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Post by Sartoz on Sept 28, 2016 6:34:36 GMT
Snip As for the resources... hell Sol is probably not even the most resource rich solar system in the 'known' Galaxy so the super secret protect won't 'have' to be made in the Sol system... we have others
Really? You just found the Mother Lode of rich metal deposits, easily accessible somewhere in the Pacific Mountains. Are you telling me that you can build USA's Super Carriers # 2-6 next to it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 9:09:43 GMT
So I know because of the snippets of trailer it does 'look' as if the Ark ships are in Earth orbit and shuttles are ferrying up from the surface. But here is why I really hope that isn't going to be how we are told it happens and of course pitch in with your thoughts... 1. So the planet is round and has pretty lights on it... thats hope Thessia may look at night or another garden world... and they may have just used an 'Earth' image for speed or lazyness (never forget Tali's face ) 2. To have a ton of citadel size, strange looking ships orbiting Earth prior to the Reaper invasion would have made it into the comment section of pretty much every news network and Shepard would have to have known about it - now it could be that it just wasn't an area that she was focussing on and a side briefing on a contingency plan so you can always retcon this 'off camera' but I just think it would be too big a deal for it never to have been mentioned... why couldnt I get my family onto the Ark ships yadda ya 3. Knowing the level of inflitration of Cerberus and the unknown levels of indoctrinated Reaper servants it would be madness to build or 'show and tell' a project that was meant at least in part (as who knows what motivation for building them and sending them off will be) to the entire population of Earth and the rest of the Galaxy So my hope would be that the Ark ships were built in a secret location and staged probably over a planet (again a secret location), but not Earth, from which the passengers, members of the expitition leave to join the ships. I would hope we get an opening movie showing the evac or the beginning of the mission. What would then be really cool is if the Reapers jumped in mid launch and everything went to hell, leaving those who made it onto the arks with no knowledge of what happened after they left.
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Post by DeepJIMPACT on Sept 28, 2016 9:49:07 GMT
I want them all destroyed. You made your bed now LIE IN IT. }:‑)
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Post by Ahriman on Sept 28, 2016 10:44:44 GMT
So I know because of the snippets of trailer it does 'look' as if the Ark ships are in Earth orbit and shuttles are ferrying up from the surface. But here is why I really hope that isn't going to be how we are told it happens and of course pitch in with your thoughts... 1. So the planet is round and has pretty lights on it... thats hope Thessia may look at night or another garden world... and they may have just used an 'Earth' image for speed or lazyness (never forget Tali's face ) 2. To have a ton of citadel size, strange looking ships orbiting Earth prior to the Reaper invasion would have made it into the comment section of pretty much every news network and Shepard would have to have known about it - now it could be that it just wasn't an area that she was focussing on and a side briefing on a contingency plan so you can always retcon this 'off camera' but I just think it would be too big a deal for it never to have been mentioned... why couldnt I get my family onto the Ark ships yadda ya 3. Knowing the level of inflitration of Cerberus and the unknown levels of indoctrinated Reaper servants it would be madness to build or 'show and tell' a project that was meant at least in part (as who knows what motivation for building them and sending them off will be) to the entire population of Earth and the rest of the Galaxy So my hope would be that the Ark ships were built in a secret location and staged probably over a planet (again a secret location), but not Earth, from which the passengers, members of the expitition leave to join the ships. I would hope we get an opening movie showing the evac or the beginning of the mission. What would then be really cool is if the Reapers jumped in mid launch and everything went to hell, leaving those who made it onto the arks with no knowledge of what happened after they left. Well, a lot of players will buy MEA as their first ME game, so Bioware need to push a lot of info into first five minutes. Reapers showing up and wrecking everything would be a better explanation than "No time to explain, we are travelers so go Andromeda". Not to mention that it will be more impressive sight for newcomers and nostalgia strike for old players.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 28, 2016 10:49:50 GMT
A real image of Earth looks pretty consistent... And why would Shepard's actions be in any way altered by 0.00001% of the population running for the hills?
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Post by Thrombin on Sept 28, 2016 12:11:01 GMT
My theory is that the Exodus is being organized somewhere between the end of ME1 and the beginning of ME3. Sovereign's attack on the Citadel was passed off as being a Geth attack but there will be people who know enough to conclude that this is nonsense and who may be aware of, and put far more credence in, Shepard's warnings about the Reapers.
Some highly wealthy private individual, convinced of the cover up and convinced that the Galaxy is doomed, takes it upon themselves to organize a colonization push that will go further than ever before. Colonization is happening all the time in ME. People are willing to give up everything for an exciting new future on a strange new world. Andromeda is just an even more exciting strange new world. The ultimate adventure!
The Collector attacks may also factor into it. Maybe it's thought that the disappearing colonists are a sign of the Reapers coming or may be it's just a catalyst for other colonists to want to up stakes and move farther afield.
Maybe they advertise the reason behind the exodus, maybe they don't. If they did, it wouldn't be a big deal. Most people will think of the colonists as crackpots for believing about the Reaper rubbish or just crackpots for trying to explore so far afield away from all outside aid but, apart from a few rolled eyes, I doubt that it would cause a huge media sensation that would impact on Shepard. Particularly since this could easily be happening during the time when he/she is dead!
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Post by Ahriman on Sept 28, 2016 12:43:53 GMT
Some highly wealthy private individual, convinced of the cover up and convinced that the Galaxy is doomed, takes it upon themselves to organize a colonization push that will go further than ever before. Colonization is happening all the time in ME. People are willing to give up everything for an exciting new future on a strange new world. Andromeda is just an even more exciting strange new world. The ultimate adventure! He'd need to attend galactic version of Nobel Award ceremony for invention of intergalactic FTL first, because at the moment of ME3 only Reapers were known having such tech.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 13:19:15 GMT
My theory is that the Exodus is being organized somewhere between the end of ME1 and the beginning of ME3. Sovereign's attack on the Citadel was passed off as being a Geth attack but there will be people who know enough to conclude that this is nonsense and who may be aware of, and put far more credence in, Shepard's warnings about the Reapers. Some highly wealthy private individual, convinced of the cover up and convinced that the Galaxy is doomed, takes it upon themselves to organize a colonization push that will go further than ever before. Colonization is happening all the time in ME. People are willing to give up everything for an exciting new future on a strange new world. Andromeda is just an even more exciting strange new world. The ultimate adventure! The Collector attacks may also factor into it. Maybe it's thought that the disappearing colonists are a sign of the Reapers coming or may be it's just a catalyst for other colonists to want to up stakes and move farther afield. Maybe they advertise the reason behind the exodus, maybe they don't. If they did, it wouldn't be a big deal. Most people will think of the colonists as crackpots for believing about the Reaper rubbish or just crackpots for trying to explore so far afield away from all outside aid but, apart from a few rolled eyes, I doubt that it would cause a huge media sensation that would impact on Shepard. Particularly since this could easily be happening during the time when he/she is dead! here's an interesting theory. I kinda like the idea that it all takes place between mass effect 1 + 3 so maybe put a spin on it. What if after sheps death and his resurrection by cerberus, shepard becomes indoctrinated? Everything he sees after he wakes up is not what it appears. What if the collectors rather than trying to kill humans were actually trying to save them? Shepards reality has been altered by his indoctrination so when he thinks he's killing collectors, he's really killing (insert species who are helping with the evac here). Sort of putting an evil twist on ME2 in as far as him actively preventing humans from escaping. (those collector pods sure did look like the AI pod shep used to enter the geth collective - also they could have been sleeper pods) Then when he gets to ME3 he is without knowing actively helping the reapers achieve victory by removing any threat to them. Shep walking around killing peeps for his cerberus / reaper buddies while the evac is taking place would be kinda epic in a not so heroic but tragic way.
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Post by nanotm on Sept 28, 2016 13:19:43 GMT
2. To have a ton of citadel size, strange looking ships orbiting Earth prior to the Reaper invasion would have made it into the comment section of pretty much every news network and Shepard would have to have known about it - now it could be that it just wasn't an area that she was focussing on and a side briefing on a contingency plan so you can always retcon this 'off camera' but I just think it would be too big a deal for it never to have been mentioned... why couldnt I get my family onto the Ark ships yadda ya 3. Knowing the level of inflitration of Cerberus and the unknown levels of indoctrinated Reaper servants it would be madness to build or 'show and tell' a project that was meant at least in part (as who knows what motivation for building them and sending them off will be) to the entire population of Earth and the rest of the Galaxy So my hope would be that the Ark ships were built in a secret location and staged probably over a planet (again a secret location), but not Earth, from which the passengers, members of the expitition leave to join the ships. I don't think the ships would have been built around Earth. They were probably just there at the end as a hurried last minute pickup. And it was probably pure luck they got away in time since the alliance had virtually no warning. So the way I see it is they were most likely there for a planned week or so to load up, Reapers appear so they have to rush it. The ships themselves could be explained away as a new military prototype with a "no comment" line coming from the top. Or alternatively invent some bull***t science experimental cover story. Or even as close to the truth as possible, new colony ships top populate a new garden world - just no mention of andromeda. It is believable enough as long as you have enough official support. As for infiltration, as far as I am aware, not even the majority of the colonists understood exactly why and where they were going. We were told they all had different reasons for going which wouldn't be the case if it was to escape a reaper exodus. I agree if you tell everyone with a ticket, the secret wouldn't stay a secret. But keeping it to a much tighter ring of knowledge could work. Cerberus was also pretty much tapped out and overextended. It may not be completely believable, but is good enough for me. My biggest problem is actually why they simply don't turn around once the reapers are defeated. It would happen so early in the trip that it would be pointless to continue. And they would know about it thanks to quantum entanglement communicators. the whole QEC is actually the simplest to explain, immediately after getting into the ships they went into hyper sleep and the vi's took over driving because the biological bodies couldn't take the acceleration rate, its just that whilst the colonists thought they were heading to a non mass relay linked part of the milky way far enough away that they needed much faster drives to get there within 1 lifetime they couldn't survive the acceleration curve required, the ships orders were changed at the last second after most of them went into hyper sleep by someone on board all the ark ships sync'd up and off they went, so the QEC no longer works what with there being nobody awake to answer it even if they were still close enough to turn around.... of course the science and exploration colonies are really a convoy of prison ships (so they didn't have to hide anything about their existence) who's mission was to establish a new penal colony in some otherwise uncharted area of space before the Andromeda project team steal them and disappear as the new version of Australia..... its the only thing that makes sense about the ships being giant hulks full of frozen bodies in such a short period of time .... and we already know the galaxy likes prison ships ....
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Post by Thrombin on Sept 28, 2016 13:28:15 GMT
Some highly wealthy private individual, convinced of the cover up and convinced that the Galaxy is doomed, takes it upon themselves to organize a colonization push that will go further than ever before. Colonization is happening all the time in ME. People are willing to give up everything for an exciting new future on a strange new world. Andromeda is just an even more exciting strange new world. The ultimate adventure! He'd need to attend galactic version of Nobel Award ceremony for invention of intergalactic FTL first, because at the moment of ME3 only Reapers were known having such tech. Normal FTL is fine as long as you're willing to hibernate for hundreds of years and bring enough fuel with you. I believe ME drives are capable of a cruising speed of 12 light years a day. Which would take just under 600 years to get to Andromeda. Bigger ships with more powerful drives can travel faster.
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Post by Thrombin on Sept 28, 2016 13:31:43 GMT
here's an interesting theory. I kinda like the idea that it all takes place between mass effect 1 + 3 so maybe put a spin on it. What if after sheps death and his resurrection by cerberus, shepard becomes indoctrinated? Everything he sees after he wakes up is not what it appears. What if the collectors rather than trying to kill humans were actually trying to save them? Shepards reality has been altered by his indoctrination so when he thinks he's killing collectors, he's really killing (insert species who are helping with the evac here). Sort of putting an evil twist on ME2 in as far as him actively preventing humans from escaping. (those collector pods sure did look like the AI pod shep used to enter the geth collective - also they could have been sleeper pods) Then when he gets to ME3 he is without knowing actively helping the reapers achieve victory by removing any threat to them. Shep walking around killing peeps for his cerberus / reaper buddies while the evac is taking place would be kinda epic in a not so heroic but tragic way. The indoctrination theory has been around for a quite a while, actually. I have always hated the idea, personally. I want my Shepard to be a hero, not a patsy. I'm perfectly happy with it happening the way it was shown to happen!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 13:36:15 GMT
here's an interesting theory. I kinda like the idea that it all takes place between mass effect 1 + 3 so maybe put a spin on it. What if after sheps death and his resurrection by cerberus, shepard becomes indoctrinated? Everything he sees after he wakes up is not what it appears. What if the collectors rather than trying to kill humans were actually trying to save them? Shepards reality has been altered by his indoctrination so when he thinks he's killing collectors, he's really killing (insert species who are helping with the evac here). Sort of putting an evil twist on ME2 in as far as him actively preventing humans from escaping. (those collector pods sure did look like the AI pod shep used to enter the geth collective - also they could have been sleeper pods) Then when he gets to ME3 he is without knowing actively helping the reapers achieve victory by removing any threat to them. Shep walking around killing peeps for his cerberus / reaper buddies while the evac is taking place would be kinda epic in a not so heroic but tragic way. The indoctrination theory has been around for a quite a while, actually. I have always hated the idea, personally. I want my Shepard to be a hero, not a patsy. I'm perfectly happy with it happening the way it was shown to happen! nah, not as in the indoctrination theory. This would be a real unexpected tragedy. Let's face it at the end of ME3 we lost anyways in the greater scheme of things.
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Post by Ahriman on Sept 28, 2016 13:40:03 GMT
He'd need to attend galactic version of Nobel Award ceremony for invention of intergalactic FTL first, because at the moment of ME3 only Reapers were known having such tech. Normal FTL is fine as long as you're willing to hibernate for hundreds of years and bring enough fuel with you. I believe ME drives are capable of a cruising speed of 12 light years a day. Which would take just under 600 years to get to Andromeda. Bigger ships with more powerful drives can travel faster. Oh please read wiki at least.
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Post by Thrombin on Sept 28, 2016 13:48:04 GMT
Normal FTL is fine as long as you're willing to hibernate for hundreds of years and bring enough fuel with you. I believe ME drives are capable of a cruising speed of 12 light years a day. Which would take just under 600 years to get to Andromeda. Bigger ships with more powerful drives can travel faster. Oh please read wiki at least. That's from the wiki. At least it's from a google thread about what the wiki says. I can't access the wiki itself from work!
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Post by nanotm on Sept 28, 2016 14:03:01 GMT
Oh please read wiki at least. That's from the wiki. At least it's from a google thread about what the wiki says. I can't access the wiki itself from work! well the normally accepted figure is 15ly/day which hasn't improved since the discovery of the mass relays ...
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Post by Iakus on Sept 28, 2016 16:23:48 GMT
He'd need to attend galactic version of Nobel Award ceremony for invention of intergalactic FTL first, because at the moment of ME3 only Reapers were known having such tech. Normal FTL is fine as long as you're willing to hibernate for hundreds of years and bring enough fuel with you. I believe ME drives are capable of a cruising speed of 12 light years a day. Which would take just under 600 years to get to Andromeda. Bigger ships with more powerful drives can travel faster. Eezo cores also build up a static charge which if not periodically discharged (typically every 50 hours or so) it will discharge into the hull of the ship, melting bulkheads, frying electronics, and killing crew.
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Post by malanek on Sept 28, 2016 20:03:26 GMT
I don't think the ships would have been built around Earth. They were probably just there at the end as a hurried last minute pickup. And it was probably pure luck they got away in time since the alliance had virtually no warning. So the way I see it is they were most likely there for a planned week or so to load up, Reapers appear so they have to rush it. The ships themselves could be explained away as a new military prototype with a "no comment" line coming from the top. Or alternatively invent some bull***t science experimental cover story. Or even as close to the truth as possible, new colony ships top populate a new garden world - just no mention of andromeda. It is believable enough as long as you have enough official support. As for infiltration, as far as I am aware, not even the majority of the colonists understood exactly why and where they were going. We were told they all had different reasons for going which wouldn't be the case if it was to escape a reaper exodus. I agree if you tell everyone with a ticket, the secret wouldn't stay a secret. But keeping it to a much tighter ring of knowledge could work. Cerberus was also pretty much tapped out and overextended. It may not be completely believable, but is good enough for me. My biggest problem is actually why they simply don't turn around once the reapers are defeated. It would happen so early in the trip that it would be pointless to continue. And they would know about it thanks to quantum entanglement communicators. the whole QEC is actually the simplest to explain, immediately after getting into the ships they went into hyper sleep and the vi's took over driving because the biological bodies couldn't take the acceleration rate, its just that whilst the colonists thought they were heading to a non mass relay linked part of the milky way far enough away that they needed much faster drives to get there within 1 lifetime they couldn't survive the acceleration curve required, the ships orders were changed at the last second after most of them went into hyper sleep by someone on board all the ark ships sync'd up and off they went, so the QEC no longer works what with there being nobody awake to answer it even if they were still close enough to turn around.... Hmmm I'm not sure if you are joking or not. Even if every living being is chucked in Cryo immediately (which doesn't really make sense since they have never had to do this in other FTL in the series and seeing it takes hundreds of years to travel to Andromeda it isn't any faster) then they would still have advanced computer systems to monitor the situation and navigate. To suggest that someone wants to pour so much resource into this completely untested and perilous expedition involving at least hundreds of lives, to not account for basic possibilities is beyond insane. If there is any chance they don't need to proceed with the last 99% of the journey, and by far the most dangerous stage since systems are more likely to fail the longer they run, they wouldn't. Even if they get to Andromeda they are then faced with a massive task and massive uncertainties just to survive. And they can never get back. To make the trip would require meticulous planning, genius levels of technological innovation, with extreme care and redundancy built into every possible nuance of the expedition they could conceive. I simply can't accept they would be able to accomplish this yet fall into the sheer incompetence. Although its a bit unfair to make this statement without actually having seen the actualy writing, I highly suspect the way we get there involves a lot of handwaving and will not go into depth. In fact the explanation will most likely be extremely scant. I'm actually ok with that although I do believe there were much better ways of accomplishing the transition if they were keen to go with logical plot integrity.
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Post by Monk on Sept 28, 2016 20:25:55 GMT
So my hope would be that the Ark ships were built in a secret location and staged probably over a planet (again a secret location), but not Earth, from which the passengers, members of the expitition leave to join the ships. Uhg, logic! Yeah, agreed, it has to be a secret if we're worried that the Reapers my decide to tag along. I was always under the impression that by hiding in plain sight might work best but again, we are dealing with a hyper-intelligent machine race. Even if all the Ark ships left at the same time, small variances in speed, over 600 years, could mean vastly different arrival times for various Ark ships. Wouldn't necessarily need to consider this, VI-running systems aside, if they're chartered to go to different clusters. Also, it would be a bit ludicrous to put them all in the same spot. What if a large space war is occurring right where they jump out of FTL? They'd be shredded in moments. While they wouldn't need to be going to different clusters to avoid this, they could be aimed as such so, if need be, other arks can turn back to assist the others. How many Destiny Ascensions could fit inside? You're assuming the arks are each near the size of the Citadel, which is nearly 50 miles long. To transport millions of people using arks, you'd only need them to be the size of space carriers, which are only a fraction the size of the Destiny Ascension.
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Post by goishen on Sept 28, 2016 21:54:45 GMT
Well, about them leaving at the same time... You have to read into the small details. Here, I'm talking about the kodiak shuttles that are seen transporting presumably people, although they could be transporting anything really.
I know that some of you are thinking that they'd just build 5,966 shuttles just to carry all of those people, weapons, supplies, etc to all ships at the same time. That's just not how it works in the real world though. They might build 700, and plan out what they are going to take up there and when.
Why? What are they gonna do with 5,966 shuttles after they've gotten everybody on board? What? Sell them? Sure, that would put a glut in the market. "Hey Joey, wanna buy my shuttle?" "Oh yah, how much? "10 credits!" "Nahhh, thanks. I've seen your thrusters. I can get one with better thrusters for 5."
Am I overthinking this?
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Post by Ahriman on Sept 28, 2016 22:17:20 GMT
Well, about them leaving at the same time... You have to read into the small details. Here, I'm talking about the kodiak shuttles that are seen transporting presumably people, although they could be transporting anything really. I know that some of you are thinking that they'd just build 5,966 shuttles just to carry all of those people, weapons, supplies, etc to all ships at the same time. That's just not how it works in the real world though. They might build 700, and plan out what they are going to take up there and when. Why? What are they gonna do with 5,966 shuttles after they've gotten everybody on board? What? Sell them? Sure, that would put a glut in the market. "Hey Joey, wanna buy my shuttle?" "Oh yah, how much? "10 credits!" "Nahhh, thanks. I've seen your thrusters. I can get one with better thrusters for 5." Am I overthinking this? Technically one would use cargo ships for supplies and and passenger ships for people (there is a lot of bigger ones than a mere shuttle). Bio probably just wanted to show something familiar or they weren't picky when leaving.
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Post by ddraigcoch123 on Sept 28, 2016 23:49:36 GMT
To be honest if they are loading up people, supplies, equipment... general stuff... they won't be doing it in a shuttle Yeah as above cargo ships etc., and just because the 'citadel' like ships have their 'arms' closed doesn't mean to say they don't have docking arrays on the outside But also agree they are showing shuttles for familiarity but also maybe to inject a sense of 'last minute' rush to get to the Arks
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Post by themikefest on Sept 29, 2016 0:03:46 GMT
I know that some of you are thinking that they'd just build 5,966 shuttles just to carry all of those people, weapons, supplies, etc to all ships at the same time. That's just not how it works in the real world though. They might build 700, and plan out what they are going to take up there and when. I wouldn't be surprised if shipping companies were contracted to deliver supplies and other goods to the site that the ships are being built Nope. They were used in the assault against the reapers. They were part of hammer. Depending on ems, only x amount made it Yes. The shuttles seen in the trailer are most likely bringing the last few folks to the ships before the ships leave. I wouldn't be surprised if one them has the Ryder family onboard.
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Post by Arcian on Sept 29, 2016 0:58:39 GMT
He'd need to attend galactic version of Nobel Award ceremony for invention of intergalactic FTL first, because at the moment of ME3 only Reapers were known having such tech. Normal FTL is fine as long as you're willing to hibernate for hundreds of years and bring enough fuel with you. I believe ME drives are capable of a cruising speed of 12 light years a day. Which would take just under 600 years to get to Andromeda. Bigger ships with more powerful drives can travel faster. Actually, bigger ships cause a higher drain on the ME core, which limits both their speed and their range. Ideally you want the most powerful FTL drive available in the smallest ship possible, which gives it amazing velocity and range. Some highly wealthy private individual, convinced of the cover up and convinced that the Galaxy is doomed, takes it upon themselves to organize a colonization push that will go further than ever before. Colonization is happening all the time in ME. People are willing to give up everything for an exciting new future on a strange new world. Andromeda is just an even more exciting strange new world. The ultimate adventure! Do they, though? We know they can traverse a few tens of thousands of light years of void at the edge of the galaxy in a few years, but that is a different thing altogether from travelling 2.5 million light years to a distant galaxy in 220 years. If you think about it, intergalactic travel is a technological hurdle the Reapers weren't really designed to overcome. They don't need this capability because their victims, technologically corralled to develop a crippling dependency on the Mass Relays, completely lack the ability to flee the galaxy by design. That's one of the gripes I have with ME:A, because the idea of Milky Way species departing for Andromeda mid-trilogy flies in the face of everything the trilogy told us about the extremely limited spacefaring capability of the Milky Way species at the time. The primary reason why I have immense doubts about the Reapers capability of travelling to Andromeda is because they have a speed limit - 30 light years a day, 2.5 times the speed limit of standard Council-era FTL drives. If their energy and fuel reserves were as immense as fans assume for them to make the journey to Andromeda, they would not limit their FTL drives to a measly 30 light years a day. That makes no sense whatsoever. There is no benefit to a "slow burn" drive - it requires the same amount of energy to get to Andromeda whether they go there at 1 light year per day or 10,000 light years per day. As for the discharge problem, a lot of fans think they just don't have to discharge at all, but discharging is a rather integral part of how eezo cores work. I can't imagine a piece of technology that flat out eliminates the buildup of static - it would violate the law of conversation of energy. It's possible Reapers have a lot of heat storage and heat dissipation tech occupying hull space organics would use for living necessities such as growing food, processing water and recycling oxygen - but I doubt this is true since they don't actually need it, at the very least not enough to go to Andromeda. A more likely scenario is that the Reapers, purely mechanical and extremely resilient, simply lets the charge build up and take the electrical hit as the saturated core discharges into the hull, assuming they are unable to reach a proper discharge location in time. For obvious reasons, this won't work for an organic crew, and I don't think it'd be healthy for a Reaper in the long run - after the 220 years it would take them to reach Andromeda, they might arrive as incandescent chunks of molten slag. But even assuming they are able to make the journey, what reason do we have to believe that we can adapt their technology and replicate their feat? A big reason why they are able to do the things they do is because they are giant, nigh-immortal murder machines, not soft, fleshy organics weak to hunger, thirst, fatigue, asphyxiation and radiation. Adapting Reaper tech isn't going to make us any less subject to organic weaknesses and limitations. Just my 2 credits.
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Post by bshep on Sept 29, 2016 3:19:34 GMT
So I know because of the snippets of trailer it does 'look' as if the Ark ships are in Earth orbit and shuttles are ferrying up from the surface. But here is why I really hope that isn't going to be how we are told it happens and of course pitch in with your thoughts... 1. So the planet is round and has pretty lights on it... thats hope Thessia may look at night or another garden world... and they may have just used an 'Earth' image for speed or lazyness (never forget Tali's face ) 2. To have a ton of citadel size, strange looking ships orbiting Earth prior to the Reaper invasion would have made it into the comment section of pretty much every news network and Shepard would have to have known about it - now it could be that it just wasn't an area that she was focussing on and a side briefing on a contingency plan so you can always retcon this 'off camera' but I just think it would be too big a deal for it never to have been mentioned... why couldnt I get my family onto the Ark ships yadda ya 3. Knowing the level of inflitration of Cerberus and the unknown levels of indoctrinated Reaper servants it would be madness to build or 'show and tell' a project that was meant at least in part (as who knows what motivation for building them and sending them off will be) to the entire population of Earth and the rest of the Galaxy So my hope would be that the Ark ships were built in a secret location and staged probably over a planet (again a secret location), but not Earth, from which the passengers, members of the expitition leave to join the ships. I am also hoping that planet is not Earth. Thessia could indeed be a good choice since the Reapers only go there after kick the butts of everyone else (except salarians). That of course is hoping they don't decide to retcon the lore by saying the galactic governments believed Shepard and build Ark Ships that leave before the Reaper War. To me it makes more sense they left during the war and since Systems Alliance space was the second target the Reapers hit it would be weird to have huge ships parked on Earth's orbit.
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Post by Ahriman on Sept 29, 2016 7:44:55 GMT
Normal FTL is fine as long as you're willing to hibernate for hundreds of years and bring enough fuel with you. I believe ME drives are capable of a cruising speed of 12 light years a day. Which would take just under 600 years to get to Andromeda. Bigger ships with more powerful drives can travel faster. Actually, bigger ships cause a higher drain on the ME core, which limits both their speed and their range. Ideally you want the most powerful FTL drive available in the smallest ship possible, which gives it amazing velocity and range. Do they, though? We know they can traverse a few tens of thousands of light years of void at the edge of the galaxy in a few years, but that is a different thing altogether from travelling 2.5 million light years to a distant galaxy in 220 years. If you think about it, intergalactic travel is a technological hurdle the Reapers weren't really designed to overcome. They don't need this capability because their victims, technologically corralled to develop a crippling dependency on the Mass Relays, completely lack the ability to flee the galaxy by design. That's one of the gripes I have with ME:A, because the idea of Milky Way species departing for Andromeda mid-trilogy flies in the face of everything the trilogy told us about the extremely limited spacefaring capability of the Milky Way species at the time. The primary reason why I have immense doubts about the Reapers capability of travelling to Andromeda is because they have a speed limit - 30 light years a day, 2.5 times the speed limit of standard Council-era FTL drives. If their energy and fuel reserves were as immense as fans assume for them to make the journey to Andromeda, they would not limit their FTL drives to a measly 30 light years a day. That makes no sense whatsoever. There is no benefit to a "slow burn" drive - it requires the same amount of energy to get to Andromeda whether they go there at 1 light year per day or 10,000 light years per day. Main answer is - Space Magic. It works the way it fits particular situation. But one can rationalize that higher speed requires bigger core, so for example getting 100 ly/d would require Drive Core with the Size of a Reaper. There is no reason not to believe that. We had at least three examples (which come to mind first) of Reaper tech integration during trilogy - Thanix, EDI, Reaper IFF. They already did it in ME3.
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