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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2018 14:59:55 GMT
They are established characters from stories that have noncanon possibilities (chargers, sutherland's band), so they should only appear as npcs, in a minor-major sidequest/s. Definitely not as a LIs and both pair is a package deal so they can't be companions. 4 from the usual 6-9 pool? Nah, give us new faces! Aaron's issues were resolved in the comics and since the BW protagonists are glorified shrinks there's not much left for him in the game. Marius is basically Fenris 2.0 Part of me would like to see both ladies (especially since it's time we get some chocolate love, Izzy was a long time ago and she's the best) but neither of them seem to be a fit for this 'save tevinter, stop ancient gods' plot. Vaea would take up the 'elf slot' which is likely reserved for a freed/still slave or an undercover Fenny agent dalish. As for Tess my main issue with her is the 'canon' status, her inclusion could easily lock out Charter (although that 'relationship' seemed like a onetime thing that left an impression, one big enough to get her a rescue mission). Charter has the potential to be the best DA4 character. She can be a LI, a companion, have story importance as a double-triple-more agent (inquisiton/Leli, Fenny, new protagonist). I prefer her to the non-game characters. Also just imagine the easter egg banters with her and Harding (should she return too). I disagree that just because they come from a source that has noncanon possibilities that these characters can't be squadmates. After all, Cole comes from a book that has noncanon possibilities. As the devs have said, if there is a contradiction in the book or comic's canon and yours, that changes to fit yours but the rest of the story still happens. So in this case, instead of the Chargers or Sutherland's group it is just changed to nameless Inquisition forces. That said I do agree that they probably won't have all as squadmates. I think Aaron and especially Vaea can be, but Marius and Tessa will probably be NPCs that help us on a couple missions. I was just predicting what and whom for the romances would be if they do have one. Just because Aaron's alcoholism was dealt with doesn't mean he doesn't have room for a character arc. After all characters like Solas or Vivienne didn't have any real issues the Inquisitor had to be a shrink about. I don't think they will have the slave/ex-slave character be an elf, since that would be too similar to Fenris, so that leaves the City Elf slot open for Vaea. I also don't think they'll do a Dalish Elf who is secretly an agent of Fen'Harel since that is pretty much Solas. If we do get a Dalish Elf squadmate too, I imagine they will be opposing Solas. After all he is the devil of their religion. As for Tessa and Charter, I don't think Charter will be a companion. The game talks about her being Leliana's successor, so I imagine she will be in an adviser role like Cullen, Leliana, and Josephine. That doesn't exclude her and Tessa(they are definitely in an established relationship) from being a romance option since Bioware more and more have been embracing non-squad romances.
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Post by frozone on Mar 12, 2018 15:05:57 GMT
well.. here are my guesses;
two gay people.
two straight people.
two bisexual people.
as for the races/genders idk.. it could go either way.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 12, 2018 16:51:56 GMT
well.. here are my guesses; two gay people. two straight people. two bisexual people. as for the races/genders idk.. it could go either way. groundbreaking
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Post by phoray on Mar 12, 2018 17:08:45 GMT
Honestly surprised that Bioware doesn't make it atleast an option more often Because it's Two Scenes for One Romance Culmination that they have to Voice and Animate? I'm for them, don't get me wrong, but I can understand why not ALL of the romances have them.
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Post by phoray on Mar 12, 2018 17:13:14 GMT
Aaron's issues were resolved in the comics and since the BW protagonists are glorified shrinks there's not much left for him in the game. Marius is basically Fenris 2.0 I wish. He'd have to talk or share an opinion or really have any other personality trait outside of silent scowl. He may as well have been a rock for all the energy he showed. His passion for Calpernia was sudden and unexpected and the only remotely interesting thing about him.
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Post by phoray on Mar 12, 2018 17:15:39 GMT
As for Tessa and Charter, I don't think Charter will be a companion. The game talks about her being Leliana's successor, so I imagine she will be in an adviser role like Cullen, Leliana, and Josephine. Andraste no. I sincerely hope not, Leliana and her equivalent need to stay South. Far far to the south.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2018 17:21:24 GMT
As for Tessa and Charter, I don't think Charter will be a companion. The game talks about her being Leliana's successor, so I imagine she will be in an adviser role like Cullen, Leliana, and Josephine. Andraste no. I sincerely hope not, Leliana and her equivalent need to stay South. Far far to the south. What did you not like about Charter, out of curiosity?
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Post by phoray on Mar 12, 2018 17:46:13 GMT
Andraste no. I sincerely hope not, Leliana and her equivalent need to stay South. Far far to the south. What did you not like about Charter, out of curiosity? I honestly couldn't remember why I disliked the woman, just that I disliked her. So I looked up her Wiki page: And I found that request to show several things. That Charter puts personal before business. That Charter puts her very short romantic joy with Tessa many tiers above a many year friendship between Tessa and Marius. Simply, I hate her for the audacity to ask and what asking implies about her as a person.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2018 18:01:05 GMT
What did you not like about Charter, out of curiosity? I honestly couldn't remember why I disliked the woman, just that I disliked her. So I looked up her Wiki page: And I found that request to show several things. That Charter puts personal before business. That Charter puts her very short romantic joy with Tessa many tiers above a many year friendship between Tessa and Marius. Simply, I hate her for the audacity to ask and what asking implies about her as a person. Just to make sure I understand, is the the part you don't like the part about her wanting Tessa to come back safely, or the part where she doesn't want Tessa to die for Marius?
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Post by phoray on Mar 12, 2018 18:06:18 GMT
I honestly couldn't remember why I disliked the woman, just that I disliked her. So I looked up her Wiki page: And I found that request to show several things. That Charter puts personal before business. That Charter puts her very short romantic joy with Tessa many tiers above a many year friendship between Tessa and Marius. Simply, I hate her for the audacity to ask and what asking implies about her as a person. Just to make sure I understand, is the the part you don't like the part about her wanting Tessa to come back safely, or the part where she doesn't want Tessa to die for Marius? Doesn't want Tessa to put her life on the line for Marius. I think from Charter's POV, Tessa and Marius are unequal business partners. Where Tessa cares for Marius but Marius doesn't return the sentiment. I think Charter has no clue about their relationship and made a lot of assumptions with the request. I feel like it shows she doesn't actually love Tessa as well, at a very minimum, it's a selfish love.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2018 18:14:35 GMT
Just to make sure I understand, is the the part you don't like the part about her wanting Tessa to come back safely, or the part where she doesn't want Tessa to die for Marius? Doesn't want Tessa to put her life on the line for Marius. I think from Charter's POV, Tessa and Marius are unequal business partners. Where Tessa cares for Marius but Marius doesn't return the sentiment. I think Charter has no clue about their relationship and made a lot of assumptions with the request. I feel like it shows she doesn't actually love Tessa as well, at a very minimum, it's a selfish love. Ah, okay. I was confused about part of that, like not knowing if putting personal above business was a bad thing to you since if it was many LIs are guilty of this. As for the rest, I didn't read it as negatively as you did. Sure you could say that her feelings towards Tessa are selfish, but then love is inherently selfish and selfless. They definitely love each other though, at least from how I read it. Anyway, of the recent comic characters which ones do you want to show up as companions and/or love interests. And if they are LIs, any predictions or guesses who for or what kind of romance?
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Post by LogicGunn on Mar 12, 2018 18:31:14 GMT
All I want is a badass human warrior woman in real armour with a scowl (a la Avaline or Cassandra) that will be romancable for a female protag. 3 times Bioware has broken my heart with DA, 7 if you add in the ME games. Is it daft to pin my hopes on the fourth DA game? Lesbian lovers aren't just sneaky rogues!
Or...a female romance option that is cute, sweet and kind but not an offscreen romance (like Harding) and doesn't make me feel like I'm taking advantage of her (like Merrill). Seriously, I can't romance Merrill. Her physique and her jumping on the bed makes it seem creepy. I had to restart DA2 the first time I played it because I romanced her and it felt wrong wrong wrong.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2018 18:34:58 GMT
All I want is a badass human warrior woman in real armour with a scowl (a la Avaline or Cassandra) that will be romancable for a female protag. Three times DA has broken my heart. Is it daft to pin my hopes on the fourth game? Lesbian lovers aren't just sneaky rogues! Or...a female romance option that is cute, sweet and kind but not an offscreen romance (like Harding), and doesn't make me feel like I'm taking advantage of her (like Merrill).Josephine?
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Post by LogicGunn on Mar 12, 2018 18:39:07 GMT
All I want is a badass human warrior woman in real armour with a scowl (a la Avaline or Cassandra) that will be romancable for a female protag. Three times DA has broken my heart. Is it daft to pin my hopes on the fourth game? Lesbian lovers aren't just sneaky rogues! Or...a female romance option that is cute, sweet and kind but not an offscreen romance (like Harding), and doesn't make me feel like I'm taking advantage of her (like Merrill).Josephine? Her romance doesn't really do it for me. I like taking my LI on my adventures and having their input on things. Romancing Josephine felt incomplete without it, but that's a personal role play thing. It's like the relationship doesn't exist outside Skyhold cutscenes.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 12, 2018 19:03:55 GMT
Her romance doesn't really do it for me. I like taking my LI on my adventures and having their input on things. Romancing Josephine felt incomplete without it, but that's a personal role play thing. It's like the relationship doesn't exist outside Skyhold cutscenes.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 12, 2018 19:41:53 GMT
If Vaea isn't a companion and a LI, I'll go full Anders on Bioware.
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Post by phoray on Mar 12, 2018 20:01:29 GMT
Anyway, of the recent comic characters which ones do you want to show up as companions and/or love interests. And if they are LIs, any predictions or guesses who for or what kind of romance? Out of the Four, Tessa, MArius, Vaea, and Ser Aaron? Tessa, lesbian: I feel Meh about her. And since I dislike Charter, wouldn't want this to be the poly couple. It'd be interesting for her to break up with Charter, and then we could woo her and she wouldn't get back with Charter Marius: Heterosexual, but very much based on personality and your brain so disinclined to sleep around. I feel Meh about him as of the info made thus far. Would like him as a rival to my romance with Calpernia. Vaea: Heavy Dislike and so don't care at all. Ser Aarron: hope he's straight or Bi so I can romance him as a woman. His Fereldan ties appeal to me greatly. I also like his tarnished hero vibe and am deeply curious what he did or was involved in that drove him to drinking. Being older, I don't think his culmination scene should be about sex, not that he can't have it but... I dunno. I hope his romance is super classy is all. No romps on tables or in hay barns.
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Post by saMoorai on Mar 12, 2018 20:04:16 GMT
Honestly surprised that Bioware doesn't make it atleast an option more often Because it's Two Scenes for One Romance Culmination that they have to Voice and Animate? I'm for them, don't get me wrong, but I can understand why not ALL of the romances have them. I can understand why every romance doesn't have a Cora level alternative to a sex scene, but for the romance scenes where the sex culminates in a fade to black, such as Vetra, adding the option wouldn't be that more much work. Just instead of fading to black while walking towards the bed, it would fade to black while holding hands, or smiling at each other or something. It wouldn't really affect me much either way, but I can see the value of adding small alternatives like that.
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Post by davkar on Mar 12, 2018 21:19:04 GMT
They are established characters from stories that have noncanon possibilities (chargers, sutherland's band), so they should only appear as npcs, in a minor-major sidequest/s. Definitely not as a LIs and both pair is a package deal so they can't be companions. 4 from the usual 6-9 pool? Nah, give us new faces! Aaron's issues were resolved in the comics and since the BW protagonists are glorified shrinks there's not much left for him in the game. Marius is basically Fenris 2.0 Part of me would like to see both ladies (especially since it's time we get some chocolate love, Izzy was a long time ago and she's the best) but neither of them seem to be a fit for this 'save tevinter, stop ancient gods' plot. Vaea would take up the 'elf slot' which is likely reserved for a freed/still slave or an undercover Fenny agent dalish. As for Tess my main issue with her is the 'canon' status, her inclusion could easily lock out Charter (although that 'relationship' seemed like a onetime thing that left an impression, one big enough to get her a rescue mission). Charter has the potential to be the best DA4 character. She can be a LI, a companion, have story importance as a double-triple-more agent (inquisiton/Leli, Fenny, new protagonist). I prefer her to the non-game characters. Also just imagine the easter egg banters with her and Harding (should she return too). I disagree that just because they come from a source that has noncanon possibilities that these characters can't be squadmates. After all, Cole comes from a book that has noncanon possibilities. As the devs have said, if there is a contradiction in the book or comic's canon and yours, that changes to fit yours but the rest of the story still happens. So in this case, instead of the Chargers or Sutherland's group it is just changed to nameless Inquisition forces. That said I do agree that they probably won't have all as squadmates. I think Aaron and especially Vaea can be, but Marius and Tessa will probably be NPCs that help us on a couple missions. I was just predicting what and whom for the romances would be if they do have one. Just because Aaron's alcoholism was dealt with doesn't mean he doesn't have room for a character arc. After all characters like Solas or Vivienne didn't have any real issues the Inquisitor had to be a shrink about. I don't think they will have the slave/ex-slave character be an elf, since that would be too similar to Fenris, so that leaves the City Elf slot open for Vaea. I also don't think they'll do a Dalish Elf who is secretly an agent of Fen'Harel since that is pretty much Solas. If we do get a Dalish Elf squadmate too, I imagine they will be opposing Solas. After all he is the devil of their religion. As for Tessa and Charter, I don't think Charter will be a companion. The game talks about her being Leliana's successor, so I imagine she will be in an adviser role like Cullen, Leliana, and Josephine. That doesn't exclude her and Tessa(they are definitely in an established relationship) from being a romance option since Bioware more and more have been embracing non-squad romances. But Cole wasn't a (potential) LI and his nongame baggage was reduced to 2 war table missions. Overall he felt like a 'new' character. Marius and Tess had unseen connections to the inquisition, Aaron and Vaea's story is ~done. They should have a side mission or a cameo. I want relevant companions, tevinter ppl (from slaves to magisters) and elves with Solas connection. That's my problem with qunari n/pcs too, it would feel weird to have a horned giant following us in the heart of 'no horned giants allowed' land. Aaron also embraced Vaea as a partner, boss(?). His only unresolved issue is the ostagar, but whether it's the ogre thing (->sad) or the hiding (->~that makes him a sort of reverse-Blackwall) it doesn't really matter at the point where his character currently is. As for Solas he had his thing: the whole friendship path (respect and preserve the past and stuff) and the trespasser final choice. Viv had her old dude love and power play. Tevinter elf companion can work, lots of interesting themes there, racism, slavery etc (this from a human only pc pov, but an elf pc-magister companion pairing could offer something similar too). Dalish is a similar deal; their own fake history, default shem-hate, elfy stuff. Yeah, if not as a companion then Charter would be the perfect advisor character, sort of a bureau leader in one zone. Like in DAI but with a bigger role.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2018 22:43:16 GMT
I disagree that just because they come from a source that has noncanon possibilities that these characters can't be squadmates. After all, Cole comes from a book that has noncanon possibilities. As the devs have said, if there is a contradiction in the book or comic's canon and yours, that changes to fit yours but the rest of the story still happens. So in this case, instead of the Chargers or Sutherland's group it is just changed to nameless Inquisition forces. That said I do agree that they probably won't have all as squadmates. I think Aaron and especially Vaea can be, but Marius and Tessa will probably be NPCs that help us on a couple missions. I was just predicting what and whom for the romances would be if they do have one. Just because Aaron's alcoholism was dealt with doesn't mean he doesn't have room for a character arc. After all characters like Solas or Vivienne didn't have any real issues the Inquisitor had to be a shrink about. I don't think they will have the slave/ex-slave character be an elf, since that would be too similar to Fenris, so that leaves the City Elf slot open for Vaea. I also don't think they'll do a Dalish Elf who is secretly an agent of Fen'Harel since that is pretty much Solas. If we do get a Dalish Elf squadmate too, I imagine they will be opposing Solas. After all he is the devil of their religion. As for Tessa and Charter, I don't think Charter will be a companion. The game talks about her being Leliana's successor, so I imagine she will be in an adviser role like Cullen, Leliana, and Josephine. That doesn't exclude her and Tessa(they are definitely in an established relationship) from being a romance option since Bioware more and more have been embracing non-squad romances. But Cole wasn't a (potential) LI and his nongame baggage was reduced to 2 war table missions. Overall he felt like a 'new' character. Marius and Tess had unseen connections to the inquisition, Aaron and Vaea's story is ~done. They should have a side mission or a cameo. I want relevant companions, tevinter ppl (from slaves to magisters) and elves with Solas connection. That's my problem with qunari n/pcs too, it would feel weird to have a horned giant following us in the heart of 'no horned giants allowed' land. Aaron also embraced Vaea as a partner, boss(?). His only unresolved issue is the ostagar, but whether it's the ogre thing (->sad) or the hiding (->~that makes him a sort of reverse-Blackwall) it doesn't really matter at the point where his character currently is. As for Solas he had his thing: the whole friendship path (respect and preserve the past and stuff) and the trespasser final choice. Viv had her old dude love and power play. Tevinter elf companion can work, lots of interesting themes there, racism, slavery etc (this from a human only pc pov, but an elf pc-magister companion pairing could offer something similar too). Dalish is a similar deal; their own fake history, default shem-hate, elfy stuff. Yeah, if not as a companion then Charter would be the perfect advisor character, sort of a bureau leader in one zone. Like in DAI but with a bigger role. Again, I have to disagree. Their story is not done, since the comic literally ends with having them heading towards Tevinter for their next quest for the Inquisition: finding that Red Lyrium and thoe who have it. Then there are stories they can do for them individually. For Aaron, they could also maybe work something in about the magical properties of Theirin blood, and as a knight of Ferelden he doesn't want to see the royal family's blood used in that way. However, instead of a squadmate I could also see Aaron as being one of the advisers, replacing Cullen for military plans. For Vaea, she can have a lot of connection to the story. A couple examples are her having friends or elves she knows joining Solas and wanting to save them from that path, and with her uncle having been with the Dalish he could have told her of something in Tevinter that now she realizes could help stop Solas. So she is sort of a mixture of City Elf and Dalish Elf. Regarding a couple other things you said, I can see those working together. For example you mentioned it not making sense for a qunari to be wandering around, but what if our qunari companion is the one with the slave backstory. That explains them not being seen as out of place and allows those themes to be explored with a squadmate. And I definitely think a male elf being a magister or at least a high-ranking mage would be an interesting companion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2018 22:44:05 GMT
Her romance doesn't really do it for me. I like taking my LI on my adventures and having their input on things. Romancing Josephine felt incomplete without it, but that's a personal role play thing. It's like the relationship doesn't exist outside Skyhold cutscenes. Ah, okay. I didn't realize that was also a prerequisite so was confused.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2018 22:45:03 GMT
Anyway, of the recent comic characters which ones do you want to show up as companions and/or love interests. And if they are LIs, any predictions or guesses who for or what kind of romance? Out of the Four, Tessa, MArius, Vaea, and Ser Aaron? Tessa, lesbian: I feel Meh about her. And since I dislike Charter, wouldn't want this to be the poly couple. It'd be interesting for her to break up with Charter, and then we could woo her and she wouldn't get back with Charter Marius: Heterosexual, but very much based on personality and your brain so disinclined to sleep around. I feel Meh about him as of the info made thus far. Would like him as a rival to my romance with Calpernia. Vaea: Heavy Dislike and so don't care at all.
Ser Aarron: hope he's straight or Bi so I can romance him as a woman. His Fereldan ties appeal to me greatly. I also like his tarnished hero vibe and am deeply curious what he did or was involved in that drove him to drinking. Being older, I don't think his culmination scene should be about sex, not that he can't have it but... I dunno. I hope his romance is super classy is all. No romps on tables or in hay barns. Why?
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Post by phoray on Mar 12, 2018 23:18:16 GMT
Why? I think I disliked everything about her and every word out her mouth. But I'll just settle for her Arrogance.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2018 23:25:27 GMT
Why? I think I disliked everything about her and every word out her mouth. But I'll just settle for her Arrogance. Examples? And what other things? Can't discuss if you keep things vague.
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