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Post by Superhik on Sept 28, 2017 21:16:56 GMT
Hale was fine, but a bit too flat most of times, kind of had tired ring to it. But man she did poorly at MEII suic mission, couldn't go after it. Ryders VA were good for what they were going for, but here's the thing: they never should have been in position of leadership in game and it conflicted their character. It would actually be refreshing change from typical BW protagonist.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 28, 2017 21:21:03 GMT
So we've got an indeterminate judging standard informing how we implement a non-rational preference, and this is how we determine who's fit to be a leader.....
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Post by river82 on Sept 28, 2017 21:29:16 GMT
So we've got an indeterminate judging standard informing how we implement a non-rational preference, and this is how we determine who's fit to be a leader..... It's one of the determining factors, sure. It's not logical, it just is. Check out the image below which showed the rate of which female and male listeners preferred lower voiced female candidates in school board elections: From this article: www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/why-we-prefer-masculine-voices-even-in-women/266350/0.50 is neutral, so you can see how much lower female voices are preferred. It's why women are often told to lower their voices in job interviews, because higher pitched women don't tend to get hired as much. It's a well established trend, there's many studies out there that keep showing the same thing.
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Post by Serza on Sept 28, 2017 21:32:51 GMT
The only way I can see that happen is if Ryder was in charge of a small recon element or something. Like a reliable right hand to dear old Dad.
Dad doing the important stuff with two teams (Cora in charge of the other team) and giving you a scouting element to do whatever in an assigned sector. Could have smaller open worldy maps and more on-rails sections when with Dad, to say he's in charge but trusts you a lot and wants you to get loads of experience. Have at least a part of the game be a mentor-protege situation.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 28, 2017 21:44:45 GMT
So we've got an indeterminate judging standard informing how we implement a non-rational preference, and this is how we determine who's fit to be a leader..... It's one of the determining factors, sure. It's not logical, it just is. Check out the image below which showed the rate of which female and male listeners preferred lower voiced female candidates in school board elections: From this article: www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/why-we-prefer-masculine-voices-even-in-women/266350/0.50 is neutral, so you can see how much lower female voices are preferred. It's why women are often told to lower their voices in job interviews, because higher pitched women don't tend to get hired as much. It's a well established trend, there's many studies out there that keep showing the same thing. Oh, I didn't mean to imply that I didn't think it was true. I meant to imply that I thought it was stupid. Regrettably, true and stupid are overlapping sets.
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Post by Serza on Sept 29, 2017 1:38:00 GMT
I don't even know how to respond to the inanity of this post, so I will not. I'll simply thank Element Zero for having my back while I was at work and move on. high-pitched and squeaky are adjectives that indicate pitch, whether you find Fryda's voiceover work on this game good or not, it's a fact those adjectives don't apply. Her voice is too deep. All the whiteknighting for you won't change that. It was a red flag you were one of the people here who either never played the game or didn't even play eight hours worth before taking up the mantle of rabid hater. So yeah let's move on. I guess people are entitled to their own facts, yeah? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's hit the brakes for a moment, because I need to be certain I'm really seeing what I think I'm seeing. I'll try to make sense of it now, but you appear to instantly know how much gameplay the other person did... Based on their liking of a voice. And I'm sitting here, thinking... Usually when people say they dislike a voice significantly, they probably heard said voice. More than enough. Usually, I know. Still, should probably confirm that stuff before you start throwing them accusations around. A little homework of intel never hurt anyone... Well, most of the time.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 29, 2017 14:04:26 GMT
I liked HZD but Wolff blew Burch away. Wolff showed a lot of range and nailed ever and was a much more enjoyable performance for me, while IMHO Aloy was all over the place she never seems to a have any kind of personality in game, now if Burch was up for Aloy's mother then I might have went for her there (I think the backstory was more enjoyable) but as Aloy she was just meh. Not bad, but not good either, but then again I think Horizon: Zero Dawn as a game is vastly over-rated. I couldn't disagree more. Burch's performance for Aloy is no where as good as her work in Life is Strange season 1, and her performance as Aloy's mother was much better than Aloy. Some of it IMHO is that Aloy spends much of the game alone and thus she comes off as bland to me, and when she does interact with other characters she is all over the map. In some places she is naive to borderline stupid, in some she's a goody to shoes, in some other she's ruthless cold hearted bitch, and so on. She never felt to me she was a character but a series of character traits that never came together. Aloy has potential to be a great character but now she is little more than Sara Ryder and Lara Croft (from the reboot Tomb Raider series) wanna be. Sara Ryder was a character in no small part to Wolff's brilliant performance. She is the equal to Jennifer Hale in every way (and I'm a HUGE fan of Hale) and made her own character without being a copy of FemShep.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 29, 2017 17:50:21 GMT
Hale was fine, but a bit too flat most of times, kind of had tired ring to it. But man she did poorly at MEII suic mission, couldn't go after it. Ryders VA were good for what they were going for, but here's the thing: they never should have been in position of leadership in game and it conflicted their character. It would actually be refreshing change from typical BW protagonist. I don’t see how it could be refreshing to lack the ability to even so much as choose where your ship goes. Like, do we just do everything the leader says? Do I at least get the option to say fuck off, leave the ship and be my own leader? In a setup like this, I don’t want to be underling #3, because they can’t do jack about anything, unless a good old fashioned mutiny is on the table.
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Post by nvanfleet on Sept 29, 2017 18:03:37 GMT
Even if you aren't the Big Boss, if you character doesn't have any agency then there's no reason for them to be the player character. There *has* to be independence of some kind. Ryder was a fish out of water, but there was no flex in that defined personality. S/He was always sort of a loveable goof who got put in charge because of Space Nepotism. The few times they try to wear their Big Kid pants, all the other characters either walk all over them or roll their eyes, and rightfully so. It's amazing the crew of the Tempest succeeded at *anything.*
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Post by mannyray on Sept 29, 2017 18:44:41 GMT
high-pitched and squeaky are adjectives that indicate pitch, whether you find Fryda's voiceover work on this game good or not, it's a fact those adjectives don't apply. Her voice is too deep. All the whiteknighting for you won't change that. It was a red flag you were one of the people here who either never played the game or didn't even play eight hours worth before taking up the mantle of rabid hater. So yeah let's move on. I guess people are entitled to their own facts, yeah? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's hit the brakes for a moment, because I need to be certain I'm really seeing what I think I'm seeing. I'll try to make sense of it now, but you appear to instantly know how much gameplay the other person did... Based on their liking of a voice. And I'm sitting here, thinking... Usually when people say they dislike a voice significantly, they probably heard said voice. More than enough. Usually, I know. Still, should probably confirm that stuff before you start throwing them accusations around. A little homework of intel never hurt anyone... Well, most of the time. I'm not sitting here saying that this person in the end did not play the game. First impression on the description of femRyder's voice made me think we had another person whod didn't play it but had tons of complaints (remember "couldn't make white people?") So much whiteknighting over this. funny. Maybe I made mountain out of a molehill but there's so much wasted valiance here.
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Post by Serza on Sept 29, 2017 18:51:14 GMT
You should figure out the difference between a knight and someone like me...
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Post by Superhik on Sept 30, 2017 1:27:38 GMT
Hale was fine, but a bit too flat most of times, kind of had tired ring to it. But man she did poorly at MEII suic mission, couldn't go after it. Ryders VA were good for what they were going for, but here's the thing: they never should have been in position of leadership in game and it conflicted their character. It would actually be refreshing change from typical BW protagonist. I don’t see how it could be refreshing to lack the ability to even so much as choose where your ship goes. Like, do we just do everything the leader says? Do I at least get the option to say fuck off, leave the ship and be my own leader? In a setup like this, I don’t want to be underling #3, because they can’t do jack about anything, unless a good old fashioned mutiny is on the table. It is called "liquidocracy". The Mongols practically conquered half the world that way.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 30, 2017 1:32:54 GMT
I don’t see how it could be refreshing to lack the ability to even so much as choose where your ship goes. Like, do we just do everything the leader says? Do I at least get the option to say fuck off, leave the ship and be my own leader? In a setup like this, I don’t want to be underling #3, because they can’t do jack about anything, unless a good old fashioned mutiny is on the table. It is called "liquidocracy". The Mongols practically conquered half the world that way. The hell is that, and how would it be implemented in a game?
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Post by aslightjump on Sept 30, 2017 3:24:19 GMT
Technically both Ryder and Shepard answered to people, but were allowed a lot of freedom to do what they wanted. I don't think the games would've worked any other way.
As for Sara, her voice occasionally goes very sharp when she yells (I don't know if that's the right word but its the best I can think of). I can see how that would translate to squeaky for some. I don't know why a few are getting so up in arms about the idea of this either - while sound is usually objective, hearing is not, because ears are tricky.
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 9, 2017 15:37:12 GMT
I couldn't disagree more. Burch's performance for Aloy is no where as good as her work in Life is Strange season 1, and her performance as Aloy's mother was much better than Aloy. Some of it IMHO is that Aloy spends much of the game alone and thus she comes off as bland to me, and when she does interact with other characters she is all over the map. In some places she is naive to borderline stupid, in some she's a goody to shoes, in some other she's ruthless cold hearted bitch, and so on. She never felt to me she was a character but a series of character traits that never came together. Aloy has potential to be a great character but now she is little more than Sara Ryder and Lara Croft (from the reboot Tomb Raider series) wanna be. Sara Ryder was a character in no small part to Wolff's brilliant performance. She is the equal to Jennifer Hale in every way (and I'm a HUGE fan of Hale) and made her own character without being a copy of FemShep. Like I said, I couldn't disagree more. I think Aloy is brilliantly done, and that Sara Ryder is annoying and off-target. I've not played the other games you mention.
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Post by hivemind on Oct 9, 2017 16:53:36 GMT
And that's how you know game industry have a shitty standarts.
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Post by abedsbrother on Oct 11, 2017 19:13:33 GMT
Isn't her voice mid-range for females? Mid to low-ish, I thought. If someone wants to hear what a squeaky female voice sounds like, look up some Friends (sitcom) compilations with Janice.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Oct 17, 2017 14:32:21 GMT
I definitely have no idea what we're talking about. I probably shouldn't have started reading from Page 6. I also definitely know that my most important takeaway from this thread is that any way you slice it, "Golden Joystick" is an entirely wasted euphemism! OH WAIT NEVER MIND IT DOES LOOK LIKE A GOLDEN PENIS 8 D
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Post by Sifr on Oct 20, 2017 22:29:30 GMT
I definitely have no idea what we're talking about. I probably shouldn't have started reading from Page 6. I also definitely know that my most important takeaway from this thread is that any way you slice it, "Golden Joystick" is an entirely wasted euphemism! OH WAIT NEVER MIND IT DOES LOOK LIKE A GOLDEN PENIS 8 D I think the Golden Joystick looks more like the secret lovechild of Lumiere and Babette...
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 20, 2017 22:31:11 GMT
I definitely have no idea what we're talking about. I probably shouldn't have started reading from Page 6. I also definitely know that my most important takeaway from this thread is that any way you slice it, "Golden Joystick" is an entirely wasted euphemism! OH WAIT NEVER MIND IT DOES LOOK LIKE A GOLDEN PENIS 8 D I think the Golden Joystick looks more like the secret lovechild of Lumiere and Babette... Well their child looks like a penis.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 20, 2017 22:49:26 GMT
I think the Golden Joystick looks more like the secret lovechild of Lumiere and Babette... Well their child looks like a penis. Would you expect anything else from that Casanova candlestick?
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 21, 2017 1:44:21 GMT
I think the Golden Joystick looks more like the secret lovechild of Lumiere and Babette... Well their child looks like a penis.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Oct 21, 2017 14:33:03 GMT
Since we're getting on the Trilogy's VA discussion here, allow me to say that IMO, Mark Meer did a better job as Hale. Playing as a FemShep made me want skip some quests just so I could finish the playthrough. It always seems she's trying too hard for something, like those Renegade lines.
Same goes for SisRyder. Scott is the best, IMO. He really knows how to deliver lines that rings good to the ears and his voice has balance between sarcasm, seriousness, authority and inexperience, something which we expect for a Pathfinder. A thing that Sara fails to do so in my opinion.
Not saying I dislike the VA. They do an awesome job on other games, but not that "Award Indication Performance". (Fryda's Sara wasn't that good, but you can see she's a good professional; and Hale will always be remembered as Bastila Shan for me)
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Post by smilesja on Oct 21, 2017 17:14:54 GMT
And that's how you know game industry have a shitty standarts. Because a game you don’t like gets some recognition?
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Post by hivemind on Oct 22, 2017 17:58:35 GMT
And that's how you know game industry have a shitty standarts. Because a game you don’t like gets some recognition? I was talking specificaly about Fryda's performance. It varies from somewhat plausible to fucking awful. There is just so much more better actors who did a better job and yet they didn't made it even into nomination list. Unlike Fryda's mediocre job. That's what i call a shitty standarts.
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