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Post by ZaudStorm™ on Sept 11, 2017 1:58:37 GMT
Is nobody really talking about this? Think about it for a minute. - We never get to see Alec's body to confirm his death.
- Why would he just disappear from the site where Ryder passed out? It has nothing to do with running out of oxygen.
- By the time Cora and Liam arrived, he was nowhere to be found. WHY?
Or is it just bad writing?
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Post by rolenka on Sept 11, 2017 3:01:40 GMT
It may not have even been Cora and Liam who made the rescue. An evac shuttle from the Nexus is the only way they got offworld. It probably picked them all up. Who knows where Cora and Liam ended up after the vault was activated. Or do we actually see them after?
Alec didn't have a helmet and was choking on toxic air. He didn't have a way out. Ryder barely survived brief exposure. And SAM would know if he were alive, unless Alec programmed him not to, meaning he planned in advance to fake his death in some way at some point.
It might be a little weird that Ryder never asks to see him, but grief is weird like that. There is no one way people respond, to the point it isn't even worth wondering about or having expectations.
Not having a memorial service, though? That is odd. Maybe it was held while Ryder slept. I think it was a pretty long nap, but I don't remember the conversation. I could understand them not wanting to put it in the game. Way too hard to make sure you do it well. It could easily be boring or overdone or unintentionally funny.
Not to mention, him being alive would cheapen some of the best parts of the game, from the memories to interactions with your sibling.
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Post by majesticjazz on Sept 11, 2017 3:30:05 GMT
Actually before the game came out I assumed that dad Ryder faked his death and for personal and selfish reasons, was working with the Kett or the Outlaws and he would serve as some sort of antagonist.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 11, 2017 3:53:44 GMT
Ryder sees Cora and Liam looking down on him. It's his last conscious moment on Habitat 7. He doesn't see Alec, but looking in that direction he couldn't have. I have no idea where the OP got the idea that Alec disappeared.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 11, 2017 5:28:12 GMT
I'm not sure why this idea keeps reappearing. ... and clearly so.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 11, 2017 6:36:49 GMT
It may not have even been Cora and Liam who made the rescue. An evac shuttle from the Nexus is the only way they got offworld. It probably picked them all up. Who knows where Cora and Liam ended up after the vault was activated. Or do we actually see them after? Alec didn't have a helmet and was choking on toxic air. He didn't have a way out. Ryder barely survived brief exposure. And SAM would know if he were alive, unless Alec programmed him not to, meaning he planned in advance to fake his death in some way at some point. It might be a little weird that Ryder never asks to see him, but grief is weird like that. There is no one way people respond, to the point it isn't even worth wondering about or having expectations. Not having a memorial service, though? That is odd. Maybe it was held while Ryder slept. I think it was a pretty long nap, but I don't remember the conversation. I could understand them not wanting to put it in the game. Way too hard to make sure you do it well. It could easily be boring or overdone or unintentionally funny. Not to mention, him being alive would cheapen some of the best parts of the game, from the memories to interactions with your sibling. The shuttle at the rendezvous site was operational; they were only grounded because of the lightning storm. It was presumably the one they all got off-world with. But really, every surviving member of the team, including Harry would have to be in on it, or else they'd just say they never found the body. SAM isn't really a factor since Alec can just program it to say whatever he wants it to. But really, faking his death would've been dumber than anything that actually happens in the game, since he couldn't possibly hatch a viable scheme with all these crazy unknowns that he had no way to plan in advance for, like the scourge, the kett or the exiles. As for a ceremony, I don't think that would've been necessary. If I was going to actually have the body, I'd just have Ryder [optionally] visit wherever the Hyperion would actually keep the bodies of any casualties, like if Harry were to direct him/her to just look over it and have some brief dialogue about it. They probably would have just put him in an unused pot to store until he can get a burial somewhere. Doubtful he'd get the Aliens funeral with chucking him into space.
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Post by cribbian on Sept 11, 2017 7:14:59 GMT
Some things are as they seem
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Post by Serza on Sept 11, 2017 7:35:47 GMT
Dead as disco.
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Post by The Sith Emperor on Sept 11, 2017 8:20:25 GMT
Of course not. He faked his death to focus on his rap career. He's about to drop the hottest mixtape of 2186.
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Post by Scathane on Sept 11, 2017 8:27:50 GMT
Well, if he did fake his own death, then this probably would have been revealed in some future DLC.
So - yeah - he's dead...
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Post by krighaur on Sept 11, 2017 8:32:38 GMT
In one of Alec's memory you see the death from his point of view.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 11, 2017 9:47:16 GMT
When you introduce coming back from the dead into your universe with The Lasarus Project as canon, it's a legimate question as we never see a body. In fiction, 9/10 times if you don't see a body there's a good chance there still alive.
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Post by Serza on Sept 11, 2017 9:53:05 GMT
Of course not. He faked his death to focus on his rap career. He's about to drop the hottest mixtape of 2186. 2819, actually.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 11, 2017 10:42:32 GMT
......................... Yet .........................
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Post by krighaur on Sept 11, 2017 11:05:18 GMT
If Alec fakes his death, that means he faked his registered memories, then SAM is complice. But now SAM shares your memory, then perhaps he modified your memory, and made you believe your dad tried to save you ... ouch my head hurts
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Post by themikefest on Sept 11, 2017 12:21:00 GMT
I wonder if they recovered the body?
I would've liked my Ryder to ask to see her/his fathers body after learning he died.
Why did Carlyle say "he died like a hero" instead of giving a straight answer when asked how Alec died?
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 11, 2017 12:41:18 GMT
I'm not sure why this idea keeps reappearing. ... and clearly so. Yup.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 11, 2017 12:41:36 GMT
Something something triggered snowflake.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 11, 2017 15:58:34 GMT
If Alec fakes his death, that means he faked his registered memories, then SAM is complice. But now SAM shares your memory, then perhaps he modified your memory, and made you believe your dad tried to save you ... ouch my head hurts I'm gonna go with "bad writing"
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 11, 2017 16:00:54 GMT
I'm a bit confused. What's the actual bad writing supposed to be here?
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Post by Iakus on Sept 11, 2017 16:22:04 GMT
I'm a bit confused. What's the actual bad writing supposed to be here? For one thing, they could have just shared the helmet. They only needed a couple of minutes for the shuttle to get there.
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Post by xassantex on Sept 11, 2017 16:23:59 GMT
the man is dead. Question is , does anyone have the mean and wish in Andromeda to bring him back a la Shepard?
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Post by xassantex on Sept 11, 2017 16:29:08 GMT
I'm a bit confused. What's the actual bad writing supposed to be here? For one thing, they could have just shared the helmet. They only needed a couple of minutes for the shuttle to get there. i always wondered about that. 30 second each plus the few seconds it takes to switch. They could have done it. Or was Ryder jr already too intoxicated and gasping so his father wouldn't risk limited oxygen , if he was even able to assess such a situation at that precise moment.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 11, 2017 17:05:35 GMT
For one thing, they could have just shared the helmet. They only needed a couple of minutes for the shuttle to get there. Did the shuttle pick up Fisher first or after getting Ryder? Did they recover Kirkland's body?
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Post by rolenka on Sept 11, 2017 17:48:08 GMT
For one thing, they could have just shared the helmet. They only needed a couple of minutes for the shuttle to get there. i always wondered about that. 30 second each plus the few seconds it takes to switch. They could have done it. Or was Ryder jr already too intoxicated and gasping so his father wouldn't risk limited oxygen , if he was even able to assess such a situation at that precise moment. I wondered about it the first time I saw it, too. Maybe it's like how the airlines say to put your own oxygen mask on before helping your child, because if you pass out your kid can't help you. He didn't want to chance passing out with the helmet in his hands or Ryder's toxicity getting too high, and Ryder was too weak to press the issue. Also probably incapacitated by SAM doing all that interior redecorating.
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