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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 22:11:42 GMT
Guess what: The Tempest crew have different perspectives than you. Believe it or not, not everyone thinks or feels the exact same way you do. Also funny how you complain about Ryder being immature and knowing better, and yet how you would react is far worse. I'm in a strange galaxy in the cold vacuum of space where I don't even know if we'll all survive and our Pathfinder, between her ears at least, is at the teen dance flirting on a ship full of professional scientists and a couple of military people. Yeah, Ryder's public behavior at that point in the game should be very worrisome, especially since it's been established that Tann and Addison are essentially waiting for any reason to ditch Ryder. I'm out or at the very least I'm going to get in a huge argument with Ryder, although I have the common sense to wait until a private moment for such personal grievances. Hell even other npc's in the game have the sense to do that most of the time. So instead of doing your part to ensure everyone's survival, you'll go AWOL and hide just because you don't like how someone else is behaving? That is far more immature than anything Ryder ever does. |
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Post by Serza on Sept 25, 2017 22:17:08 GMT
Well, I guess credit where it's due no matter what, and Hanako does have a point there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 22:18:24 GMT
Come on... Given the high-stakes of what you're out to accomplish I guess it's to hard to ask your crew to take the job seriously... And per the bold you admit that your personality has no bearing huh? That's a real rpg there (per your definition)... Real life huh? People must not have any respect for you to say that. I hope I'm wrong. We have always had our team handling things in their own way. It was that way with Shepard and that way with Ryder. No, I said it could have no bearing on another person's personality. In real life you can be super professional and yet the person you are talking to won't return the favor. Same with characters. There are many times where the opposite is true and where we do have bearing on the other person. So answer me this then... Given the reason why we're there in the first place and the dangers that have been placed upon us since we woke up is it that hard to expect the crew to react in a manner that is professional (one of the options that bioware gave me to RP) based off the fact that are ENTIRE existence has been solely planted on the pathfinders (my) shoulders? |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 22:21:09 GMT
We have always had our team handling things in their own way. It was that way with Shepard and that way with Ryder. No, I said it could have no bearing on another person's personality. In real life you can be super professional and yet the person you are talking to won't return the favor. Same with characters. There are many times where the opposite is true and where we do have bearing on the other person. So answer me this then... Given the reason why we're there in the first place and the dangers that have been placed upon us since we woke up is it that hard to expect the crew to react in a manner that is professional (one of the options that bioware gave me to RP) based off the fact that are ENTIRE existence has been solely planted on the pathfinders (my) shoulders? Yes. You control your character, not NPCs. That's why they are called NPCS, Non-Playable Characters. Just because you choose the Professional option, the only person that affects is Ryder. Also it's not like you can't speak out against their behavior, and when push comes to shove and it is time to get serious they get professional. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 22:26:10 GMT
So answer me this then... Given the reason why we're there in the first place and the dangers that have been placed upon us since we woke up is it that hard to expect the crew to react in a manner that is professional (one of the options that bioware gave me to RP) based off the fact that are ENTIRE existence has been solely planted on the pathfinders (my) shoulders? Yes. You control your character, not NPCs. That's why they are called NPCS, Non-Playable Characters. Just because you choose the Professional option, the only person that affects is Ryder. Also it's not like you can't speak out against their behavior, and when push comes to shove and it is time to get serious they get professional. We're talking about the story here, not just the PC. The story was written in a way that goes against your emotional choices basically negating a reason to have those choices. I guess it was too hard to write in some motivation for those npc's? |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 22:30:59 GMT
Yes. You control your character, not NPCs. That's why they are called NPCS, Non-Playable Characters. Just because you choose the Professional option, the only person that affects is Ryder. Also it's not like you can't speak out against their behavior, and when push comes to shove and it is time to get serious they get professional. We're talking about the story here, not just the PC. The story was written in a way that goes against your emotional choices basically negating a reason to have those choices. I guess it was too hard to write in some motivation for those npc's? I disagree. I feel we are at an impasse at this point. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 22:37:28 GMT
We're talking about the story here, not just the PC. The story was written in a way that goes against your emotional choices basically negating a reason to have those choices. I guess it was too hard to write in some motivation for those npc's? I disagree. I feel we are at an impasse at this point. No Doubt |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 22:38:21 GMT
I disagree. I feel we are at an impasse at this point. No Doubt Then shall we respectfully disengage until a later date or topic? |
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 25, 2017 23:18:27 GMT
Guess what: The Tempest crew have different perspectives than you. Believe it or not, not everyone thinks or feels the exact same way you do. Also funny how you complain about Ryder being immature and knowing better, and yet how you would react is far worse. I'm in a strange galaxy in the cold vacuum of space where I don't even know if we'll all survive and our Pathfinder, between her ears at least, is at the teen dance flirting on a ship full of professional scientists and a couple of military people. Yeah, Ryder's public behavior at that point in the game should be very worrisome, especially since it's been established that Tann and Addison are essentially waiting for any reason to ditch Ryder. I'm out or at the very least I'm going to get in a huge argument with Ryder, although I have the common sense to wait until a private moment for such personal grievances. Hell even other npc's in the game have the sense to do that most of the time. Oh my Science, it was like less than a minute and only the stupid salarian witnesses it. When Ryder's actually doing stuff that matters, like trying to make nice with the new flapheads, it's fine. |
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Post by Guts on Sept 26, 2017 7:44:08 GMT
I'd be curious to see where they go with a reboot of Mass Effect. (I get the feeling people would be pretty harsh towards it, not only from the standpoint of people liking the OT a lot, but also due to the whole ME:A controversy, oh and don't forget the ME3 ending fiasco) They already ignored continuity in ME:A, if they do it AND restart from scratch it would be the ultimate failure and admiting "Sorry, we're shitty writers" How did they ignore continuity, the two things I found to be lore breaking were the Asari pronouns things, someone had to bring that up to me, and how SAM kinda felt like a silly way to incorporate synthesis. Outside of that I'm not really seeing it. |
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Post by colfoley on Sept 26, 2017 7:46:05 GMT
They already ignored continuity in ME:A, if they do it AND restart from scratch it would be the ultimate failure and admiting "Sorry, we're shitty writers" How did they ignore continuity, the two things I found to be lore breaking were the Asari pronouns things, someone had to bring that up to me, and how SAM kinda felt like a silly way to incorporate synthesis. Outside of that I'm not really seeing it. The latter is not really a lore break though. |
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Post by Guts on Sept 26, 2017 7:49:24 GMT
Yes. You control your character, not NPCs. That's why they are called NPCS, Non-Playable Characters. Just because you choose the Professional option, the only person that affects is Ryder. Also it's not like you can't speak out against their behavior, and when push comes to shove and it is time to get serious they get professional. We're talking about the story here, not just the PC. The story was written in a way that goes against your emotional choices basically negating a reason to have those choices. I guess it was too hard to write in some motivation for those npc's? I'll admit, I found the tone wheel to be a missed opportunity, hell Deus Ex Human Revolution did this right, it would've been awesome to have the tone you choose affect how NPCcs view you, for instance depending on what you say to Evfra, he won't be as accepting towards you and it would require more effort on your part to earn his trust, like another side mission form. I might've heard that this does occur on Kadara or something, but it feels very few and far between. |
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Post by Guts on Sept 26, 2017 8:00:08 GMT
How did they ignore continuity, the two things I found to be lore breaking were the Asari pronouns things, someone had to bring that up to me, and how SAM kinda felt like a silly way to incorporate synthesis. Outside of that I'm not really seeing it. The latter is not really a lore break though. I think I may have phrased myself incorrectly, I did find it weird how everyone was pretty accepting towards AI, especially considering AI was looked upon with heavy distrust and suspicion, namely due to the Geth, granted the Nexus officials did say that they were taking a risk with bringing AI aboard the Arks, but wouldn't they have stricter regulations on it. I also think the problems aboard the Arks and the Nexus should've had a larger overarching role in the plot, make it feel a bit more bleak. |
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Post by colfoley on Sept 26, 2017 8:02:51 GMT
The latter is not really a lore break though. I think I may have phrased myself incorrectly, I did find it weird how everyone was pretty accepting towards AI, especially considering AI was looked upon with heavy distrust and suspicion, namely due to the Geth, granted the Nexus officials did say that they were taking a risk with bringing AI aboard the Arks, but wouldn't they have stricter regulations on it. I also think the problems aboard the Arks and the Nexus should've had a larger overarching role in the plot, make it feel a bit more bleak. Ryder can express discomfort. Drack. The Firefighters. The Kett. Lexi. ...and most of the rest were neutral about if by and large. Only ones fully accepting it seems would be Suvi. |
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Post by helios969 on Sept 26, 2017 9:35:09 GMT
I would say at this point the only thing that could hype the greater fan-base would be a reboot of the original trilogy. Cannonizing the ending fractures the player-base and renews all the original bickering...not good if you're looking to start anew. And while I personally enjoyed Andromeda, I don't see a way forward that justifies 3 years and 50 million dollars of development. Reboot Shepard's story with a simple promise not to end it in a similar fashion and people will be excited. The real question will Bioware/EA marketing ruin it with "over a hundred hours of open world content..."
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Post by vonuber on Sept 26, 2017 10:29:46 GMT
I honestly can't help it. My biggest pet peeves have always been bullshitters In my 40 years of live experience i've slept with many a women if that's what your getting at. I've been blessed to be well endowed and I'm not shy in the least about it. Sure. |
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Post by Superhik on Sept 26, 2017 10:58:25 GMT
We pack our bags and make a fresh start in new galaxy. Canis Major, here we come!
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 26, 2017 11:44:23 GMT
The latter is not really a lore break though. I think I may have phrased myself incorrectly, I did find it weird how everyone was pretty accepting towards AI, especially considering AI was looked upon with heavy distrust and suspicion, namely due to the Geth, granted the Nexus officials did say that they were taking a risk with bringing AI aboard the Arks, but wouldn't they have stricter regulations on it. I also think the problems aboard the Arks and the Nexus should've had a larger overarching role in the plot, make it feel a bit more bleak. OTOH, since what the Initiative leadership was up to with AI was pretty much an open secret, people who really had a problem with AI would be less likely to be in Andromeda. They could simply not join. The Initiative seems to be largely composed of dissidents from mainstream MW culture, after all. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 12:18:37 GMT
I honestly can't help it. My biggest pet peeves have always been bullshitters In my 40 years of live experience i've slept with many a women if that's what your getting at. I've been blessed to be well endowed and I'm not shy in the least about it. Sure. It looks like you're curious. I ALWAYS have time for my fans...  |
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 28, 2017 14:28:24 GMT
I think I may have phrased myself incorrectly, I did find it weird how everyone was pretty accepting towards AI, especially considering AI was looked upon with heavy distrust and suspicion, namely due to the Geth, granted the Nexus officials did say that they were taking a risk with bringing AI aboard the Arks, but wouldn't they have stricter regulations on it. I also think the problems aboard the Arks and the Nexus should've had a larger overarching role in the plot, make it feel a bit more bleak. Ryder can express discomfort. Drack. The Firefighters. The Kett. Lexi. ...and most of the rest were neutral about if by and large. Only ones fully accepting it seems would be Suvi. There’s also the fact that Alec kept some of his SAM’s capabilities secret, and Nexus leadership was getting uncomfortable with just a hint of being able to do more than they anticipated. |
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Post by mannyray on Sept 28, 2017 19:51:55 GMT
I'm in a strange galaxy in the cold vacuum of space where I don't even know if we'll all survive and our Pathfinder, between her ears at least, is at the teen dance flirting on a ship full of professional scientists and a couple of military people. Yeah, Ryder's public behavior at that point in the game should be very worrisome, especially since it's been established that Tann and Addison are essentially waiting for any reason to ditch Ryder. I'm out or at the very least I'm going to get in a huge argument with Ryder, although I have the common sense to wait until a private moment for such personal grievances. Hell even other npc's in the game have the sense to do that most of the time. So instead of doing your part to ensure everyone's survival, you'll go AWOL and hide just because you don't like how someone else is behaving? That is far more immature than anything Ryder ever does. You're entitled to your opinion, I clearly defined why her behavior would be troubling to normal, professional adults in that context and you see none of it. Perhaps you simply come from a place where that childlike behavior out of grownups is the norm? I don't know. |
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Post by colfoley on Sept 28, 2017 20:01:07 GMT
Ryder can express discomfort. Drack. The Firefighters. The Kett. Lexi. ...and most of the rest were neutral about if by and large. Only ones fully accepting it seems would be Suvi. There’s also the fact that Alec kept some of his SAM’s capabilities secret, and Nexus leadership was getting uncomfortable with just a hint of being able to do more than they anticipated. oh yeah forgot about Kesh. |
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 28, 2017 21:39:39 GMT
So instead of doing your part to ensure everyone's survival, you'll go AWOL and hide just because you don't like how someone else is behaving? That is far more immature than anything Ryder ever does. You're entitled to your opinion, I clearly defined why her behavior would be troubling to normal, professional adults in that context and you see none of it. Perhaps you simply come from a place where that childlike behavior out of grownups is the norm? I don't know. You two are talking past each other, aren't you? The question is what you do if you're troubled by someone's bad flirting style. Hanako's saying "you do nothing." What are you saying? I'm not personally going to get flustered by a bit of immature behavior from a 22-year-old who is otherwise of proven competence and intelligence, but even if I was flustered, my answer would be "do nothing" too. |
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Post by mannyray on Sept 29, 2017 18:30:16 GMT
You're entitled to your opinion, I clearly defined why her behavior would be troubling to normal, professional adults in that context and you see none of it. Perhaps you simply come from a place where that childlike behavior out of grownups is the norm? I don't know. You two are talking past each other, aren't you? The question is what you do if you're troubled by someone's bad flirting style. Hanako's saying "you do nothing." What are you saying? I'm not personally going to get flustered by a bit of immature behavior from a 22-year-old who is otherwise of proven competence and intelligence, but even if I was flustered, my answer would be "do nothing" too. At this point in the game, none of the crew knows Ryder at all, plus she has a military background as a peacekeeper. No one seems to think acting childlike and stupid when the stakes are that high would be a red flag something is wrong--when you haven't fought or explored alongside the person at all yet. I guess maybe I'm showing my age. In the context of this game and at this point in the story childlike stupid and unprofessional are apparently the order of the day. There's a difference between working the counter at Hot Topic and trying to find a home for 20000 human beings plus more alien species. |
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