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Post by linksocarina on May 25, 2018 11:17:26 GMT
Yes, but not in huge numbers. Having the chick at the frontlines with prothetics was a joke. Common? No. Within the bounds of reality? Yes. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I've wanted a realistic WW2 shooter for quite some time now, and I was looking forward to this. What I saw was an attempt to take history and turn it into something edgy. Its me, I know, but I personally want something accurate. I've been into this already on another forum, and I've had my fill. This game won't see an ounce of attention from me going forward. This is such a reductive argument you know. Let's face facts, battlefield has not been historically accurate since 1942 back in the early 2000s. Battlefield 1 was a mix of period accurate set pieces and fictionalized stories, but fsr from accurate historically other than the little blurbs here and there they gleamed from. This is the same thing, only adding cosmetics for you to buy to customize an avatar instead of dlc content and loot boxes. You know, what people wanted all along versus what happened in battlefront 2. Get over yourself on historical accuracy. Play Verdun or other games for that if you want it.
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Post by CHRrOME on May 25, 2018 18:44:35 GMT
Yeah, being honest, BF was never a military simulator nor accurate or anything. Now, BF1 is a different thing, but in BF3 or 4, realistically speaking you wouldn't have your soldiers running around with Holographic sights and the most modern guns out there, plus the best equipment. You can't call on armor or jets whenever you feel like it. It's the army after all, they run on a budget. My gripe with 1 was that it went too far down the line as to generalize automatic weapons and having "rush type" combat. That was one of the reasons the game didn't cut it for me.
V on the other hand, all we have is that trailer that I really didn't like. But the game could still be fun, and it's WWII, if everyone runs around with automatic weapons it wont be that far down the line. If anything, I'm catutious about what EA is gonna do regarding in-game monetization once the game releases, after the shitshow of BFront 2 I think we have the right to be cautious.
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Post by Melra on May 25, 2018 18:54:11 GMT
Well I am done investing any time and money into Battlefield series. Too much SJW bullshit and trying to appeal to larger audiences, by placing them into points and events in history in which they had very little or part in. If you want to have an inclusive title with with varied characters in terms of gender and ethnicity, then set it to take place closer to modern day or the future. It is that simple, stop altering history and bending things to suit your agenda.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 25, 2018 19:13:34 GMT
Funny how those who complain about how it is SJW and altering history don't actually seem to know history. In World War 2 there were multiple countries that had women fighting. Not just support roles, but full on soldiers.
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Post by slimgrin727 on May 25, 2018 19:30:34 GMT
I was confused by the trailer. It's unusually goofy for a Battlefield game, but maybe it was meant to represent MP? Maybe they're taking more of a quirky, battle royal approach. As to the women being in the game, yes, they played specific roles in WW2, even in battle. They were never an ubermensch front-line soldier of the kind you play in these games. And the metal arm gal is just silly. The hero is a female Norwegian resistance fighter protecting her family, so we'll see how that's implemented. Could be interesting. The locales you play in and some of the mechanics do seem cool as well.
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Post by linksocarina on May 25, 2018 19:39:34 GMT
Such a nice comeback. But then again expect as much from folks with no argument.
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Post by linksocarina on May 25, 2018 19:43:54 GMT
I was confused by the trailer. It's unusually goofy for a Battlefield game, but maybe it was meant to represent MP? Maybe they're taking more of a quirky, battle royal approach. As to the women being in the game, yes, they played specific roles in WW2, even in battle. They were never an ubermensch front-line soldier of the kind you play in these games. And the metal arm gal is just silly. The hero is a female Norwegian resistance fighter protecting her family, so we'll see how that's implemented. Could be interesting. The locales you play in and some of the mechanics do seem cool as well. The trailer was showing off the multiplayer yes, and the combined arms mode. The metal arm gal and most of what you saw in that is all the cosmetic stuff players can buy or unlock, at least it was clear to me that was a focus vs the premium passes and loot box shenannigans. Silly...a bit, but all of the battlefield series is silly. Look at bad company, a game I vaguely remember playing that was really tongue in cheek. Once again though, the shift is less about accuracy, more about the cosmetics. The prosthetics, face paint and gender are all what folks can buy/unlock if they want I suspect.
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Post by Gileadan on May 26, 2018 6:58:29 GMT
I watched the reveal show and liked it, and then that trailer came and, well, greatly reduced my enthusiasm.
It's so silly and totally chaotic, plus many characters don't look much like WW2 soldiers. To me, the depicted action felt like crazy gang warfare with stolen WW2 tanks and planes, that's the best way I can describe it.
BF1's trailer impressed me. This one did the opposite.
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Post by General Mahad on May 26, 2018 18:13:20 GMT
Funny how those who complain about how it is SJW and altering history don't actually seem to know history. In World War 2 there were multiple countries that had women fighting. Not just support roles, but full on soldiers. Yeah.
In the Soviet Union, Germany (late 1944-1945), China, and multiple resistance/partisan movements.
Not in the British Army as front line combat units in France 1944.
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Post by General Mahad on May 26, 2018 18:36:14 GMT
Well I am done investing any time and money into Battlefield series. Too much SJW bullshit and trying to appeal to larger audiences, by placing them into points and events in history in which they had very little or part in. If you want to have an inclusive title with with varied characters in terms of gender and ethnicity, then set it to take place closer to modern day or the future. It is that simple, stop altering history and bending things to suit your agenda. Personally I think BF1 did it right with the Harlem Hellfighters, Russian Women's Battalions, and the Arab Rebels (though women participating in frontline combat in a textbook patriarchal society like Arabian tribes is iffy).
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Post by CHRrOME on May 27, 2018 0:57:05 GMT
Looking at a video about how the game is going to work based on the famous "closed doors gameplay" : *No random loot boxes. *There's in game currency used to buy all your shit (comsethic and guns), you earn the money by playing. *Can use IRL money to buy the cosmethic shit, cannot be used to buy guns or upgrades, or anything else. *You don't get random stuff, you buy what you want so long as you've unlocked that particularl gun/whatever through a progression system. *Progression system seems to be a bit more complex. I just don't feel like explaining it (I'm lazy). *Vehicles change appearance depending on upgrades you have on (say, different armor, some added gun, etc). *There will be some sort of weekly, daily missions, on top of monthly or something "themed" stuff. This presumably will earn you faster moneyz and progression. It's also class foccused, so if you play mainly as assault, they will toss at you mainly assault related events. So you don't feel forced to play other class if you don't want. *Customization is deeper. Can customize things like helmets and upper body, and lower boddy, etc. All at once. Video author is concerced about loosing disctinction in each class if everyone can look so different (it's a fair point). In previous BFs you can tell right away if the guy is a support, assault, or whatever. Same for guns, you have different parts, say buttstock, body, barrel, etc. * "Live service" was mentioned more times that I'd have liked (that is, mentioned in the first place).
Maybe some other shit too, but that's mainly it for now.
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Post by slimgrin727 on May 27, 2018 2:26:14 GMT
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Post by KingDarious BBB on May 27, 2018 3:28:33 GMT
LMAO I really don't play Battlefield like that, but I think some people are over reacting. I mean the video has 260k dislikes and counting don't even get started on the comment section.
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Post by General Mahad on May 27, 2018 7:13:54 GMT
Jesus I'm dying Man, I thought all the good Hitler parodies died with that awful Dragon Ball film. Also Hitler makes a good point, when are we going to get a CoD/BF game where the campaign is from the Axis POV? Strategy games and simulators do that well enough to not piss off everyone, why not an AAA shooter? LMAO I really don't play Battlefield like that, but I think some people are over reacting. I mean the video has 260k dislikes and counting don't even get started on the comment section. 260K likes vs. 270K dislikes Edit: Dislikes grew to 271K in the two minutes I typed and edited this post.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 27, 2018 8:10:36 GMT
There will be no women in the next trailer. (they will still be in the game )
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 27, 2018 8:53:32 GMT
I just read the reddit thread: www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/8lo651/is_it_battlefield_5_or_battlefield_vagina/Most vile dumb shit I've read in a while. Almost makes you think SJW bullshit has a point... Except it doesn't because it has the opposite effect of making these types of men even more condescending to women and minorities. That trailer is 100% politically motivated bullshit and the fact that there were women soldiers doesn't change that you can't make a Hollywood movie or game or TV show anymore without making women the actual heroes. Not only that, they are now BETTER than men. So our glorious modern feminism is turning the tables being condescending right back. That IS an agenda that I don't support. And it accomplishes NOTHING. It only draws MORE aggression. But damn, reading such sexist racist vile shit really boggles the mind in 2018. They are RIGHT that this is PC agenda. It's EVERYWHERE now. But all threads like these prove is that it's a pointless agenda. Just like military vegans only piss people off. This gender war is just awful. An orchestrated mess that I hope will end soon.
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Post by SofaJockey on May 27, 2018 11:50:10 GMT
I think you're asking for trouble going to the MGTOW (Men going their own way) reddit. It's an echo chamber for the sad and bitter.
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Post by Melra on May 27, 2018 12:08:42 GMT
I have to say that I hope this game fails miserably. We've already had this kind of bs with latest CoD when it comes to the WW2 setting, still funny enough the people the game was catering to weren't happy with it. Some minority group was always left without representation and that was enough to get panties into a bunch. If you wanted to make an inclusive title, it's best not to make a game based in historical setting. That should be obvious. I just read the reddit thread: www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/8lo651/is_it_battlefield_5_or_battlefield_vagina/Most vile dumb shit I've read in a while. Almost makes you think SJW bullshit has a point... Except it doesn't because it has the opposite effect of making these types of men even more condescending to women and minorities. That trailer is 100% politically motivated bullshit and the fact that there were women soldiers doesn't change that you can't make a Hollywood movie or game or TV show anymore without making women the actual heroes. Not only that, they are now BETTER than men. So our glorious modern feminism is turning the tables being condescending right back. That IS an agenda that I don't support. And it accomplishes NOTHING. It only draws MORE aggression. But damn, reading such sexist racist vile shit really boggles the mind in 2018. They are RIGHT that this is PC agenda. It's EVERYWHERE now. But all threads like these prove is that it's a pointless agenda. Just like military vegans only piss people off. This gender war is just awful. An orchestrated mess that I hope will end soon. MGTOWs are just a group of bitter and angry men, who seem to take their life lessons from older men who are just as bitter and angry when it comes to women. They are no different from the extreme feminists. But listening to that as a woman, should give you an idea how it can sometimes feel to listen to some of the people who identify as feminists. All in all, there's no point in listening to either side, unless you want to get frustrated by their ignorance.
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Post by CHRrOME on May 27, 2018 14:10:22 GMT
Nonsense aside, I'm actually a bit more interested assuming all the stuff they've been saying is true feature wise. The problem is that with some of this stuff you will have to take their word for it. The only way of truly knowing is when you buy the game, or you spend a good time searching for honest videos once the game is out. I will try to remain cautiously optimistic for now, hopefully they show a lot on E3.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on May 27, 2018 16:34:53 GMT
Ok I did some more research, and I still don't understand the outrage. I understand the game is supposed to be historically accurate, but I can point out many other historically inaccuracies besides a woman fighting in the front lines. Yet at least 90 percent of complaints seems be just about the inclusion of women. If what I read was right you have an choice picking between playing as a man or woman. So if you don't want see a woman, just choose to play as man there you go problem solved. At this point it's hard tell difference between SJWs and Anti SJWs. It seems like both groups just sit around waiting to be offended over something. If you are part of the other 10 percent that actually have detailed complaints, besides why is there a woman fighting the front line?. This obviously doesn't apply to you.
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Post by CHRrOME on May 27, 2018 18:10:27 GMT
Ok I did some more research, and I still don't understand the outrage. I understand the game is supposed to be historically accurate, but I can point out many other historically inaccuracies besides a woman fighting in the front lines. Yet at least 90 percent of complaints seems be just about the inclusion of women. If what I read was right you have an choice picking between playing as a man or woman. So if you don't want see a woman, just choose to play as man there you go problem solved. At this point it's hard tell difference between SJWs and Anti SJWs. It seems like both groups just sit around waiting to be offended over something. If you are part of the other 10 percent that actually have detailed complaints, besides why is there a woman fighting the front line?. This obviously doesn't apply to you. This is the way I see it: Battlefield as a series never went into the "political correctness" road, and after what happened to the latest WWII COD having black nazi women as elegible soldiers (and this is not a matter of racism, it's a matter of facts), some people are easy to loose their temper. People always praised BF for being a franchise that tried to keep things realistic, and sure, as I've mentioned this ain't a mil sim, but then again having compromises for the sake of gameplay like HOLO sights on every modern weapon is one thing, having Jews as your average Nazi soldier is another. The problems I've seen mentioned are basically: women as a front liner, a black guy in the front cover fighting hand to hand with white people (I know the way I'm setting this sounds racist AF, but bear with me), I particularly haven't seen it, but one of those western guys has a katana apparently. All of these on the front cover as if this was common day in WWII. Some people take WWII as a more serious event, even in videogames, so when they see all this inclusivity for the sake of inclusivity, they get pissed. So the woman, first she's using a prosthetic arm. I honestly doubt you could get any type of authorization to go on the field with prosthesis back then, men or women. Women themselves were never fron liners, and were a minority generaly speaking. Russia used a more substantial quantity of women in WWII and the Germans despised them for that, they though the russians were animals for having women fight in the war. There's a more basic reason why you don't want your women in the war: re-population. Millions of men die, no biggie, but if millions of woman die in your country, you're fucked. How is the population supposed to grow back without women? That's essentially the reason why women were never common, and still are not common in war. Of course depending on the culture you can go further to one or the other side of the balance. Black people in America at least unfortunately fought on their own battallions as racism was very much problematic. I remember actually seeing WWII documentaries of black pilots that after flights, had talk to each other because the white pilots would refuse to behave or talk to them at all. Not sure how other countries like the UK or France treated them. They were also a minority in the War in comparison. Now, for the game presentation all these people could just be some sort of super rare "out of the book" rebels or something. So the girl would be a rebel something something who cares not about loosing her arm, the guy with the katana (?) took it from a Japanese officer at some point as a signature weapon, the black guy fights with them because they formed a bond or something, and nobody wears helmets because... I don't know, they feel like not wearing one. Problem is that it's never explained on the trailer, and as a "first impressions" trailer is weird for many people if you don't specify what's going on. I personally think this is perhaps due to a cosmetic factor, they wanted to add as much variety as possible to be able to get a lot of different appearences, perhaps to get more people to buy stuff with IRL money since you no longer have loot boxes and the likes (supposedly), so they decided to add all kinds of looks inlcuding prosthetics and what not a la "pink Darth Vader" perhaps.
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Post by General Mahad on May 27, 2018 19:29:01 GMT
BF1 was diverse and hardly anyone was complaining because it made sense. Hell, Call of Duty: Finest Hour, which many gamers grew up on, had a playable Red Army female sniper and a playable African American Commander of a segregated tank unit and this was back in 2004. The idea that people are complaining that women are shown fighting in WW2 is hogwash (at least I hope so), people are complaining that a disabled British woman is fighting on the front lines in the British Army in 1944.
DICE could have avoided all this PR nightmare by simply making the British woman into a French female Maquis or Dutch resistance woman and covering up that prosthetic hand. The cricket bat could also be excused that way as she could have been a member of a cricket club before the Germans invaded.
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Post by linksocarina on May 27, 2018 20:05:44 GMT
I personally think this is perhaps due to a cosmetic factor, they wanted to add as much variety as possible to be able to get a lot of different appearences, perhaps to get more people to buy stuff with IRL money since you no longer have loot boxes and the likes (supposedly), so they decided to add all kinds of looks inlcuding prosthetics and what not a la "pink Darth Vader" perhaps. Well yeah, that is the real reason. But the games have never been wholly historically accurate, anachronistic guns and weapons on different fronts, use of Zeppelins and armored trains in Battlefield 1 as a game mechanic....to be honest...folks bitched about Battlefield 1 for portraying a black guy for a while being on the cover of the box for not being historically accurate. The same charges of political correctness, the same arguments of those damn social justice warriors. It's an excuse to bemoan things because people can, want to or are just sniffing for a reason to bash it. Hell, I lampoon the notion of it by writing about it in a satire article. Just another amoral crusade for people to justify their anger if you ask me.
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