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Analysts Report Battlefield 5 Pre-Order Sales Are “Weak” So Far www.vgr.com/battlefield-5-pre-order-sales-weak/Battlefield 5 – Official Gamescom Trailer – Devastation of Rotterdam Shows the battle royale mode which looks.....blech. Also why are the Brits fighting in Rotterdam which didn't see heavy fighting in 1944/45? A better, far more historically accurate, and vastly more important place would have been the Battle for the Port of Antwerp was absolutely rocked by V-1s and V-2s and had British Soldiers participating in it. Though in reality the battle for the port was pretty much won by the Belgian Resistance.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 17, 2018 20:35:25 GMT
eehhh well have to see.
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Ewww... Royale. At least it's skippable
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Post by Obadiah on Aug 19, 2018 6:57:24 GMT
Battlefield 1 Revolution (I think that has all the DLCs) is on sale in XBox Store and Origin for $9.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 20, 2018 8:06:51 GMT
A good video on the subject from Boogie, as others rage about why BV pre-orders might be weaker than BOIIII and RDR2.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 20, 2018 10:38:46 GMT
"If my daughter wants to be part of WW2, she'll be part of WW2." That man should be demoted to say the absolute least. And now he's gone. Just updating my comment
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Post by jaison1986 on Aug 20, 2018 13:11:45 GMT
I have to say I'm finding this whole situation with Battlefield V pretty amusing. These days there seems to be no shortage of devs who don't understand what their audience truly wants. This whole "get woke, go broke" thing already became a trend. I mean, look at the games that try to appeal to progressivism and then look at games that appeal to more tradional or conservative standards. God of war was a sucess, Kingdom come deliverance was sucess, now Red dead redemption 2 has every reason to be a sucess too. Meanwhile Andromeda flopped, Wolfenstein flopped and now here we are at battlefield V. My personal stance is that their idea to add woman to the game was not a bad one. But the way they did made sure they would fail. I mean, back in WW2 we had female snipers and pilots that fought for Russia, but instead, they have a british woman with a fake arm. Battlefield games are war simulators, not inglorious bastards. Why not make a game about real soldiers instead? Hell, look at Lyudmila_Pavlichenko. She alone killed over 300 nazi soldiers during WW2. This seems like the type of soldier who went through many battles in her time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 20, 2018 14:28:29 GMT
I have to say I'm finding this whole situation with Battlefield V pretty amusing. These days there seems to be no shortage of devs who don't understand what their audience truly wants. This whole "get woke, go broke" thing already became a trend. I mean, look at the games that try to appeal to progressivism and then look at games that appeal to more tradional or conservative standards. God of war was a sucess, Kingdom come deliverance was sucess, now Red dead redemption 2 has every reason to be a sucess too. Meanwhile Andromeda flopped, Wolfenstein flopped and now here we are at battlefield V. My personal stance is that their idea to add woman to the game was not a bad one. But the way they did made sure they would fail. I mean, back in WW2 we had female snipers and pilots that fought for Russia, but instead, they have a british woman with a fake arm. Battlefield games are war simulators, not inglorious bastards. Why not make a game about real soldiers instead? Hell, look at Lyudmila_Pavlichenko. She alone killed over 300 nazi soldiers during WW2. This seems like the type of soldier who went through many battles in her time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_PavlichenkoRight... cause adding Battle Royale is "historically accurate."🙄 Andromeda failed not because it was being "progressive" it failed because of many other issues.
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Post by jaison1986 on Aug 20, 2018 14:32:47 GMT
I have to say I'm finding this whole situation with Battlefield V pretty amusing. These days there seems to be no shortage of devs who don't understand what their audience truly wants. This whole "get woke, go broke" thing already became a trend. I mean, look at the games that try to appeal to progressivism and then look at games that appeal to more tradional or conservative standards. God of war was a sucess, Kingdom come deliverance was sucess, now Red dead redemption 2 has every reason to be a sucess too. Meanwhile Andromeda flopped, Wolfenstein flopped and now here we are at battlefield V. My personal stance is that their idea to add woman to the game was not a bad one. But the way they did made sure they would fail. I mean, back in WW2 we had female snipers and pilots that fought for Russia, but instead, they have a british woman with a fake arm. Battlefield games are war simulators, not inglorious bastards. Why not make a game about real soldiers instead? Hell, look at Lyudmila_Pavlichenko. She alone killed over 300 nazi soldiers during WW2. This seems like the type of soldier who went through many battles in her time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_PavlichenkoRight... cause adding Battle Royale is "historically accurate."🙄 Andromeda failed not because it was being "progressive" it failed because of many other issues. In case you missed, a lot of people also dislike Battle Royale. Black ops 4 is recieving a lot of mixed reaction because of it. I certanly don't like it. Andromeda failed because of several reasons. Preachy progressivism, shitty writing, technical issues and EA preassuring the team with a tight schedule. But saying the politics played no part in it's downfall wouldn't be true.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 20, 2018 14:41:12 GMT
Right... cause adding Battle Royale is "historically accurate."🙄 Andromeda failed not because it was being "progressive" it failed because of many other issues. In case you missed, a lot of people also dislike Battle Royale. Black ops 4 is recieving a lot of mixed reaction because of it. I certanly don't like it. Andromeda failed because of several reasons. Preachy progressivism, shitty writing, technical issues and EA preassuring the team with a tight schedule. But saying the politics played no part in it's downfall wouldn't be true. I was being sarcastic about your "war simulator" argument.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 20, 2018 19:49:03 GMT
Well, I'm excited for it at least.
Also no offense, but anyone who is arguing that games like Battlefield or Call of Duty are supposed to be realistic war simulators are mistaken. They have never been realistic. They try to make the atmosphere as realistic as possible, but whenever they can take liberties for whatever reason, whether that be for story or gameplay or so on, they always take it.
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Post by jaison1986 on Aug 20, 2018 21:02:26 GMT
Well, I'm excited for it at least. Also no offense, but anyone who is arguing that games like Battlefield or Call of Duty are supposed to be realistic war simulators are mistaken. They have never been realistic. They try to make the atmosphere as realistic as possible, but whenever they can take liberties for whatever reason, whether that be for story or gameplay or so on, they always take it. And no one complains about that, so long as it's done within reason. Call of duty WW2 had a mission were you play as a female french spy that goes on a undercover mission to assassinate high profile nazi targets. Turns out no one had issue with that.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 20, 2018 21:06:25 GMT
Google is truly fascinating. History is truly fascinating. This took me about 2 minutes and two videos to find.
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Post by jaison1986 on Aug 20, 2018 21:27:26 GMT
Google is truly fascinating. History is truly fascinating. This took me about 2 minutes and two videos to find. And this guy completely missed the mark. The issue with the players is not that the female character had a prosthetic arm. The issue is that there were virtually no frontline fighters using them during WW2. Something tells me they would be quite the liability in combat.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 20, 2018 22:19:53 GMT
Well, I'm excited for it at least. Also no offense, but anyone who is arguing that games like Battlefield or Call of Duty are supposed to be realistic war simulators are mistaken. They have never been realistic. They try to make the atmosphere as realistic as possible, but whenever they can take liberties for whatever reason, whether that be for story or gameplay or so on, they always take it. And no one complains about that, so long as it's done within reason. Call of duty WW2 had a mission were you play as a female french spy that goes on a undercover mission to assassinate high profile nazi targets. Turns out no one had issue with that. How is it not within reason in this game? WW2 had female frontline fighters in multiple armies. Sure some nations didn't but we don't know the full backstory between this character. For all we know they are a mercenary or resistance group.
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Post by jaison1986 on Aug 20, 2018 22:41:00 GMT
And no one complains about that, so long as it's done within reason. Call of duty WW2 had a mission were you play as a female french spy that goes on a undercover mission to assassinate high profile nazi targets. Turns out no one had issue with that. How is it not within reason in this game? WW2 had female frontline fighters in multiple armies. Sure some nations didn't but we don't know the full backstory between this character. For all we know they are a mercenary or resistance group. No, not in multiple armies. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_World_War_IIThe only countries that allowed woman to fight in active combat were Russia, Poland, Yugoslavia and Romania (noting that Poland and Yugoslavia female soldiers were part of resistance groups, and not an official army, while in Romania the only combat role woman fullfiled were of airplane pilots). So technically speaking, the only official stance of frontline female soldiers in WW2 was from Russia. Whatever excuse they give, it will be a crappy one. If they wished to be more "inclusive", they could at least have the descency of basing their female soldiers in real people who fought in the war rather then making them something straight out of a Tarantino movie.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 20, 2018 22:55:30 GMT
How is it not within reason in this game? WW2 had female frontline fighters in multiple armies. Sure some nations didn't but we don't know the full backstory between this character. For all we know they are a mercenary or resistance group. No, not in multiple armies. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_World_War_IIThe only countries that allowed woman to fight in active combat were Russia, Poland, Yugoslavia and Romania (noting that Poland and Yugoslavia female soldiers were part of resistance groups, and not an official army, while in Romania the only combat role woman fullfiled were of airplane pilots). So technically speaking, the only official stance of frontline female soldiers in WW2 was from Russia. Whatever excuse they give, it will be a crappy one. If they wished to be more "inclusive", they could at least have the descency of basing their female soldiers in real people who fought in the war rather then making them something straight out of a Tarantino movie. I count resistance groups as armies of those nations since they fit the definition. But fine, multiple countries had female front line fighters. Better? None of the soldiers we play as are real people. That allows them to give that character more freedom than only allowing them to do exactly what that real person did and why real characters are NPCs. And no, they can make plenty of reasons that aren't crappy. For example I mentioned a couple in my previous post: part of a resistance or mercenary group. Those groups existed and fought in WW2 as a fact so fits all those little criteria. Plus if I recall correctly that was a multiplayer trailer not a story trailer, so if that is the case and it was just showing off stuff in multiplayer then there are no criteria needed anyway. Unless you think MP needs to adhere to strict realism in which case every battle better have the side that actually wins that battle be the victors no matter what.
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Post by jaison1986 on Aug 20, 2018 23:06:49 GMT
No, not in multiple armies. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_World_War_IIThe only countries that allowed woman to fight in active combat were Russia, Poland, Yugoslavia and Romania (noting that Poland and Yugoslavia female soldiers were part of resistance groups, and not an official army, while in Romania the only combat role woman fullfiled were of airplane pilots). So technically speaking, the only official stance of frontline female soldiers in WW2 was from Russia. Whatever excuse they give, it will be a crappy one. If they wished to be more "inclusive", they could at least have the descency of basing their female soldiers in real people who fought in the war rather then making them something straight out of a Tarantino movie. I count resistance groups as armies of those nations since they fit the definition. But fine, multiple countries had female front line fighters. Better? None of the soldiers we play as are real people. That allows them to give that character more freedom than only allowing them to do exactly what that real person did and why real characters are NPCs. And no, they can make plenty of reasons that aren't crappy. For example I mentioned a couple in my previous post: part of a resistance or mercenary group. Those groups existed and fought in WW2 as a fact so fits all those little criteria. Plus if I recall correctly that was a multiplayer trailer not a story trailer, so if that is the case and it was just showing off stuff in multiplayer then there are no criteria needed anyway. Unless you think MP needs to adhere to strict realism in which case every battle better have the side that actually wins that battle be the victors no matter what. No, none of the soldiers are real people. But the soldiers we play in these WW2 games were based on real people. That's the thing, these characters were based on all the faceless soldiers that lost their lives during the war. What we see in Battlefield V is not based on anything that was remotely real. Like I said before, this is just inglorious bastards the video game. And I wouldn't have a problem with that if the devs just came out and called this game satire. But they don't, they are treating it seriously, and so, I do too. And maybe that was another mistake. If they released a singleplayer trailer with more serious content first, perhaps the devs wouldn't be getting so much crap from the fans.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 20, 2018 23:13:34 GMT
I count resistance groups as armies of those nations since they fit the definition. But fine, multiple countries had female front line fighters. Better? None of the soldiers we play as are real people. That allows them to give that character more freedom than only allowing them to do exactly what that real person did and why real characters are NPCs. And no, they can make plenty of reasons that aren't crappy. For example I mentioned a couple in my previous post: part of a resistance or mercenary group. Those groups existed and fought in WW2 as a fact so fits all those little criteria. Plus if I recall correctly that was a multiplayer trailer not a story trailer, so if that is the case and it was just showing off stuff in multiplayer then there are no criteria needed anyway. Unless you think MP needs to adhere to strict realism in which case every battle better have the side that actually wins that battle be the victors no matter what. No, none of the soldiers are real people. But the soldiers we play in these WW2 games were based on real people. That's the thing, these characters were based on all the faceless soldiers that lost their lives during the war. What we see in Battlefield V is not based on anything that was remotely real. Like I said before, this is just inglorious bastards the video game. And I wouldn't have a problem with that if the devs just came out and called this game satire. But they don't, they are treating it seriously, and so, I do too. And maybe that was another mistake. If they released a singleplayer trailer with more serious content first, perhaps the devs wouldn't be getting so much crap from the fans. And this character is based off the real women who fought in WW2 on the front lines. Even you acknowledged that not just Russian women fought on the front. What's the issue here then?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 20, 2018 23:16:32 GMT
Meanwhile Andromeda flopped, Wolfenstein flopped and now here we are at battlefield V. Just saw this. Which Wolfenstein game are you referring to that flopped? I don't play the series so don't know. Also, MEA didn't flop. Sure it got average reviews but it was a financial success according to reports.
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Post by jaison1986 on Aug 20, 2018 23:21:35 GMT
No, none of the soldiers are real people. But the soldiers we play in these WW2 games were based on real people. That's the thing, these characters were based on all the faceless soldiers that lost their lives during the war. What we see in Battlefield V is not based on anything that was remotely real. Like I said before, this is just inglorious bastards the video game. And I wouldn't have a problem with that if the devs just came out and called this game satire. But they don't, they are treating it seriously, and so, I do too. And maybe that was another mistake. If they released a singleplayer trailer with more serious content first, perhaps the devs wouldn't be getting so much crap from the fans. And this character is based off the real women who fought in WW2 on the front lines. Even you acknowledged that not just Russian women fought on the front. What's the issue here then? She is british. There were no frontline female british soldier in WW2. Period.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 20, 2018 23:25:21 GMT
And this character is based off the real women who fought in WW2 on the front lines. Even you acknowledged that not just Russian women fought on the front. What's the issue here then? She is british. There were no frontline female british soldier in WW2. Period. Incorrect. There were actual British women who fought on the front lines. For example they were part of the Special Operations Executive. They fought with the resistance movements in Europe, including on the front lines.
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Post by jaison1986 on Aug 20, 2018 23:35:47 GMT
She is british. There were no frontline female british soldier in WW2. Period. Incorrect. There were actual British women who fought on the front lines. They were part of the Special Operations Executive. They fought with the resistance movements in Europe, including on the front lines. Now you're just making excuses. The Special Operations Executive were a support group that did services of spionage and sabotage. They were not meant for fighting roles. At most, they had to fight when they got caught in their missions. But defenitely not frontline soldiers that went to the trenches.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 20, 2018 23:39:04 GMT
Incorrect. There were actual British women who fought on the front lines. They were part of the Special Operations Executive. They fought with the resistance movements in Europe, including on the front lines. Now you're just making excuses. The Special Operations Executive were a support group that did services of spionage and sabotage. They were not meant for fighting roles. At most, they had to fight when they got caught in their missions. But defenitely not frontline soldiers that went to the trenches. No, you're the one making excuses since I'm proving your assertions as inaccurate. You went from "there were no British women fighting on the front lines" to "there were no British women who were supposed to be fighting on the front lines". Yeah well, war is chaotic and many found themselves in that situation. Plus, a person finds themselves having to do more than they were enlisted and trained for? Sounds like every war game protagonist. But because she is a British woman now suddenly it's an issue.
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