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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 11:33:32 GMT
Polygon: In defense of Mass Effect: Andromeda and other messy games www.polygon.com/2017/9/20/16332958/mass-effect-andromeda-defense-messy-gamesPulled over from the Twitter Thread. Discuss at will from whatever perspective you want. The reaction to this on the Twitter thread is that it's part of a regular pattern in the gaming media. So, is it regular for a game to be totally trashed when first released and then as those sensationalist clicks die out, for gaming media to revive the sensationalism by abruptly changing course towards defending the same game? As a refresher, here's a link to Polygon's original review: www.polygon.com/2017/3/20/14886618/mass-effect-andromeda-review-PS4-Xbox-One-PCAre we "being played" by the gaming media for clicks? If this is part of a regular cycle, why not just more level and balanced reporting from the outset?
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Post by abaris on Sept 21, 2017 11:54:26 GMT
I agree with the assumption of the game being 30 hours too long and three major plot points ending in a void.
The rest, well, that's in the eye of the beholder. The game isn't a wreck, it's enjoyable. It's not groundbreaking or memorable either. I don't think the media will pick up on it again, for the single reason that it's ordinary and doesn't make for a good story. There are so many games that went down the road to Oblivion. I daresay, the majority of games takes that path, one or two years after release. The truth is, MEA is entirely average. It's playable, it's enjoyable, but it's not memorable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 11:59:45 GMT
I agree with the assumption of the game being 30 hours too long and three major plot points ending in a void. The rest, well, that's in the eye of the beholder. The game isn't a wreck, it's enjoyable. It's not groundbreaking or memorable either. I don't think the media will pick up on it again, for the single reason that it's ordinary and doesn't make for a good story. There are so many games that went down the road to Oblivion. I daresay, the majority of games takes that path, one or two years after release. The truth is, MEA is entirely average. It's playable, it's enjoyable, but it's not memorable. Then, why not report it that way at the outset. In Polygon's shop, it's suddenly gone from being a game with absolutely no redeeming qualities that people shouldn't waste their time with to now "a beautiful mess" that people should play just because of that. What's preventing the media from reporting an average game as being average when it's first released? Why tug the fan base so strongly in one direction at the outset... only to shift gears with it later? People have gone on for ages here telling people who liked the game that their being stupidly blind to the game's flaws... but here you have an example of media reporting that, apparently, could see redeeming qualities in the game but absolutely did not bring those into their initial review... appearing to be stupidly blind to those redeeming qualities they themselves saw in the game. Regardless of whether or not you agree completely with their opinion... Why is it acceptable for them to come off so one sided at the outset yet so unacceptable for fans here to be of a single mind themselves only when they decided they liked this game. Why do so many here refuse to see that the vast majority of people here who have been saying they like this game are and have always been acknowledging BOTH redeeming and negative qualities of the game.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Sept 21, 2017 12:08:05 GMT
Well, since it's Polygon, we can be sure there won't be any controversy.
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Post by isaidlunch on Sept 21, 2017 13:00:23 GMT
This is the only paragraph worth reading in that bizarre rant, and most people who hated MEA hated it for the story anyway. They didn't "overlook" anything.
Seems like the author is just baiting for views with buzzwords tbh. Cult classic? MEA? Lol
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Post by cypherj on Sept 21, 2017 13:32:14 GMT
This is the summary of Polygon's initial review.
"After a number of complaints, it might seem odd to end on such a positive note. Let’s be clear: I’m conflicted about Mass Effect: Andromeda. There’s a lot of roughness throughout the game, and the technical issues, while not game-breaking, are often incredibly distracting.
But it’s my time with the cast that I’m still thinking about, and the mysteries about the world that haven’t been answered that make me feel like I’m waiting once again for a new Mass Effect game. And if I’m judging a game by where it leaves me, Andromeda succeeds, even if it stumbled getting there."
Hardly trashing the game, or saying it has no redeeming value.
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Post by auu on Sept 21, 2017 14:04:35 GMT
Maybe they had a differing opinion than the reviewer and were given the chance to say it. Maybe MEA really really is polarizing.
Reynolds wrap is in aisle 15 for all those who believe something more sinister is going on.
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Post by PillarBiter on Sept 21, 2017 14:11:39 GMT
Polygon: In defense of Mass Effect: Andromeda and other messy games www.polygon.com/2017/9/20/16332958/mass-effect-andromeda-defense-messy-gamesPulled over from the Twitter Thread. Discuss at will from whatever perspective you want. The reaction to this on the Twitter thread is that it's part of a regular pattern in the gaming media. So, is it regular for a game to be totally trashed when first released and then as those sensationalist clicks die out, for gaming media to revive the sensationalism by abruptly changing course towards defending the same game? As a refresher, here's a link to Polygon's original review: www.polygon.com/2017/3/20/14886618/mass-effect-andromeda-review-PS4-Xbox-One-PCAre we "being played" by the gaming media for clicks? If this is part of a regular cycle, why not just more level and balanced reporting from the outset? Of course the media jump on every click-train they can find. The masses are always being played. Why not balanced reporting? Because there's no money in it. It's a lot easier to earn a revenue by exploiting simpletons by mediocre attention pulling writing than doing actual work and investigating.
Learn to think for yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 14:31:13 GMT
Polygon: In defense of Mass Effect: Andromeda and other messy games www.polygon.com/2017/9/20/16332958/mass-effect-andromeda-defense-messy-gamesPulled over from the Twitter Thread. Discuss at will from whatever perspective you want. The reaction to this on the Twitter thread is that it's part of a regular pattern in the gaming media. So, is it regular for a game to be totally trashed when first released and then as those sensationalist clicks die out, for gaming media to revive the sensationalism by abruptly changing course towards defending the same game?As a refresher, here's a link to Polygon's original review: www.polygon.com/2017/3/20/14886618/mass-effect-andromeda-review-PS4-Xbox-One-PCAre we "being played" by the gaming media for clicks? If this is part of a regular cycle, why not just more level and balanced reporting from the outset? Or it could be that "Insert Game Here" has gotten many a patches after its initial release and has fixed those bugs that gave it a poor review in the first place. No tin foil hats needed. Just common sense. It seems a lot of people on here want ME:A's reviews to be based off of 1.10 instead of its release. Gaming reviews don't work that way and never have.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 21, 2017 14:45:04 GMT
I don't really give a rat's ass on the "gaming media".
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Post by smilesja on Sept 21, 2017 15:54:59 GMT
This is the only paragraph worth reading in that bizarre rant, and most people who hated MEA hated it for the story anyway. They didn't "overlook" anything. Seems like the author is just baiting for views with buzzwords tbh. Cult classic? MEA? Lol Maybe it will be a cult classic in a couple of years.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 21, 2017 16:03:21 GMT
Isn't this simply a case of two writers who disagree with each other being published on the same platform?
Actually, I'm not sure it's even that. Both writers seem to have pretty much the same perspective on the game. Serious flaws, but worthwhile stuff under all that. The point of the second article seems to be what should the community do with a game which gets, and deserves, such a review.
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Post by abedsbrother on Sept 21, 2017 16:41:50 GMT
Polygon: In defense of Mass Effect: Andromeda and other messy games www.polygon.com/2017/9/20/16332958/mass-effect-andromeda-defense-messy-gamesPulled over from the Twitter Thread. Discuss at will from whatever perspective you want. The reaction to this on the Twitter thread is that it's part of a regular pattern in the gaming media. So, is it regular for a game to be totally trashed when first released and then as those sensationalist clicks die out, for gaming media to revive the sensationalism by abruptly changing course towards defending the same game? As a refresher, here's a link to Polygon's original review: www.polygon.com/2017/3/20/14886618/mass-effect-andromeda-review-PS4-Xbox-One-PCAre we "being played" by the gaming media for clicks? If this is part of a regular cycle, why not just more level and balanced reporting from the outset? The article fetishizes messiness to excuse MEA's many issues. Not clever and not convincing. Game has been patched, but is still full of technical issues (on PC, anyway). So the whole "it was bad, but it's fixed now" is bs. I'm inclined to agree we are being played for clicks.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 21, 2017 16:46:16 GMT
I don't think excuses ME:A issues at tall.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 21, 2017 16:53:11 GMT
Reynolds wrap is in aisle 15 for all those who believe something more sinister is going on. Silence is golden, but tinfoil is silver.
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Post by abedsbrother on Sept 21, 2017 17:14:25 GMT
I don't think excuses ME:A issues at tall. "It’s also one of the most inspiring, optimistic science fiction stories in games this year, and I think you should play it." "a great deal of nuance and care in the details." "The moment-to-moment writing is absolutely superb." "The characters are engrossing and endearing" "Andromeda has all the hallmarks of a cult classic" Then the article claims Mass Effect Andromeda (and "messy" games like it) is misunderstood because we haven't created the proper critical structure to discuss a game of its size and nuance (the word "vision" is hovering, unspoken). And until that critical structure is created, "We deny our own power as an audience to define the works we experience..." Translated: we don't have the language to properly evaluate / critique ANY of the games that we play, not just MEA. "Cult classics aren’t created with high metascores; they’re born and reborn over and over again with a single person’s opinion." "It’s true! It could be you. You can always take the first step, and it’s as simple as reclaiming what’s been discarded. When a game becomes a joke, investigate for yourself. Don’t ask why a game is terrible, ask why so many are so casually dismissed." Yeah, totally not making excuses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 17:24:03 GMT
I don't think excuses ME:A issues at tall. "It’s also one of the most inspiring, optimistic science fiction stories in games this year, and I think you should play it." "a great deal of nuance and care in the details." "The moment-to-moment writing is absolutely superb." "The characters are engrossing and endearing" "Andromeda has all the hallmarks of a cult classic" Then the article claims Mass Effect Andromeda (and "messy" games like it) is misunderstood because we haven't created the proper critical structure to discuss a game of its size and nuance (the word "vision" is hovering, unspoken). And until that critical structure is created, "We deny our own power as an audience to define the works we experience..." Translated: we don't have the language to properly evaluate / critique ANY of the games that we play, not just MEA. "Cult classics aren’t created with high metascores; they’re born and reborn over and over again with a single person’s opinion." "It’s true! It could be you. You can always take the first step, and it’s as simple as reclaiming what’s been discarded. When a game becomes a joke, investigate for yourself. Don’t ask why a game is terrible, ask why so many are so casually dismissed." Yeah, totally not making excuses.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 21, 2017 17:35:04 GMT
I don't think excuses ME:A issues at tall. "It’s also one of the most inspiring, optimistic science fiction stories in games this year, and I think you should play it." "a great deal of nuance and care in the details." "The moment-to-moment writing is absolutely superb." "The characters are engrossing and endearing" "Andromeda has all the hallmarks of a cult classic" Then the article claims Mass Effect Andromeda (and "messy" games like it) is misunderstood because we haven't created the proper critical structure to discuss a game of its size and nuance (the word "vision" is hovering, unspoken). And until that critical structure is created, "We deny our own power as an audience to define the works we experience..." Translated: we don't have the language to properly evaluate / critique ANY of the games that we play, not just MEA. "Cult classics aren’t created with high metascores; they’re born and reborn over and over again with a single person’s opinion." "It’s true! It could be you. You can always take the first step, and it’s as simple as reclaiming what’s been discarded. When a game becomes a joke, investigate for yourself. Don’t ask why a game is terrible, ask why so many are so casually dismissed." Yeah, totally not making excuses. Yeah that it's what the author believes that it has the makings of a cult classic. They're saying despite the flaws the author feels that there is something brilliant in the game. Opinion a change over time, will it happen to ME: A? I don't know.
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Post by kino on Sept 21, 2017 17:36:47 GMT
Eh, it's two different authors with two different viewpoints. Now if it had been the same author both times I'd think it'd be an example of the publisher posting for clicks.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 21, 2017 17:38:18 GMT
Eh, it's two different authors with two different viewpoints. Now if it had been the same author both times I'd think it'd be an example of the publisher posting for clicks. That was my take-away as well. The first was the review and the second was a look back with perspective by a different author.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 17:39:17 GMT
Isn't this simply a case of two writers who disagree with each other being published on the same platform? Actually, I'm not sure it's even that. Both writers seem to have pretty much the same perspective on the game. Serious flaws, but worthwhile stuff under all that. The point of the second article seems to be what should the community do with a game which gets, and deserves, such a review. Yes, it could well be. Why then doesn't Polygon itself take some responsibility for balancing what goes through their site instead of encouraging this sort of pendulum reporting? To me, the motive is clicks (money). It's obvious... but how far are we willing to let this sort of thing slide... putting it off to people meming just for a good laugh, etc.. Why is it such a sin here to suggest some valid criticisms of the media itself is overdue? Afterall, when I read this on our Twitter thread, the first couple of comments on it there were clearly implying that this sort of thing was part of a regular cycle in the gaming world.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 17:57:36 GMT
Isn't this simply a case of two writers who disagree with each other being published on the same platform? Actually, I'm not sure it's even that. Both writers seem to have pretty much the same perspective on the game. Serious flaws, but worthwhile stuff under all that. The point of the second article seems to be what should the community do with a game which gets, and deserves, such a review. Yes, it could well be. Why then doesn't Polygon itself take some responsibility for balancing what goes through their site instead of encouraging this sort of pendulum reporting? To me, the motive is clicks (money). It's obvious... but how far are we willing to let this sort of thing slide... putting it off to people meming just for a good laugh, etc.. Why is it such a sin here to suggest some valid criticisms of the media itself is overdue? Afterall, when I read this on our Twitter thread, the first couple of comments on it there were clearly implying that this sort of thing was part of a regular cycle in the gaming world. Seems to me that you want the goal post to be moved here. She very clearly says in her opening statement that the game had flaws... ...not to mention that this is an opinion piece as opposed to a non biased review. Looking back at a game after most of the bugs have been fixed isn't the same as when you review during its problems. I have to ask...Do games like "No Mans Sky", "The Technomancer" and various others deserve the hate they got for the same problems that ME:A had or is somehow ME:A being bullied just because it's a Bioware game? Answer... ...They all deserved the scores that they got based off of the release version. Your (or mine) pleasure in playing the game solely based on being able to look beyond those bugs and related issues still doesn't mean that they're not there.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Sept 21, 2017 17:57:49 GMT
I don't understand how she can state this, "The central question is asked alongside questions about the naïveté of explorers in a hostile new territory, the baggage of old relations between species and the dissolution of a family unit. These questions constantly hijack each other, making the game feel unfocused instead of sprawling."
And sincerely believe this at the same time.
"The synthetic/organic relationship felt more personal because it was given some space to be explored honestly. It wasn’t honed or buffed away during the production."
The narrartive "messiness" aka the scatterbrained plot of MEA prevents you as a player (in my humble opinion) to really engage in any of these disjointed themes because their regularly fighting each other for screen time. That's why Alec dies before you get an opportunity to really care about him, that's why SAM doesn't actually get a lot of character development and just feels like a tool, and that's why actual exploration takes a backseat to fighting Space Nazis. MEA wanted to do it all and as a conseqence ended up with a bunch of underdelevoped storylines that I'm sure they thought they could expand upon in a sequel. Jokes on them though.
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Post by Cyonan on Sept 21, 2017 18:11:45 GMT
The "In defense of Mass Effect Andromeda" article is an opinion piece and is categorized as such on the site, so it's just a case of an individual writer having a different view from the guy they handed the review to.
An opinion piece appearing on a news site isn't just normal for gaming, it's normal for the entire news industry. Though the point of labeling it as opinion lets the reader know going in that it's obviously going to be biased, as opposed to what should be unbiased reporting for normal news articles(even if it doesn't always end up that way).
There are a number of valid criticisms of gaming media and I disagree with a lot of what that article says, but it's hardly a terrible thing that somebody posted their opinion in an article.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 21, 2017 18:35:22 GMT
This is the only paragraph worth reading in that bizarre rant, and most people who hated MEA hated it for the story anyway. They didn't "overlook" anything. Seems like the author is just baiting for views with buzzwords tbh. Cult classic? MEA? Lol If we're being fair (we always are!), "cult classic" isn't necessarily the same as "good". Just look at The Warriors.
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