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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 2, 2016 18:12:57 GMT
Shepard also encountered plenty of people who said they had believed his story. Anderson believed. Hackett believed. The Alliance believed, If they believed, why didn't they do something? When talking to Anderson in ME2, he will tell Shepard that its up to him/her to deal with the reapers. Where's the renegade interrupt when you need one? He never cared. It also said him and the Alliance wasn't doing anything or did anything. Hackett has Kenson finding something, but that's with dlc. In ME3, Anderson, at the beginning, will say to Shepard that all he wants is for her/him to help find a way to stop the reapers. Again where's the renegade interrupt when you need one? Why didn't he and the Alliance do anything for two years while Shepard was dead? On Mars, Hackett and Liara pool their resources to find a way to stop the reapers. Why didn't that happen after the SR1 was destroyed? How hard would it of been to send or ask Liara to check out the archives? How hard would it of been to go back to Eden Prime to find more clues? So they can believe all they want, but its not going to solve the problem if they aren't doing anything Unless they showed their belief by getting arks built and sending people off to Andromeda?
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Post by Ahriman on Oct 2, 2016 18:14:47 GMT
Shepard also encountered plenty of people who said they had believed his story. Anderson believed. Hackett believed. The Alliance believed, On Mars, Hackett and Liara pool their resources to find a way to stop the reapers. Why didn't that happen after the SR1 was destroyed? How hard would it of been to send or ask Liara to check out the archives? How hard would it of been to go back to Eden Prime to find more clues? One does not simply discvoer plot device before time.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 2, 2016 18:28:22 GMT
To be fair, an argument could be made that Liara was dealing with the Shadow Broker during that time due to what happened when she was trying to retrieve Shepard's body and that after that business was settled, she was busy trying to get the hang of the Shadow Broker's network.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 18:38:56 GMT
Plus Bryson's work (in the Leviathan DLC). Thing is, it took nearly all the combined fleets to destroy one Reaper ... which merely delayed the Reapers. In Arrival, destroying a mass relay delayed the Reapers a bit longer. Adding Quarian and Geth fleets will help slow the Reapers down, but are not sufficient to stop them from overwhelming the combined galactic fleets.
You're not going to build, man and train a galactic fleet capable of beating the Reapers, in the time you have left ... even if every ship is equipped with Thannix cannons. Or build planet-based defense systems, capable of fending off sequential, system by system Reaper invasion ... methodical, plodding, unrelenting Reaper invasion ... i.e. defeat in detail. If you find it implausible that Council races could build Ark ships in the time left, after the defeat of Sovereign, then building planet and space based galactic forces capable of defeating the Reapers is well nigh impossible.
So you seek out alternatives ... Reaper killers (Leviathan), unconventional weapons capable of destroying the Reapers (Crucible), enacting "continuity of civilization" alternatives (Ark ships) ... not putting all your eggs in one basket, but placing bets on as many options as possible, which might pay out, prior to the Reapers arriving ... or after.
Because the Reapers are not that far away ... years or months, not decades, not centuries not millennia ... the decision was to do this without making it widely known to the galactic populous ... perhaps to avoid mass panic. This McGuffin (plot device to further the narrative) is a bit hard to swallow, but at this point, hiding the true nature of the first Citadel attack is baked into the cake of the MET ... "ah yes, 'Reapers'" ... so there we are.
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Post by Ahriman on Oct 2, 2016 21:04:08 GMT
Yes, frankly speaking, if Reapers weren't playing dumb and went straight to Citadel to take control of Relay network - war would be instantly lost. Though it seemed more like silent retcon, when not a single character ever mentioned such possibility since ME1.
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Post by nanotm on Oct 3, 2016 10:09:42 GMT
Yes, frankly speaking, if Reapers weren't playing dumb and went straight to Citadel to take control of Relay network - war would be instantly lost. Though it seemed more like silent retcon, when not a single character ever mentioned such possibility since ME1. they couldn't take direct control of the relay network to let them, the citadel controls the relay network, and the council had locked out all but one route to the citadel after sovereign's attack, so the reapers didn't know what that route was... them screaming towards their main enemy (earth) makes sense to a degree, about the only thing that didn't make sense was it taking more than a few days for them to hoover up /destroy earth, there's literally zero chance that such a heavy invasion of a planet would take so long to be finalised... but once you skip past giant plot holes like that its all good and yeah it also doesn't make much sense that they wouldn't of seized the citadel unless glowbrat was ordering them to other tasks, I mean isolating every relay to prevent any sort of organised resistance would of made perfect sense .... which means either the machines were toying with them because fear and loss of hope makes them taste better or there far from superior to organics .....
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Post by Ahriman on Oct 3, 2016 10:22:49 GMT
Yes, frankly speaking, if Reapers weren't playing dumb and went straight to Citadel to take control of Relay network - war would be instantly lost. Though it seemed more like silent retcon, when not a single character ever mentioned such possibility since ME1. they couldn't take direct control of the relay network to let them, the citadel controls the relay network, and the council had locked out all but one route to the citadel after sovereign's attack, so the reapers didn't know what that route was... Uhm, source?
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Post by themikefest on Oct 3, 2016 14:32:20 GMT
To be fair, an argument could be made that Liara was dealing with the Shadow Broker during that time due to what happened when she was trying to retrieve Shepard's body and that after that business was settled, she was busy trying to get the hang of the Shadow Broker's network. To be fair, without help from Cerberus and Feron, she wouldn't of done anything. Shepard: What was going after the broker have to with finding a way to stop the reapers? T'soni: I was so obsessed with finding the broker, that I completely.....forgot....... Shepard: Hmm. Is that the same reason for having my armor on display in your apartment like its some kind of prize? T'soni: Uhmm.....I.....I.....should go.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 3, 2016 17:42:45 GMT
Yes, frankly speaking, if Reapers weren't playing dumb and went straight to Citadel to take control of Relay network - war would be instantly lost. Though it seemed more like silent retcon, when not a single character ever mentioned such possibility since ME1. they couldn't take direct control of the relay network to let them, the citadel controls the relay network, and the council had locked out all but one route to the citadel after sovereign's attack, so the reapers didn't know what that route was... them screaming towards their main enemy (earth) makes sense to a degree, about the only thing that didn't make sense was it taking more than a few days for them to hoover up /destroy earth, there's literally zero chance that such a heavy invasion of a planet would take so long to be finalised... but once you skip past giant plot holes like that its all good and yeah it also doesn't make much sense that they wouldn't of seized the citadel unless glowbrat was ordering them to other tasks, I mean isolating every relay to prevent any sort of organised resistance would of made perfect sense .... which means either the machines were toying with them because fear and loss of hope makes them taste better or there far from superior to organics ..... Even if what you say is true, that bulwark would have done nothing to stop the Reapers. A single Reaper Dreadnought with the Heretic Fleet pushed through and took control by himself. If a single Reaper Dreadnought could do that, tens of thousands wouldn't been able to without a second thought. They clearly do too since late in the game they do take the Citadel, and once again get handed the Idiot Ball by not deactivating all the Mass Relays. The only reason the Reapers didn't start by taking the Citadel like they have every other cycle is because this is a game and if they did that there would be no game because Shepard and the rest of the galaxy would not be able to do anything but fall.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 3, 2016 18:06:26 GMT
The reapers were made stupid in ME3 for them to be defeated. With the numbers they have, there is no way the galaxy would be able to stop them even with the plans for the crucible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 15:01:50 GMT
i'm still looking forward to them explaining how we get to andromeda....
"Even if we could develop the technology to travel at the speed of light, it would still take 30,000 years to leave the Milky Way. The nearest galaxy to us is the Andromeda Galaxy which is 2.5 million light years away (meaning it would take 2.5 million years to reach it, travelling at the speed of light)"
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Post by Ahriman on Oct 4, 2016 15:17:42 GMT
i'm still looking forward to them explaining how we get to andromeda.... "Even if we could develop the technology to travel at the speed of light,
There is already a technology to travel faster than light. Welcome to Mass Effect.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Oct 4, 2016 15:46:56 GMT
From Flynn's "we took those that pitched in" = Alliance project = Alliance controlled = Pathfinder training = Human centric story.
I know I'm late to this thread, but what's the origin of this quote? Did Aaryn Flynn say at some point that we *won't* see all the Milky Way races in Andromeda and that this is the reason (some refused to cooperate)?
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 5, 2016 4:23:47 GMT
From Flynn's "we took those that pitched in" = Alliance project = Alliance controlled = Pathfinder training = Human centric story.
I know I'm late to this thread, but what's the origin of this quote? Did Aaryn Flynn say at some point that we *won't* see all the Milky Way races in Andromeda and that this is the reason (some refused to cooperate)? ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Flynn gave an interview shortly after the Sony's PS4 Pro presentation. I posted the interview link in another thread. In the mean time, here is another one:
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