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Post by mannyray on Sept 26, 2017 13:48:41 GMT
I'd hardly describe her that way. Isn't her voice mid-range for females?
No offense but neither of you hear with my ears. To me, her voice is too high-pitched, especially when she's shrieking, "Let's do this!" whenever I drive by an enemy camp or "GOGOGO!" while running away from vault smoke. And the giggling makes me want to .
If you played the game there is no way you'd find her voice high pitched and squeaky whether you actually liked the voiceover or not. someday a harsh critic of the game may have actually played it. no offense.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 26, 2017 14:39:39 GMT
But surely how high a voice is pitched is an objective fact. Pitch is a matter of frequency. Are you sure "high-pitched" is the right word for what you're describing?
Yes, the actual number is objective, but what it sounds like to people is not. Should I just say "annoying" and be rather vague about it instead? My complaint has nothing to do with quality of work - it is simply I do not like the sound of her voice, for various reasons, the pitch being one of them.
So hig-pitched doesn't actually mean high-pitched, it means..... something that sounds the way you imagine high-pitched things sound? I'm kind of big on words having actual meanings, myself. I'll take vague over wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 14:47:57 GMT
Yes, the actual number is objective, but what it sounds like to people is not. Should I just say "annoying" and be rather vague about it instead? My complaint has nothing to do with quality of work - it is simply I do not like the sound of her voice, for various reasons, the pitch being one of them.
So hig-pitched doesn't actually mean high-pitched, it means..... something that sounds the way you imagine high-pitched things sound? I'm kind of big on words having actual meanings, myself. I'll take vague over wrong. I'm not saying that he's right but it could fall more inline with annoyance. I listen to just about everything but country. Something about it makes my ears want to bleed.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Sept 26, 2017 15:13:47 GMT
It's really weird that ME fans always hate the male VA. I thought all four turned in great performances.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 15:20:44 GMT
It's really weird that ME fans always hate the male VA. I thought all four turned in great performances. Not really. This forum is basically... -MET vs ME:A -Male vs Female -Shepard vs Ryder -Companion vs Companion -Linear vs Open World I think it pretty much falls right inline with the rest. Edit: I find it more odd that people who hate on Shepard and such use to be up his ass in the old forum.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 26, 2017 15:42:39 GMT
It's really weird that ME fans always hate the male VA. I thought all four turned in great performances. Since the trilogy had only one (male) protagonist, unlike DA, I don't quite understand. Or are you saying the ME fans are biased while DA fans are not? I personally thought Mark Meer was god awful. I loved Hale's performance. But I like both Hawkes, was unhappy with the inquisitor in general but actually liked British male better than British female, and I much prefer male Ryder. However, while my gripes with Meer actually have to do with his emotionless delivery, I blame the directions given to the voice actors in DAI for the boring result. Because Alix Wilton Regan was great as Traynor but that spark was gone in DAI. They must have been told to speak their lines in this boring school teacher voice. Both British actors sounded like that. They have beautiful voices but they weren't given the right kind of material to shine. In MEA, it comes down to the very nature of Ryder, I suppose. Bioware wanted the character to be pleasantly spineless. Not much the actors could do with that once more... That said, Wolff's voice simply annoys the crap out of me. So it's not even performance or skill for me. Just the sound of her voice. It's a first for me in a Bioware game.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Sept 26, 2017 15:50:49 GMT
It's really weird that ME fans always hate the male VA. I thought all four turned in great performances. Not really. This forum is basically... -MET vs ME:A -Male vs Female -Shepard vs Ryder -Companion vs Companion -Linear vs Open World I think it pretty much falls right in line with the rest. Edit: I find it more odd that people who hate on Shepard and such use to be up his ass in the old forum. Er. I'm not sure what the relevance of any of that is. I never said VAs are the only topic of discussion. I'm talking about the tendency to be effusive in praise for the female VA and dismissive of the male VA. I've been on BioWare forums since BioBoards in the 2000s. It's really weird that ME fans always hate the male VA. I thought all four turned in great performances. Since the trilogy had only one (male) protagonist, unlike DA, I don't quite understand. Or are you saying the ME fans are biased while DA fans are not?I personally thought Mark Meer was god awful. I loved Hale's performance. But I like both Hawkes, was unhappy with the inquisitor in general but actually liked British male better than British female, and I much prefer male Ryder. However, while my gripes with Meer actually have to do with his emotionless delivery, I blame the directions given to the voice actors in DAI for the boring result. Because Alix Wilton Regan was great as Traynor but that spark was gone in DAI. They must have been told to speak their lines in this boring school teacher voice. Both British actors sounded like that. They have beautiful voices but they weren't given the right kind of material to shine. In MEA, it comes down to the very nature of Ryder, I suppose. Bioware wanted the character to be pleasantly spineless. Not much the actors could do with that once more... That said, Wolff's voice simply annoys the crap out of me. So it's not even performance or skill for me. Just the sound of her voice. It's a first for me in a Bioware game. This. (Oh and by all four I mean female Shepard, female Ryder, male Shepard, male Ryder) I didn't hear nearly as much hate for, say, male Hawke as I do for Meer's Shepard (who's fantastic, at least if you play a more sarcastic Shepard). I did grow to like FemShep a lot and I had several of both Shepards, but there was almost a forced-sounding gruffness to early FemShep. I didn't especially like either Ryder but I'm not sure I can blame the actors so much as Ryder being the dullest protagonist of any BioWare game.
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Post by Superhik on Sept 26, 2017 16:49:10 GMT
Did a good job, Mryder was too flat and inpersonable. Not on Camille Luddington's level though ( damn that is good to listen).
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Post by Steelcan on Sept 26, 2017 16:49:11 GMT
I don't think Steelcan was calling her lazy. Unless I'm mistaken, he was implying that many of FemShep's fans naturally gravitated toward Sara. I also don't think Fryda's personality was in question. She seems like a really cool person. Of course it's not Fryda vs Tom. Some of us just feel strongly that Tom was amazing, and that it's a shame he isn't recognized in this particular poll. The way that statement was phrased, could lead one to suspect that her work ethic or abilities as an actress were in question. It seemed to imply that she was riding on Jennifer Hale's coattails which still has nothing to do with acting skill, and both of them would abhor the suggestion. That's why I also quoted the other poster; it was with the intention of providing insight into who Fryda is and how much work she has put into her career. In case there were any questions about that. Whether or not fans "gravitated" toward Fryda because of FemShep still has nothing to do with her acting ability. People are going to play female characters because they want to. I played FemRyder out of the gate, but that's because I gravitate toward female characters in general. I also played MaleRyder. Objectively, I think Fryda's nomination is well deserved. Fryda said in an interview a while back that fans were tagging both her and Jennifer Hale in posts trying to compare the two, and she said that she felt it rude to Jennifer, because you're effectively telling a voice actor that she didn't get a job. Voice actors are hired only temporarily, it's not like they get royalties for their work or are on a retainer. I think comparing Fryda to Jen is also rude to both of them. They are different people, different actors, and have strengths and weaknesses in different categories. I find it rudely speculative to imply that someone might like Fryda just because she's the "girl in the franchise." The only ones that can answer why she was nominated are the folks who did so, who aren't here to speak to that. The fact that Fryda is up there along with other male and female VAs, some of whom are more well-known actors (Nathan Fillion, Claudia Black, etc), makes me discount the idea. Same with the idea that notoriety has anything to do with the selection processes. If that were the case, why didn't Natalie Dormer or Indira Varma get nominated? Natalie is a member of the main cast, and Indira voiced two characters and did so very well. All of that is speculative anyway, and still nothing to do with Fryda's talent as an actor. As a voter, I am new to the franchise, so I am playing ME:A alongside the Original Trilogy. I like FemShep, I like Jennifer Hale's acting; my like of her had nothing to do with my opinion of Fryda. I also didn't decide to like Fryda's performance because I felt obligated to or because "she's the girl like FemShep." I like her performance because I thought she did an excellent job bringing the character to life; she wasn't stale and she wasn't a paper doll. Whether I like Sara's personality is also irrelevant; this is a judgment of the actress' performance, not how the character was written or the takes that were chosen in the editing booth. Did she invoke a response from me? Yes. Here's the fun thing about voice acting: It's not all done in one take. It's usually 3. Different takes will have different emotes, emphasis on words, etc. The take that the director likes will be used in whatever you're recording. I don't do VA work for games, so game VAs have a different experience. My understanding from listening to Fryda, Ali Hillis, and Tom talk...for things like what I call action dialogue (burning, dying, rallying troops, etc), there's no scene for them to extrapolate from. These lines are usually on a standalone page in the script. This dialogue can also be played randomly by algorithms in the game regardless of the situation. If a line on a page reads: "Let's do this!" The exclamation point at the end means that the statement is being exclaimed. Therefore, the volume of the sentence is elevated. Personally, if I see this in a script with no other context, I am going to read it in a shouty voice unless the director tells me otherwise or I see a stage direction in the script that gives me a context to follow. The caveat is to still do this in character as much as possible (are we really going to contemplate what Sara's motivations for burning are). I have a funny story about recording a satirical advertisement for my radio station. There was this one line I kept flubbing and I got mad at myself. I broke character and read it in this super sarcastic tone and that was the take that got used. That aside, I get that some feel strongly that Tom wasn't nominated. I feel strongly too, and the fact MaleRyder doesn't have as much marketing as FemRyder does. I was also sad that Danielle wasn't nominated for her performance. However, I don't think that slamming her while propping him up is the way to go about it. We also don't know what the nomination process for this award. It may be that they can only choose one actor from each game, and they felt that Fryda was worthy of a mention. If it were the other way around, I would be ecstatic that Tom was nominated and sing his praises all the same. They're both terrific actors, and I like their performances both for different reasons. I also don't understand how folks can't be happy for her. This is a breakout role for her. I have nothing against the VA herself, I thought her performance was fine, emphasis on fine, par for the course, slightly above average, good enough, etc... I don't think she deserves an award for it, I don't think she deserves to be nominated for an award for it. It was just ok.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 26, 2017 18:39:50 GMT
No offense but neither of you hear with my ears. To me, her voice is too high-pitched, especially when she's shrieking, "Let's do this!" whenever I drive by an enemy camp or "GOGOGO!" while running away from vault smoke. And the giggling makes me want to .
If you played the game there is no way you'd find her voice high pitched and squeaky whether you actually liked the voiceover or not. someday a harsh critic of the game may have actually played it. no offense. Having discussed nearly every facet of this game with melbella nearly every day for many months, I can assure you that she has played the game. As she said, perception is subjective. Maybe high-pitched was a friendlier but less accurate way of saying loud, shrieky and irritating? Being familiar with her feelings on the topic, I imagine she'd agree with these alternatives. Anyway, expressing the opinion that Tom was better wasn't done to degrade Fryda. We're simply expressing our opinions. Those who have chosen to champion Fryda are welcome to their opinions, as well. I really like Fryda, from what I know of her. I listened to many interviews with each of these VAs before and after release. She's awesome, and her career path shows how driven and talented she is. I still don't feel that she did a particularly good job with Sara. Honestly, I think it's annoying, but passable.
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Post by alihou on Sept 27, 2017 0:42:28 GMT
I think she's coasting on the goodwill Hale got for FemShep I've played 3 full Sara PTs, and two half-PTs. (One got bugged, one is ongoing.) Her performance bothers me so much that I don't think I can even finish my current game. Tom manages to salvage the most cheesy, awkwardly written scenes with sarcasm and wry delivery. By contrast, Fryda is goofy turned up to 11. It's horrible, in my opinion. She seems like a cool person. I wish I could feel differently. I will cast a vote for Aloy's VA in HZD. She was absolutely exceptional. I can't recall a single awkwardly delivered line. That game is so polished. EDIT: What a waste of time. I cast more than a few votes, many of which went to Ashly Burch and HZD. Then, GamesRadar requested my personal info to submit my votes. No thanks. I don't want magazines, and I don't want to pass out my info. It wasn't until recently I found out Burch voiced Aloy in Horizon! Burch was truly exceptional in Life is Strange.
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Post by melbella on Sept 27, 2017 1:03:42 GMT
No offense but neither of you hear with my ears. To me, her voice is too high-pitched, especially when she's shrieking, "Let's do this!" whenever I drive by an enemy camp or "GOGOGO!" while running away from vault smoke. And the giggling makes me want to .
If you played the game there is no way you'd find her voice high pitched and squeaky whether you actually liked the voiceover or not. someday a harsh critic of the game may have actually played it. no offense. I don't even know how to respond to the inanity of this post, so I will not. I'll simply thank Element Zero for having my back while I was at work and move on.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 27, 2017 7:36:33 GMT
If you played the game there is no way you'd find her voice high pitched and squeaky whether you actually liked the voiceover or not. someday a harsh critic of the game may have actually played it. no offense. I don't even know how to respond to the inanity of this post, so I will not. I'll simply thank Element Zero for having my back while I was at work and move on.
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Post by Serza on Sept 27, 2017 8:19:05 GMT
I'm thinking the problem is in part English itself.
Slavic women tend to have much deeper voices on average compared to their counterparts from English-speaking countries.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Sept 27, 2017 11:10:45 GMT
Honestly, she didn't deserve this nom, unless is a weak year or something. I couldn't bond, not even a little, with Ryder because of her interpretation.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Sept 27, 2017 15:20:49 GMT
I'm thinking the problem is in part English itself. Slavic women tend to have much deeper voices on average compared to their counterparts from English-speaking countries.
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Post by Serza on Sept 27, 2017 15:55:08 GMT
No. A tím chceš dokázat co.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 27, 2017 17:46:16 GMT
Honestly, she didn't deserve this nom, unless is a weak year or something. I couldn't bond, not even a little, with Ryder because of her interpretation. I wonder if the age of the player correlates with perceptions. I liked her performance fine, but millenials really do sound like that to me.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 27, 2017 18:09:51 GMT
Well I'm happy for her.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 18:19:54 GMT
Honestly, she didn't deserve this nom, unless is a weak year or something. I couldn't bond, not even a little, with Ryder because of her interpretation. I wonder if the age of the player correlates with perceptions. I liked her performance fine, but millenials really do sound like that to me. I feel it might have to do more with the writing. Tom Taylorson's voice is ok but the way she was told to portray Ryder may be what's off. It's like Peter Dinklage (a great actor) n Destiny. The Dinklebot came off as just plain bad. Then there's Nolan North (another great VA) in Swtor. The critique is almost universal that the male Consular had the worst voice acting. But as we all know Nolan is great at his job.
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Post by nvanfleet on Sept 27, 2017 19:11:23 GMT
Honestly, she didn't deserve this nom, unless is a weak year or something. I couldn't bond, not even a little, with Ryder because of her interpretation. This. I've tried to start a Sara playthrough maybe 3 times? I can't get past Habitat 7, because I just... there's something in her delivery that just turns me off. She's fine in the later stages of the game playing ComaSara, but as the PathfiderRyder I can't hang.
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Post by river82 on Sept 27, 2017 21:08:26 GMT
Wolff can't touch Hale. Don't agree with this nomination.
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Post by mannyray on Sept 28, 2017 19:43:39 GMT
If you played the game there is no way you'd find her voice high pitched and squeaky whether you actually liked the voiceover or not. someday a harsh critic of the game may have actually played it. no offense. I don't even know how to respond to the inanity of this post, so I will not. I'll simply thank Element Zero for having my back while I was at work and move on. high-pitched and squeaky are adjectives that indicate pitch, whether you find Fryda's voiceover work on this game good or not, it's a fact those adjectives don't apply. Her voice is too deep. All the whiteknighting for you won't change that. It was a red flag you were one of the people here who either never played the game or didn't even play eight hours worth before taking up the mantle of rabid hater. So yeah let's move on. I guess people are entitled to their own facts, yeah?
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 28, 2017 20:57:36 GMT
I actually adore Fryda as Ryder. For me, she fits the Ryder role far better than Jennifer (skills put aside). Whenever I saw a scene that I didn't like with Fryda, it was more due to the writing and animations than her skills or character acting. Along with the gender difference in visual appearance, I believed SisRyder as 'earlier 20s fresh wannabe leader' much more than BroRyder (sidenote: I hate how the custom BroRyders have too many facial wrinkles for their supposed age).
While I'm sad about much of MEA, I do plan at least one more NG++ after this NG+, just for SisRyder's sake.
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Post by river82 on Sept 28, 2017 21:07:21 GMT
Vocal pitch is a very subjective quality, there is no objective line where if you cross it you're "high pitched" and if you stay under it it's "low pitched". There are some voices everyone will consider high pitched but often voices will provoke different reactions in different people.
So what's interesting here? Well, it's a well established trend that people prefer lower voices ... even in women. Not "prefer" as in "find sexy" but "prefer" as in "find trustworthy for leadership roles". Studies and surveys show both men and women prefer women with lower voices for leadership roles. Lower voices (in men AND women) give an impression to people of trustworthiness, competence, experience ... and well, leadership. Why do people consider a pathfinder with (what they believe is) a high pitched voice to be a bad thing? Because it doesn't project those qualities.
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