response. The unnamed person wanted the Quarian plot to be solved in-game, not via books. She says she was writing before release. That doesn't assuage the person who may have justifiably expected the Quarian plot to be solved in-game. The exact same feeling many of our special forum denizens shared. So, yes, she strongly indicated a budget for a Quarian ark DLC was pulled or never planned. EA/BW only wanted MP.
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Post by abaris on Sept 3, 2017 16:50:53 GMT
Correct. Hers is a poor response. The unnamed person wanted the Quarian plot to be solved in-game, not via books. She says she was writing before release. That doesn't assuage the person who may have justifiably expected the Quarian plot to be solved in-game. The exact same feeling many of our special forum denizens shared. So, yes, she strongly indicated a budget for a Quarian ark DLC was pulled or never planned. EA/BW only wanted MP. Why's anyone so hooked on the quarians? I can be a prophet and tell you what happened to them. They got boarded by Kett and Ryder had to take care of the invading forces to save the day. No, what's bothering me aren't the Quarians but Garrsens murder. And I'm mildly annoyed by the benefactor too. The Quarians come last on that list, only in competition with Ryder's mom, since a possible cure would take time.
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Post by Qolx on Sept 3, 2017 16:59:25 GMT
Correct. Hers is a poor response. The unnamed person wanted the Quarian plot to be solved in-game, not via books. She says she was writing before release. That doesn't assuage the person who may have justifiably expected the Quarian plot to be solved in-game. The exact same feeling many of our special forum denizens shared. So, yes, she strongly indicated a budget for a Quarian ark DLC was pulled or never planned. EA/BW only wanted MP. Why's anyone so hooked on the quarians? I can be a prophet and tell you what happened to them. They got boarded by Kett and Ryder had to take care of the invading forces to save the day. No, what's bothering me aren't the Quarians but Garrsens murder. And I'm mildly annoyed by the benefactor too. The Quarians come last on that list, only in competition with Ryder's mom, since a possible cure would take time. Whoa now. smilesja and others were the ones who started the save Quarians tag. They wanted DLC. I couldn't care less about the Andro Quarians. Let's not flip the argument.
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Post by The Twilight God on Sept 3, 2017 18:08:46 GMT
That's like saying they shouldn't canonize Shepard surviving the suicide mission just so they could make ME3. But ME2's Everyone-Dies ending is basically just an elaborate game over. So is Synthesis, Control and especially Refuse. Within the context of the lore set up by the game and the comics they could only end in disaster. They are essentially Reapers win endings.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 3, 2017 18:11:22 GMT
But ME2's Everyone-Dies ending is basically just an elaborate game over. So is Synthesis, Control and especially Refuse. Within the context of the lore set up by the game and the comics they could only end in disaster. They are essentially Reapers win endings.
Actually, I'd see Synthesis more as the idyllic nothing can possibly go wrong and everything is now green syrup kumbaya ending, which is why I don't think it would ever work for future stories, and part of the reason why I hate it so much.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 3, 2017 19:30:54 GMT
hey if the next ME game is my personal GOAT with or without Ryder I'll be happy to eat crow and enjoy the hell out of it. I will probably buy the next ME game no matter what. But without Ryder I'll be skeptical and adopt a wait and see attitude. WITH Ryder? Instant pre order. You're a Miranda fan? Would you buy an ME3 sequel if Miranda was a squadmate especially if the story was average or better than average? ...no? Mirandas story is done. So are the rest of the characters in the MET. At best maybe they could give her a cameo but i even doubt that.
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Post by haolyn on Sept 3, 2017 19:32:24 GMT
they are never going to canonize any of the ME3 endings and it's hilarious how many people think they will. they are far more toxic than andromeda could ever hope to be
the biggest problem with andromeda is the lack of memorable story and companions for a fair amount of the people who played it. people just aren't invested enough. the ME3 endings have the opposite problem: people are TOO invested. touching the milky way again is going to piss people off no matter what they do. touching andromeda again would be met with, at worst, a lukewarm response
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Post by abaris on Sept 3, 2017 20:11:56 GMT
the biggest problem with andromeda is the lack of memorable story and companions for a fair amount of the people who played it. people just aren't invested enough. the ME3 endings have the opposite problem: people are TOO invested. touching the milky way again is going to piss people off no matter what they do. touching andromeda again would be met with, at worst, a lukewarm response That's why I'm pretty sure the franchise is indeed on ice for the foreseeable future. They've painted themselves into a tight corner on every possible level. Outrage vs lukewarm doesn't sound like an appealing business decision to make, if you want to promote a new product.
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Post by Qolx on Sept 3, 2017 20:16:32 GMT
ME is dead. Don't expect another one within the next 10yrs and maybe a card game within the next 20.
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Post by haolyn on Sept 3, 2017 20:20:08 GMT
i guess it depends how bioware is looking in ~5-6 years. if anthem's reception is lukewarm i could see them wanting to return to mass effect to create more buzz. if anthem is a smash hit and bringing in tons of money, they really have no reason to return to mass effect again other than nostalgia
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Post by Furisco on Sept 3, 2017 20:22:27 GMT
Even if i want to see a sequel to Andromeda it's so damn obvious that it's not gonna happen.
People talking about Andromeda 2 sounds a lot like when people were talking about Andromeda getting at least 2 DLCs. You can like MEA but you cannot deny that the game damaged the IP and it makes no business sense to make a sequel to that.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Sept 3, 2017 20:29:43 GMT
How do people feel about Bioware rolling out a middle market offering to continue the story of ME:A in the hope of generating a bit of enthusiasm for a sequel? Something in the manner of a Telltale adventure, exploring some of those unresolved plot threads and introducing a few new ones. The costs of doing so needn't be prohibitive and could go some way to reengaging fans of the IP who were left disappointed by Andromeda.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2017 20:30:10 GMT
...no? Mirandas story is done. So are the rest of the characters in the MET. At best maybe they could give her a cameo but i even doubt that. So you wouldn't preorder the game if a sequel to ME3 was released and Miranda was a squadmate for the game?
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Post by river82 on Sept 3, 2017 20:41:19 GMT
How do people feel about Bioware rolling out a middle market offering to continue the story of ME:A and generate a bit of enthusiasm for a sequel? Something in the manner of a Telltale adventure, exploring some of those unresolved plot threads and introducing a few new ones. The costs of doing so needn't be prohibitive and could go some way to reengaging fans of the IP who somewhat turned off by Andromeda. I wouldn't mind such a game. If they can get the Mass Effect community on board and excited they'll have the audience and because costs are lower they can afford to be more risky and less safe in their offerings. Bioware's games have been a little too safe of late.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 3, 2017 20:41:29 GMT
...no? Mirandas story is done. So are the rest of the characters in the MET. At best maybe they could give her a cameo but i even doubt that. So you wouldn't preorder the game if a sequel to ME3 was released and Miranda was a squadmate for the game? i already said no.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2017 20:46:55 GMT
So if Ryder returns, its a preorder. If no Ryder, no preorder.
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Post by cypherj on Sept 3, 2017 20:54:25 GMT
How do people feel about Bioware rolling out a middle market offering to continue the story of ME:A in the hope of generating a bit of enthusiasm for a sequel? Something in the manner of a Telltale adventure, exploring some of those unresolved plot threads and introducing a few new ones. The costs of doing so needn't be prohibitive and could go some way to reengaging fans of the IP who were disappointed with Andromeda. Honestly, I don't think they would try to continue ME:A, at least not a direct sequel. If the fan interest isn't there, doesn't matter if it's DLC, middle market, full game, the interest isn't going to be there. That's why I agree with the EA boss when he said that if they bring it back it has to be something fresh. They'd be taking a risk releasing anything directly tied to this game.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 3, 2017 20:55:38 GMT
So if Ryder returns, its a preorder. If no Ryder, no preorder. my biggest concern is a direct sequel to Andromeda. Preferably with Ryder. Though i kind of like mugwumps idea.
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Post by BioFan on Sept 3, 2017 21:00:42 GMT
What direction would you like to see EA/BioWare go with the franchise in the future? Whelp here goes With ME:A i'd a went the direction of Anthem an had the Andromeda Initiative a human only endeavor, with the ME franchise? I can see it still going in this direction You mean like a first contact war kind of thing? I doubt any ME game would forgo the inclusion of aliens...
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Post by simit on Sept 3, 2017 21:07:24 GMT
No i mean a game set in ME universe much like destiny, for me after the OT that was the way forward, i think BioWare was to "affraid" to do it with existing ip hence Anthem, wouldn't surprise me to find out it was discussed though but ultimately dismissed
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Post by kevinkevin on Sept 3, 2017 21:40:12 GMT
Thanks BioFan. Despite the fact there may be life left with the series...not sure I can forgive and forget - feeling pretty much abandoned. I am one of the few people that actually liked the game. Throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater does not inspire much confidence. So ME is kind of dead for me unfortunately. :sob: I haven't given up hope - I think the ME franchise is too valuable for EA to walk away from it. But I do agree with BioFan - the wait will be looooong. The Anthem game will likely suck up all the oxygen at BW for at least a year after it's released, and the next DA title (hopefully) will be coming sometime after that. Maybe 4 years if not 5, at least I think. So...2022 or 2023? Maybe? At this point all I can say for CERTAIN is that I won't be making any pre-release purchases of a BW title...ever again.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 3, 2017 22:29:53 GMT
That is my point exactly. And STILL waiting on smilesja to explain the logic of why EA would go forward with MEA if they were going to pull the plug in order to support Anthem when in the past, they didnt pull the plug on ME/DA to support SWTOR. Can I explain it for him? π²π²π²π²πΈπΈπΈπΈπ€π€π€π€π€π°π°π°π°π° Money! They still made out well with MEA, so even if it's a one-off without DLC, money's great! Don't you like money? They love money. So you finish MEA, make money, but shore up Anthem's dev team so everything gets done well and on time. Makes perfect sense. No you can't answer for him. He made the claim, he should be able to back it up. The fact that he cant shows he is reaching from a can of tinfoil hats rather than logic. As for your amswer, still does not make sense. 1) Bioware was able to work on SWTOR all while still making DA and ME games, all of which got SP DLC. 2) That still doesnt answer as to why EA didnt just skip MEA and go straight to Anthem. 3) It doesnt match EAs battle rhythm of milking games. If MEA did so well financially....and if the demand was there for SP DLC, why ignore the money? If your answer is because they wantes to focus on Amthem, then refer to #1 and #2. so yeah, still waiting for smilesja to back up his claims.
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Post by river82 on Sept 3, 2017 22:30:33 GMT
Thanks BioFan. Despite the fact there may be life left with the series...not sure I can forgive and forget - feeling pretty much abandoned. I am one of the few people that actually liked the game. Throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater does not inspire much confidence. So ME is kind of dead for me unfortunately. :sob: I haven't given up hope - I think the ME franchise is too valuable for EA to walk away from it. But I do agree with BioFan - the wait will be looooong. The Anthem game will likely suck up all the oxygen at BW for at least a year after it's released, and the next DA title (hopefully) will be coming sometime after that. Maybe 4 years if not 5, at least I think. So...2022 or 2023? Maybe? At this point all I can say for CERTAIN is that I won't be making any pre-release purchases of a BW title...ever again. ME:A was in constant development and it took 5 years to release. They've got it on ice for now, so 2022 is extremely, extremely optimistic. Keep in mind that Inquisition was released in 2014, and DA:4 looks like 2019 (another 5 year cycle) and that series was most definitely not on ice.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 3, 2017 22:40:18 GMT
I think whether or not a Mass Effect game will be put out is based on whether Anthem is well received.
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