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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Sept 10, 2017 19:52:16 GMT
Hey everyone, I'm genuinely curious if you think this small but meaningful change would have helped the game in expectations and standards. I thought the game was good and would have given it a 7/10 but a lot of my dislikes involved expecting a game worthy of the trilogy. Do you all think this would have helped by changing the title to something akin of Rogue One with star wars, as well as marketing it differently? Or would you still have felt the same way?
I want to get some other's opinions on this as well. Cheers!
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 10, 2017 19:58:07 GMT
We used to see this argument about DA2. Supposedly, if it had been called "Dragon Age: Rise to Power" or some such it would have gone over better.
I dunno. I'm usually willing to give the benefit of the doubt to any theory which has "gamers are idiots" as a premise, but the mechanism here seems highly speculative.
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Post by suikoden on Sept 10, 2017 20:05:11 GMT
We used to see this argument about DA2. Supposedly, if it had been called "Dragon Age: Rise to Power" or some such it would have gone over better. I dunno. I'm usually willing to give the benefit of the doubt to any theory which has "gamers are idiots" as a premise, but the mechanism here seems highly speculative. The game would still suck, so no - it wouldn’t make a difference. It’s like how Civilization:Call to Power was trashed... because it sucks - not just in comparison to the other Civ games, but on its own. |
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Post by Cyonan on Sept 10, 2017 20:06:45 GMT
For me personally it wouldn't have changed anything. I thought the game was mediocre and shifting the words in the title around wouldn't have changed that.
Even if they had dropped the name Mass Effect from it entirely it would have still been compared to the trilogy.
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Post by abedsbrother on Sept 10, 2017 20:17:03 GMT
Mass Effect shouldn't have been anywhere in the title or the promotional media. Call it "Andromeda: New Beginnings" or something similar. Shared universes aren't something new. MEA needed its own identity - but then, would people have purchased it?
"Rise to Power" was actually the title of one of the DA2 trailers btw.
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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Sept 10, 2017 21:02:06 GMT
We used to see this argument about DA2. Supposedly, if it had been called "Dragon Age: Rise to Power" or some such it would have gone over better. I dunno. I'm usually willing to give the benefit of the doubt to any theory which has "gamers are idiots" as a premise, but the mechanism here seems highly speculative. Yeah I have seen a lot of people say that about DA 2 Surprisingly, I only played the game once a long time ago, but it seems like everyone also felt like that game should have been a side story or spin off |
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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Sept 10, 2017 21:03:21 GMT
For me personally it wouldn't have changed anything. I thought the game was mediocre and shifting the words in the title around wouldn't have changed that. Even if they had dropped the name Mass Effect from it entirely it would have still been compared to the trilogy. I guess that is true to an extent that it would have would have still been compared to the trilogy, what about a decrease in price and different marketing? |
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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Sept 10, 2017 21:06:59 GMT
Mass Effect shouldn't have been anywhere in the title or the promotional media. Call it "Andromeda: New Beginnings" or something similar. Shared universes aren't something new. MEA needed its own identity - but then, would people have purchased it? "Rise to Power" was actually the title of one of the DA2 trailers btw. Yeah those are both good points, a shared universe would have alleviated some expectations right out of the gate, but then people might not have been as quick to pre-order or purchase it. I guess the only way to know would have been it if was marketed differently and etc. |
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Post by abaris on Sept 10, 2017 21:23:00 GMT
Wouldn't have changed a thing. I bought it because of the Bioware brand, not the Mass Effect one. And it failed to convince me on the Bioware level. Story, companions, lead character. All felt rather bland and empty. Not bad, but on the level of any given action game for which I wouldn't have even considered paying full price.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Sept 10, 2017 21:33:29 GMT
If you call a piece of turd Josh, it's still a piece of turd.
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Post by anarchy65 on Sept 10, 2017 21:35:42 GMT
Bad games are bad games, no matter what they are called
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 21:52:22 GMT
No rename would change what happened. What they needed was at least two months more to release the game complete. This would've helped a little.
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Post by rahavan on Sept 10, 2017 22:09:21 GMT
well yesh some people are still a bit harsh to ME:A. But on topic, OP ME:A was an average game nothing would have helped peoples ridiculous expectations. The only fix for ME:A I could have seen was an extra 6 months of development time.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 10, 2017 22:32:50 GMT
Nope.
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Post by river82 on Sept 10, 2017 23:47:27 GMT
What would have helped is if Montreal had just stuck with supporting the other studios and ME:A was given to Edmonton to build when they had the time. I'm thinking that would have made a bigger difference then "lets give the thing a different title"
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Post by themikefest on Sept 11, 2017 0:00:25 GMT
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Post by fchopin on Sept 11, 2017 0:57:29 GMT
I will also post my NO.
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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Sept 11, 2017 1:14:43 GMT
Wouldn't have changed a thing. I bought it because of the Bioware brand, not the Mass Effect one. And it failed to convince me on the Bioware level. Story, companions, lead character. All felt rather bland and empty. Not bad, but on the level of any given action game for which I wouldn't have even considered paying full price. This is probably the best and most reasonable response I have seen, very well put on how you look at the bioware brand |
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Sept 11, 2017 1:15:15 GMT
They could have called it Mass Effect: The Great Cosmic Fluffy Madness. Wouldn't have made much difference, I don't think.
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 11, 2017 2:22:33 GMT
BioWare themselves were the ones trying to play up comaprisons to the original trilogy within the game itself... so  |
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Post by Cyonan on Sept 11, 2017 3:38:45 GMT
For me personally it wouldn't have changed anything. I thought the game was mediocre and shifting the words in the title around wouldn't have changed that. Even if they had dropped the name Mass Effect from it entirely it would have still been compared to the trilogy. I guess that is true to an extent that it would have would have still been compared to the trilogy, what about a decrease in price and different marketing? Neither would have changed the quality of the game itself, although a lower price would probably have reduced expectations a bit but I don't think it would have stopped it from being compared to the original trilogy simply because it was done in the same style of the trilogy and BioWare tried to invite comparisons by talking about how it was trying to be like Mass Effect 1 with the planet exploration. |
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Post by Pearl on Sept 11, 2017 3:55:17 GMT
I guess that is true to an extent that it would have would have still been compared to the trilogy, what about a decrease in price and different marketing? Neither would have changed the quality of the game itself, although a lower price would probably have reduced expectations a bit but I don't think it would have stopped it from being compared to the original trilogy simply because it was done in the same style of the trilogy and BioWare tried to invite comparisons by talking about how it was trying to be like Mass Effect 1 with the planet exploration.I think this is something that gets overlooked a lot. "If you liked [x] in ME1/2/3, you'll love what we did with it in Andromeda!" and that sort of stuff. Even though Bioware didn't directly compare features (that I remember anyway, correct me if I'm wrong), they set themselves up for those comparisons with the language used in interviews and tweets. Combined with planting the idea that those features would be improved on, intentionally or no, and the criticisms become less surprising. |
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Post by Transcended One on Sept 11, 2017 5:23:06 GMT
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Post by Sondergaard on Sept 11, 2017 6:26:02 GMT
...nothing would have helped peoples ridiculous expectations. The only fix for ME:A I could have seen was an extra 6 months of development time. And what ridiculous expectations were those? A coherent story, companions I didn't want to put in an airlock, a viable protagonist etc, etc? It failed as a game and failed catastrophically as a continuation of the Mass Effect franchise. The only way this would have been well received is if it had been a first effort by a new studio, which I suppose it was considering the devs' experience. They had a much loved trilogy to use as a road map and apparently only took inspiration from the Citadel dlc. |
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