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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 3:42:14 GMT
I honestly can't help it. My biggest pet peeves have always been bullshitters and hypocrites.
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Post by Transcended One on Sept 25, 2017 4:31:22 GMT
Am I the only one who actually liked Andromeda's main story? Nah, there were quite a few of us around here for a while. We just got so bored of the same three topics telling us how wrong we were for liking it, being posted every week since launch that we all buggered off. Heh good call. Ah well at least there's nothing wrong with the story in the previous Mass Effects at all, right?
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Post by Sondergaard on Sept 25, 2017 6:36:59 GMT
Am I the only one who actually liked Andromeda's main story? Nah, there were quite a few of us around here for a while. We just got so bored of the same three topics telling us how wrong we were for liking it, being posted every week since launch that we all buggered off. Victory!
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Post by Guts on Sept 25, 2017 6:49:33 GMT
No reboot. Just remaster the OT then give the Andromeda fans the sequel they want a few years down the line afterwards. This is the only way forward I see, it would make a lot of people happy. Personally, I'd like them to rewrite the ME3 ending then continue Shepard story. But that would never happen due to "artistic integrity" Remasters are overrated imho. I don't see any reason to spend $50 dollars on a game with slightly updated textures. I'd prefer remakes which take the core game and make improvements to it. (Like improving ME1's gameplay) I'm sounding like a broken clock by saying this, but seriously, all you're doing is giving the game slightly better textures and charging people another $50-60 dollars.
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Post by Guts on Sept 25, 2017 6:53:34 GMT
No I think it's you who doesn't. DA2 isn't a fair comparison as it was meant to be different as the Darkspawn are no longer the main threat. You are suggesting ignoring MEA yet remain in Andromeda THAT IS A REBOOT! "In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning."
I told you, you DON'T KNOW what a reboot is. I'd be curious to see where they go with a reboot of Mass Effect. (I get the feeling people would be pretty harsh towards it, not only from the standpoint of people liking the OT a lot, but also due to the whole ME:A controversy, oh and don't forget the ME3 ending fiasco)
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Post by Sondergaard on Sept 25, 2017 6:59:59 GMT
"In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning."
I told you, you DON'T KNOW what a reboot is. I'd be curious to see where they go with a reboot of Mass Effect. (I get the feeling people would be pretty harsh towards it, not only from the standpoint of people liking the OT a lot, but also due to the whole ME:A controversy, oh and don't forget the ME3 ending fiasco) As has been said many times, a good game can rise above undeserved criticism. But a ME reboot would have to be very good indeed.
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Post by Guts on Sept 25, 2017 7:07:01 GMT
I honestly can't help it. My biggest pet peeves have always been bullshitters and hypocrites. Double parkers. (These guys are the worst)
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Post by anarchy65 on Sept 25, 2017 12:53:49 GMT
"In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning."
I told you, you DON'T KNOW what a reboot is. I'd be curious to see where they go with a reboot of Mass Effect. (I get the feeling people would be pretty harsh towards it, not only from the standpoint of people liking the OT a lot, but also due to the whole ME:A controversy, oh and don't forget the ME3 ending fiasco) They already ignored continuity in ME:A, if they do it AND restart from scratch it would be the ultimate failure and admiting "Sorry, we're shitty writers"
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Post by mannyray on Sept 25, 2017 13:09:38 GMT
Am I the only one who actually liked Andromeda's main story? No you are not the only one. And I don't wanna see another Mass Effect if it isn't a continuation of a Ryder's story. There's so much potential for character growth. Continuing with the current premise, say 5 years or so into their future would give developers room to transcend the mistakes of this game. A better script written about adults facing the unknown instead of preciously awkward millenials trying to ask someone on a date, coming up with a more diverse range of missions (fewer fetch quests, mix in more action) and have an older and somewhat wiser Ryder who has grown up and isn't a preciously awkward dork can make ME:A a distant memory and prologue to a "real" game set in Andromeda. Also if they really want to get away from the wide-open world stuff, a Heleus story in a sequel gives the player a milieu in which exploration is tempered with the diplomacy dance and other elements of holding onto and building what they currently have. Hell, the exploration vs. building argument could be a subplot between ryder and tann/addison, etc.
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Post by cypherj on Sept 25, 2017 13:49:53 GMT
I wouldn't mind if they left it in Andromeda, just push it way, way into the future. Then you can give that galaxy a history, some new locations, new races, etc.
One of the things that made Mass Effect interesting was what was already their. Humans and Turians not getting along because of the contact war. Krogan having been uplifted to fight the rachni, then the Salarians coming up with the genophage to limit the Krogan population. But the rachni were only an issue because someone activated a relay that they shouldn't have. Which tied all the way back into why Turians attacked humans, because they opening relays without knowing where they went. There was so much existing history like the Geth & Quarian conflict.
So when these things came up in the game your squadmates had feelings about them because they affected them personally, like Wrex saying you should kill the rachni queen, or Ashley saying she didn't trust aliens.
This is the kind of stuff Andromeda didn't have. But you can put it in if you push everything into the future and give the galaxy some history.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 21:13:10 GMT
No you are not the only one. And I don't wanna see another Mass Effect if it isn't a continuation of a Ryder's story. There's so much potential for character growth. Continuing with the current premise, say 5 years or so into their future would give developers room to transcend the mistakes of this game. A better script written about adults facing the unknown instead of preciously awkward millenials trying to ask someone on a date, coming up with a more diverse range of missions (fewer fetch quests, mix in more action) and have an older and somewhat wiser Ryder who has grown up and isn't a preciously awkward dork can make ME:A a distant memory and prologue to a "real" game set in Andromeda. Also if they really want to get away from the wide-open world stuff, a Heleus story in a sequel gives the player a milieu in which exploration is tempered with the diplomacy dance and other elements of holding onto and building what they currently have. Hell, the exploration vs. building argument could be a subplot between ryder and tann/addison, etc. I would actually much rather prefer Ryder be closer to what they were in MEA than a Shepard 2.0. At least have an option to remain the "preciously awkward dork" as you put it.
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Post by mannyray on Sept 25, 2017 21:29:40 GMT
Continuing with the current premise, say 5 years or so into their future would give developers room to transcend the mistakes of this game. A better script written about adults facing the unknown instead of preciously awkward millenials trying to ask someone on a date, coming up with a more diverse range of missions (fewer fetch quests, mix in more action) and have an older and somewhat wiser Ryder who has grown up and isn't a preciously awkward dork can make ME:A a distant memory and prologue to a "real" game set in Andromeda. Also if they really want to get away from the wide-open world stuff, a Heleus story in a sequel gives the player a milieu in which exploration is tempered with the diplomacy dance and other elements of holding onto and building what they currently have. Hell, the exploration vs. building argument could be a subplot between ryder and tann/addison, etc. I would actually much rather prefer Ryder be closer to what they were in MEA than a Shepard 2.0. At least have an option to remain the "preciously awkward dork" as you put it. Yeah, let's have a story in which the fate of all life in the Andromeda galaxy rests on our pathfinder, but make sure we immediately have him/her stammer like a 12 year old asking a date to the dance-- in front of his/her entire crew no less! that's sarcasm.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 21:31:35 GMT
I would actually much rather prefer Ryder be closer to what they were in MEA than a Shepard 2.0. At least have an option to remain the "preciously awkward dork" as you put it. Yeah, let's have a story in which the fate of all life in the Andromeda galaxy rests on our pathfinder, but make sure we immediately have him/her stammer like a 12 year old asking a date to the dance-- in front of his/her entire crew no less! that's sarcasm. Yeah, how dare we offer roleplaying options in a roleplaying game.
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Post by Serza on Sept 25, 2017 21:32:11 GMT
How's being a badass on the battlefield and awkward trying to get into a relationship mutually exclusive?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 21:39:28 GMT
Yeah, let's have a story in which the fate of all life in the Andromeda galaxy rests on our pathfinder, but make sure we immediately have him/her stammer like a 12 year old asking a date to the dance-- in front of his/her entire crew no less! that's sarcasm. Yeah, how dare we offer roleplaying options in a roleplaying game. How does Ryder have more RP options than Shepard who could go from being a "White Knight" to a "Bad ass Soldier" and everything in between as opposed to a "preciously awkward dork" (not my words)? Again, at best Ryder's different personalities were minor at best. I'm only debating "your" definition on "RP options"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 21:44:58 GMT
Yeah, how dare we offer roleplaying options in a roleplaying game. How does Ryder have more RP options than Shepard who could go from being a "White Knight" to a "Bad ass Soldier" and everything in between as opposed to a "preciously awkward dork" (not my words)? Again, at best Ryder's different personalities were minor at best. I'm only debating "your" definition on "RP options" Ryder could be all those things and more. By Shepard 2.0 I was referring to them becoming just another hardened soldier who had two options for most of the trilogy: King/Queen of the Boy/Girl Scouts or a complete psychopath with everything else being decided for you personality-wise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 21:52:20 GMT
How does Ryder have more RP options than Shepard who could go from being a "White Knight" to a "Bad ass Soldier" and everything in between as opposed to a "preciously awkward dork" (not my words)? Again, at best Ryder's different personalities were minor at best. I'm only debating "your" definition on "RP options" Ryder could be all those things and more. By Shepard 2.0 I was referring to them becoming just another hardened soldier who had two options for most of the trilogy: King/Queen of the Boy/Girl Scouts or a complete psychopath with everything else being decided for you personality-wise. So which decisions of the 4 personalities had any impact? I played it as a professional. - Professional: Marked by a square spiral, these are no-nonsense options that draw on intelligence, but are usually very formal and respectful without any tomfoolery.At no time did it feel like the crew even remotely respected me as a professional and even goes out of its way to counter that emotion (Several ship scenes where the crew just walks out on you)
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Post by mannyray on Sept 25, 2017 21:54:11 GMT
Yeah, let's have a story in which the fate of all life in the Andromeda galaxy rests on our pathfinder, but make sure we immediately have him/her stammer like a 12 year old asking a date to the dance-- in front of his/her entire crew no less! that's sarcasm. Yeah, how dare we offer roleplaying options in a roleplaying game. Let me break down where I'm coming from like this, from the perspective of a tempest crew member in the early stages of the game. I'm on the Tempest's maiden voyage with Ryder and the whole gang. The stakes are now higher than we've ever imagined. The golden worlds didn't pan out, two arks are missing. Thousands (hundreds, ten thousand, no one bothered to count at bioware) were already exiled after a nearly successful mutiny aboard the Nexus. The Krogan's gave everyone the finger and left. Oh and all the other arks are missing. I'm working at my job, trying to hold up my end as we try to make sense of Eos, when Ryder goes up to Suvi... In front of the entire crew, our leader, who is a complete unknown quantity since her father and original pathfinder died and hasn't done shit yet goes up to Suvi and starts blatantly flirting with her in front of everyone in a very childish manner. Considering what is at stake, after seeing this window into the emotional timbre of our leader and pathfinder, I'm going awol and hiding the moment I'm back on the Nexus. Most adults, regardless of temperament would have kept the public discussion to normal get-to-know-you stuff and any flirting, even if it was of the dorky variety, would have been saved later in the game for a more private moment. You could have had the precious dufus dialogue you want and it would have been more believable and would have carried more weight as a dramatic moment if they had gotten to know one another a little and Ryder showed she was a leader who respected how serious their mission was. If Ryder was in the military before, as the game clearly states she was, she would know better.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 21:57:13 GMT
Ryder could be all those things and more. By Shepard 2.0 I was referring to them becoming just another hardened soldier who had two options for most of the trilogy: King/Queen of the Boy/Girl Scouts or a complete psychopath with everything else being decided for you personality-wise. So which decisions of the 4 personalities had any impact? I played it as a professional. - Professional: Marked by a square spiral, these are no-nonsense options that draw on intelligence, but are usually very formal and respectful without any tomfoolery.At no time did it feel like the crew even remotely respected me as a professional and even goes out of its way to counter that emotion (Several ship scenes where the crew just walks out on you) It's almost like that was part of the story to have Ryder earn the role they were given. Plus why should your personality have an impact on other's personalities? Just because you are formal and respectful doesn't mean others are forced to. This is the case in MEA and in real life.
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Post by mannyray on Sept 25, 2017 21:58:54 GMT
So which decisions of the 4 personalities had any impact? I played it as a professional. - Professional: Marked by a square spiral, these are no-nonsense options that draw on intelligence, but are usually very formal and respectful without any tomfoolery.At no time did it feel like the crew even remotely respected me as a professional and even goes out of its way to counter that emotion (Several ship scenes where the crew just walks out on you) It's almost like that was part of the story to have Ryder earn the role they were given. Plus why should your personality have an impact on other's personalities? Just because you are formal and respectful doesn't mean others are forced to. This is the case in MEA and in real life. the trouble is though, the writers couldn't find the difference between a competent person summoning the will to lead this endeavor and an incompetent leader who shows he or she isn't fit for command way too early.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 21:59:52 GMT
Yeah, how dare we offer roleplaying options in a roleplaying game. Let me break down where I'm coming from like this, from the perspective of a tempest crew member in the early stages of the game. I'm on the Tempest's maiden voyage with Ryder and the whole gang. The stakes are now higher than we've ever imagined. The golden worlds didn't pan out, two arks are missing. Thousands (hundreds, ten thousand, no one bothered to count at bioware) were already exiled after a nearly successful mutiny aboard the Nexus. The Krogan's gave everyone the finger and left. Oh and all the other arks are missing. I'm working at my job, trying to hold up my end as we try to make sense of Eos, when Ryder goes up to Suvi... In front of the entire crew, our leader, who is a complete unknown quantity since her father and original pathfinder died and hasn't done shit yet goes up to Suvi and starts blatantly flirting with her in front of everyone in a very childish manner. Considering what is at stake, after seeing this window into the emotional timbre of our leader and pathfinder, I'm going awol and hiding the moment I'm back on the Nexus. Most adults, regardless of temperament would have kept the public discussion to normal get-to-know-you stuff and any flirting, even if it was of the dorky variety, would have been saved later in the game for a more private moment. You could have had the precious dufus dialogue you want and it would have been more believable and would have carried more weight as a dramatic moment if they had gotten to know one another a little and Ryder showed she was a leader who respected how serious their mission was. If Ryder was in the military before, as the game clearly states she was, she would know better. Guess what: The Tempest crew have different perspectives than you. Believe it or not, not everyone thinks or feels the exact same way you do. Also funny how you complain about Ryder being immature and knowing better, and yet how you would react is far worse. Also, I never said you couldn't have what you wanted as an option too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 22:05:38 GMT
So which decisions of the 4 personalities had any impact? I played it as a professional. - Professional: Marked by a square spiral, these are no-nonsense options that draw on intelligence, but are usually very formal and respectful without any tomfoolery.At no time did it feel like the crew even remotely respected me as a professional and even goes out of its way to counter that emotion (Several ship scenes where the crew just walks out on you) It's almost like that was part of the story to have Ryder earn the role they were given. Plus why should your personality have an impact on other's personalities? Just because you are formal and respectful doesn't mean others are forced to. This is the case in MEA and in real life. Come on... Given the high-stakes of what you're out to accomplish I guess it's to hard to ask your crew to take the job seriously... And per the bold you admit that your personality has no bearing huh? That's a real rpg there (per your definition)... Real life huh? People must not have any respect for you to say that. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by mannyray on Sept 25, 2017 22:05:56 GMT
Let me break down where I'm coming from like this, from the perspective of a tempest crew member in the early stages of the game. I'm on the Tempest's maiden voyage with Ryder and the whole gang. The stakes are now higher than we've ever imagined. The golden worlds didn't pan out, two arks are missing. Thousands (hundreds, ten thousand, no one bothered to count at bioware) were already exiled after a nearly successful mutiny aboard the Nexus. The Krogan's gave everyone the finger and left. Oh and all the other arks are missing. I'm working at my job, trying to hold up my end as we try to make sense of Eos, when Ryder goes up to Suvi... In front of the entire crew, our leader, who is a complete unknown quantity since her father and original pathfinder died and hasn't done shit yet goes up to Suvi and starts blatantly flirting with her in front of everyone in a very childish manner. Considering what is at stake, after seeing this window into the emotional timbre of our leader and pathfinder, I'm going awol and hiding the moment I'm back on the Nexus. Most adults, regardless of temperament would have kept the public discussion to normal get-to-know-you stuff and any flirting, even if it was of the dorky variety, would have been saved later in the game for a more private moment. You could have had the precious dufus dialogue you want and it would have been more believable and would have carried more weight as a dramatic moment if they had gotten to know one another a little and Ryder showed she was a leader who respected how serious their mission was. If Ryder was in the military before, as the game clearly states she was, she would know better. Guess what: The Tempest crew have different perspectives than you. Believe it or not, not everyone thinks or feels the exact same way you do. Also funny how you complain about Ryder being immature and knowing better, and yet how you would react is far worse. I'm in a strange galaxy in the cold vacuum of space where I don't even know if we'll all survive and our Pathfinder, between her ears at least, is at the teen dance flirting on a ship full of professional scientists and a couple of military people. Yeah, Ryder's public behavior at that point in the game should be very worrisome, especially since it's been established that Tann and Addison are essentially waiting for any reason to ditch Ryder. I'm out or at the very least I'm going to get in a huge argument with Ryder, although I have the common sense to wait until a private moment for such personal grievances. Hell even other npc's in the game have the sense to do that most of the time.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 22:10:32 GMT
It's almost like that was part of the story to have Ryder earn the role they were given. Plus why should your personality have an impact on other's personalities? Just because you are formal and respectful doesn't mean others are forced to. This is the case in MEA and in real life. Come on... Given the high-stakes of what you're out to accomplish I guess it's to hard to ask your crew to take the job seriously... And per the bold you admit that your personality has no bearing huh? That's a real rpg there (per your definition)... Real life huh? People must not have any respect for you to say that. I hope I'm wrong. We have always had our team handling things in their own way. It was that way with Shepard and that way with Ryder. No, I said it could have no bearing on another person's personality. In real life you can be super professional and yet the person you are talking to won't return the favor. Same with characters. There are many times where the opposite is true and where we do have bearing on the other person.
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