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Post by shechinah on Mar 13, 2018 22:08:54 GMT
I thought I'd made a post about it in the thread but I guess it wasn't in this one.
I hope that there are barely any old characters that make a return. I don't mind things like letters, mentions and easter eggs but I feel things like cameos and roles should only be for characters where it'd make the most sense.
Example: I think it would make sense that Dorian would be there in some role or another because he is from a prominent family and always returns to the Tevinter Imperium regardless of what happens. I think Feynriel having a cameo might work although I also think him simply being mentioned would work as well.
Example: I don't think it would make sense that Fenris would be there because he hold no fond feelings towards his homeland, he knows how dangerous it'd be to go there, he has no real way of hiding because he stands out so much and a part of his character arc is basically deciding to build a life where he is. The only way Fenris being present in Tevinter would make sense to me would be if Hawke gave him back to Danarius and we encounter him as a memory-wiped slave.
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Post by Walter Black on Mar 15, 2018 20:17:41 GMT
While that is true it is notr confirmed to be the same Tallis, I think with how they worded Saarath's note that the devs are referencing it to being her, for example him saying Elf-Who-Is-Tallis to the first part about conflicting feelings matching Tallis. It wouldn't make sense perhaps, but it could still happen. For example Dorian's actions in DAI didn't make sense, but he still did them. Not saying that she will become a companion or anything like that(I wouldn't mind if she did since I liked her character, but if we are getting a dual-weilding dagger rogue female elf it seems Vaea is the more likely candidate) but I can see her having some role. Especially since this game seems to be having the Qun-Tevinter War being one of the main plots so I imagine all the big characters we met in the past connected to Tevinter or the Qun playing some sort of role. I do agree that it was probably meant to be her but I don't think it necessarily indicates that she returned to the Qun. We don't know how old the letter was and it seems like Saarath never gave it to her. The fact that he was still working on it during Trespasser does support the theory that Tallis is still a member of the Qun but then again, he may have been losing his state of mind judging by the content near the end of the letter and given that his writing was described as shaky. Still, I think you are probably right that Tallis was not declared Tal-Vashoth by the Qun like I initially thought. If we only get one female elven Companion in DA4, Tallis fits a lot better than most. She has story connections to the major plot points; Elves, the Qunari, slavery, spies and revolution. She's bi and open to romancing protagonists, though hopefully more than just a fling this time. Rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater, Bioware can address the complaints of those who disliked Tallis: confront her on the Qun's less savory aspects (particularly mages), be able to stop and/or kill her if they disagree with her goals, and allow divergent character development. If Tallis is a Companion, I don't think she should be able to become Tal-Vashoth, since we already had that with iron Bull. Rather I would prefer Tallis' Personal Quest has her reaffirming complete loyalty to the Qun, or vowing to improve it from within. This could just as easily work with Gatt as well, but he didn't have as much life or depth to me.
I haven't read Magekiller or Knight Errant , so my knowledge of those characters is limited. From a design standpoint, none of them struck me as having iconic, unique or even interesting aesthetics to their looks. Personality wise, Tessa, Marius, Vaea, and Aaron so far strike me as simply nicer, safer, blander versions of Leliana, Fenris, Sera and Blackwall, respectively. Not different enough for Companion material, or nuanced enough to explore completely different character directions from Personal Quests.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2018 21:37:23 GMT
I do agree that it was probably meant to be her but I don't think it necessarily indicates that she returned to the Qun. We don't know how old the letter was and it seems like Saarath never gave it to her. The fact that he was still working on it during Trespasser does support the theory that Tallis is still a member of the Qun but then again, he may have been losing his state of mind judging by the content near the end of the letter and given that his writing was described as shaky. Still, I think you are probably right that Tallis was not declared Tal-Vashoth by the Qun like I initially thought. If we only get one female elven Companion in DA4, Tallis fits a lot better than most. She has story connections to the major plot points; Elves, the Qunari, slavery, spies and revolution. She's bi and open to romancing protagonists, though hopefully more than just a fling this time. Rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater, Bioware can address the complaints of those who disliked Tallis: confront her on the Qun's less savory aspects (particularly mages), be able to stop and/or kill her if they disagree with her goals, and allow divergent character development. If Tallis is a Companion, I don't think she should be able to become Tal-Vashoth, since we already had that with iron Bull. Rather I would prefer Tallis' Personal Quest has her reaffirming complete loyalty to the Qun, or vowing to improve it from within. This could just as easily work with Gatt as well, but he didn't have as much life or depth to me.
I haven't read Magekiller or Knight Errant , so my knowledge of those characters is limited. From a design standpoint, none of them struck me as having iconic, unique or even interesting aesthetics to their looks. Personality wise, Tessa, Marius, Vaea, and Aaron so far strike me as simply nicer, safer, blander versions of Leliana, Fenris, Sera and Blackwall, respectively. Not different enough for Companion material, or nuanced enough to explore completely different character directions from Personal Quests.
For the new characters, I definitely recommend you read the comics. I'll include links to where you can read them( Magekiller and Knight Errant). I disagree that they don't have iconic, unique, or interesting aesthetics(I certainly want some of the outfits available to my protagonist) and while I will agree that they might have some similarities to some characters, they have far more differences. Really other than race and class and a couple other vague things, they are pretty opposite of those characters you compared them to. Plus when looking at characters in that broad an archtype, every character is similar to another character. As for Tallis, I don't think they'd clump all those plot points together for a single character, and many of these plot points I see them using for our Qunari companion/s.
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Post by Walter Black on Mar 15, 2018 22:19:32 GMT
If we only get one female elven Companion in DA4, Tallis fits a lot better than most. She has story connections to the major plot points; Elves, the Qunari, slavery, spies and revolution. She's bi and open to romancing protagonists, though hopefully more than just a fling this time. Rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater, Bioware can address the complaints of those who disliked Tallis: confront her on the Qun's less savory aspects (particularly mages), be able to stop and/or kill her if they disagree with her goals, and allow divergent character development. If Tallis is a Companion, I don't think she should be able to become Tal-Vashoth, since we already had that with iron Bull. Rather I would prefer Tallis' Personal Quest has her reaffirming complete loyalty to the Qun, or vowing to improve it from within. This could just as easily work with Gatt as well, but he didn't have as much life or depth to me.
As for Tallis, I don't think they'd clump all those plot points together for a single character, and many of these plot points I see them using for our Qunari companion/s. Tallis already has all those plot point wrapped in a single character: an elf sold into slavery, rescued by and converted to the Qun, openly questions it despite believing it to be Thedas' best hope, becomes a Ben-Hassrath spy and manages Qunari networks to erode Theodosian governments and cultures to make them vulnerable to Qunari takeover. The Ben-Hassrath know Fen'Harel's forces are planning something, so she's a good candidate to try and infiltrate them. No one in the Inquisition actually met Tallis, so she fits the whole "people Solas doesn't know" angle. Tallis' class kit works well against mages, which would be effective against both Solas' forces and Magisters. As a struggling but devout Viddithari, Tallis contrasts nicely with previous Qunari Compnaions Sten (Qunari race, conservative believer) and Iron Bull (Qunari race, on the fence). If the Qunari racial Companion in DA4 is a Tal-Vashoth Saarebas as many speculate/hope, Tallis would make an even better foil to that character. I'm not saying she's a lock, but given all of the above, in my opinion Tallis fits the projected themes of DA4 a lot better than Vaea.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2018 23:09:51 GMT
As for Tallis, I don't think they'd clump all those plot points together for a single character, and many of these plot points I see them using for our Qunari companion/s. Tallis already has all those plot point wrapped in a single character: an elf sold into slavery, rescued by and converted to the Qun, openly questions it despite believing it to be Thedas' best hope, becomes a Ben-Hassrath spy and manages Qunari networks to erode Theodosian governments and cultures to make them vulnerable to Qunari takeover. The Ben-Hassrath know Fen'Harel's forces are planning something, so she's a good candidate to try and infiltrate them. No one in the Inquisition actually met Tallis, so she fits the whole "people Solas doesn't know" angle. Tallis' class kit works well against mages, which would be effective against both Solas' forces and Magisters. As a struggling but devout Viddithari, Tallis contrasts nicely with previous Qunari Compnaions Sten (Qunari race, conservative believer) and Iron Bull (Qunari race, on the fence). If the Qunari racial Companion in DA4 is a Tal-Vashoth Saarebas as many speculate/hope, Tallis would make an even better foil to that character. I'm not saying she's a lock, but given all of the above, in my opinion Tallis fits the projected themes of DA4 a lot better than Vaea. I know. I was just saying that I could see Bioware instead splitting those up into multiple characters or even be used to explain a qunari character in Tevinter. And that while she fits, there are some problems for example you saying she will change the Qun from the inside when we have no evidence to support that she can even do that since the leaders of the Qunari are always qunari. I would also like for her to have the option to leave the Qun in the game, especially with her questioning of parts of it. I know The Iron Bull had that as well, but they could do it in a new way. I wouldn't mind Tallis being a squad mate since I liked her in MotA, and agree she fits the criteria and would be a good fit for the main cast. That said I want Vaea more, both since I like her character more and she already has some setup to doing it with her comic, but maybe we can have two female elf rogues.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 18, 2018 5:39:42 GMT
Leaving aside Dorian and Solas who will almost certainly both return.
If we're going to have a companion returning as a companion, as opposed to a companion becoming an npc or vice versa, I'd quite like to see Shale again. The possibility of her having regained dwarven form provides an interesting new character arc not covered in her first appearance, not something every companion you could bring back has.
A companion I'd like to see as an npc is Velanna. The awakening companions got less character development than other games companions. But what Velanna did get, which stayed with me, was the realisation for all the elvish culture that was lost she could still make new stories for her people (when you give her the blank journal). I foresaw 2 paths velanna might go down in the future - one where she ended up entangled with the architect through her sister, and the other where she leads a new dalish clan less focused on being angry about what they lost and more on creating new traditions.
After Trespasser I was left strongly wanting to see elves not all siding with Solas, to see and be allied with one or more Dalish clans who rejected him. So then of course I immediately wanted to see Velanna's clan being against him, because it would feel like a natural evolution for her character arc and because who could tell the dread wolf to get stuffed like Velanna could tell the dread wolf to get stuffed.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Mar 18, 2018 10:29:20 GMT
If we're going to have a companion returning as a companion, as opposed to a companion becoming an npc or vice versa, I'd quite like to see Shale again. The possibility of her having regained dwarven form provides an interesting new character arc not covered in her first appearance, not something every companion you could bring back has. Sadly I think Shale could die under specific circumstances in DA:O... :/
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 18, 2018 10:37:02 GMT
If we're going to have a companion returning as a companion, as opposed to a companion becoming an npc or vice versa, I'd quite like to see Shale again. The possibility of her having regained dwarven form provides an interesting new character arc not covered in her first appearance, not something every companion you could bring back has. Sadly I think Shale could die under specific circumstances in DA:O... :/ If they can bring back Leliana on the excuse that she died in a mountain filled with lyrium than I think they can bring back Shale on the excuse that she is made out of stone and lyrium. Maybe someone strolled up and reanimated her
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Post by duskwanderer on Mar 18, 2018 15:50:39 GMT
I'm okay with Velanna returning, but I would much rather see the results of her transformation. A good way to show that would be her tales. An NPC type could be gifted with a copy of her tales, or they could have a conversation in the library about her tales (ideally, this conversation would be by someone who is human and can appreciate her work). Perhaps Varric, who was curious about elven novels, heard about it since Hawke was close to the Wardens, he liked it, and then printed out copies with his printing press.
You'd have references to characters without needing them present. Enough fanservice to delight long-time players, but keeping the focus on the characters nowadays.
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Post by bladefist on Mar 18, 2018 19:55:30 GMT
Been asking for him since DA2. I know it's useless and I'm in the minority but I don't care.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Mar 19, 2018 21:52:40 GMT
The only ones that make sense to me are Shale, Morrigan, Isabela, Sera, Cole and of course Dorian. Everyone else could possibly be dead or wouldn't make a lot of s2ense in my opinion to be in Tevinter.
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Post by patriciachr34 on Mar 19, 2018 22:11:02 GMT
Well, I am currently running through DA2 again and I think it would be nice to see Fenris again. Perhaps as a cameo on the road. We could help him kill some slavers.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 20, 2018 15:41:05 GMT
The only ones that make sense to me are Shale, Morrigan, Isabela, Sera, Cole and of course Dorian. Everyone else could possibly be dead or wouldn't make a lot of s2ense in my opinion to be in Tevinter. Shale can be dead or not recruited. Cole can be a very different person based on whether he went spirit, human, or his personal quest not completed.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Mar 20, 2018 17:12:37 GMT
The only ones that make sense to me are Shale, Morrigan, Isabela, Sera, Cole and of course Dorian. Everyone else could possibly be dead or wouldn't make a lot of s2ense in my opinion to be in Tevinter. Shale can be dead or not recruited. Cole can be a very different person based on whether he went spirit, human, or his personal quest not completed. True. I was hesitant to include her but since Leliana can come back to life as a lyrium ghost, the magic golem returning isn't that much of a stretch. I'm sure they could (and would) handwave some of Cole's character development and have him be somewhere in the middle if they did bring him back in DA4.
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Post by Tittus on Mar 20, 2018 18:57:13 GMT
The only ones that make sense to me are Shale, Morrigan, Isabela, Sera, Cole and of course Dorian. Everyone else could possibly be dead or wouldn't make a lot of s2ense in my opinion to be in Tevinter. Why Isabela and Sera, if I may ask? Just because nothing bad can happen to them or is there something interesting for them there?
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Mar 20, 2018 19:24:47 GMT
The only ones that make sense to me are Shale, Morrigan, Isabela, Sera, Cole and of course Dorian. Everyone else could possibly be dead or wouldn't make a lot of s2ense in my opinion to be in Tevinter. Why Isabela and Sera, if I may ask? Just because nothing bad can happen to them or is there something interesting for them there? They can't be killed and tend to move around a lot.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 20, 2018 23:23:37 GMT
Why Isabela and Sera, if I may ask? Just because nothing bad can happen to them or is there something interesting for them there? They can't be killed and tend to move around a lot. Plus, Sera's been to Minrathous before. (Not that I actually want her to show up. I need my wife to be safe and happy and far away from Tevinter and Solas fuckery lolol.)
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Post by TheodoricFriede on Mar 21, 2018 8:58:04 GMT
At a guess, almost no one.
Dorian is obvious. Solas is a given. Leliana is... the Liara of Dragon Age, so probably unavoidable...
Beyond that, I feel as though the decision to move north was at least partially motivated by not having to juggle the potential decisions and character states of 3 previous games. Any references to the events or characters from the previous games will probably be incredibly vague.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 21, 2018 11:42:53 GMT
Anyone still involved in the Inquisition could show up as Trespassor implies that they are going to focus on chasing down Solas, hopefully they won't be too central to the plot though.
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Post by brasspetals on Mar 21, 2018 22:58:30 GMT
I want as much new and the least old as possible. I'd be cool with just the obvious returning, aka Dorian and Solas. Bringing back characters is fun, but after 3 games and so many possible outcomes it would just be a mess. Too much spending time and resources on the fate of old character A or where old character B ended up, in X or Y? A new slate sounds nice to me. New character, new companions, new place.
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Post by talyn82 on Mar 22, 2018 0:29:56 GMT
Pretty much the whole cast of companions from the first two games. Dorian, Iron Bull, and Cassandra. Josephine and Cullen as companions from Inquisition. Most of all I want the Grey Warden or Hawke to be the main characters.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 23, 2018 7:27:12 GMT
Bianca Davri.
Wait! Before you all grab your friggin' pitchforks, can we all acknowledge that crucifying her character based on a scant 15 minutes of screen time seems a bit friggin' daft? It'd be like disliking Merrill for how she appeared in the Dalish Origin (where she was a no-nonsense hardass), rather than how she appeared in DA2 (where she was an adorkable cuckoolander)
I will admit there are several issues in Bianca's presentation in Inquisition and she did appear a tad conceited at times.
But things like Varric's shilling of her abilities can be excused because he's obviously biased. And the "threat" towards the Inquisitor did come immediately after a huge bust-up with Varric, so she was definitely lashing out in frustration at the first person she saw (someone everyone will have done at some point). Neither of those things really seem like justifiable reasons (at least IMO) to call her the worst character in the franchise (particularly when someone like Vivienne exists).
I wouldn't suggest making her a companion, as Scout Harding would be far preferable to have as our resident female Dwarven archer. But if they brought back Bianca to play some role in a questline or in an advisor type capacity, that might allow for some better and more fleshed out characterisation from her, allowing the writers to address some of the issues people had with her in DAI.
Besides, remember when people complained that Cullen was returning in DAI, only for that to seemingly vanish after the game came out? They addressed the issues from previous games, gave him a buttload of development and made him an awesome romance option. If they already managed it before, can't see why doing something similar with Bianca wouldn't fix some of the problems some people have with her?
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Post by Catilina on Mar 23, 2018 12:54:41 GMT
Bianca Davri.Wait! Before you all grab your friggin' pitchforks, can we all acknowledge that crucifying her character based on a scant 15 minutes of screen time seems a bit friggin' daft? It'd be like disliking Merrill for how she appeared in the Dalish Origin (where she was a no-nonsense hardass), rather than how she appeared in DA2 (where she was an adorkable cuckoolander) I will admit there are several issues in Bianca's presentation in Inquisition and she did appear a tad conceited at times. But things like Varric's shilling of her abilities can be excused because he's obviously biased. And the "threat" towards the Inquisitor did come immediately after a huge bust-up with Varric, so she was definitely lashing out in frustration at the first person she saw (someone everyone will have done at some point). Neither of those things really seem like justifiable reasons (at least IMO) to call her the worst character in the franchise (particularly when someone like Vivienne exists). I wouldn't suggest making her a companion, as Scout Harding would be far preferable to have as our resident female Dwarven archer. But if they brought back Bianca to play some role in a questline or in an advisor type capacity, that might allow for some better and more fleshed out characterisation from her, allowing the writers to address some of the issues people had with her in DAI. Besides, remember when people complained that Cullen was returning in DAI, only for that to seemingly vanish after the game came out? They addressed the issues from previous games, gave him a buttload of development and made him an awesome romance option. If they already managed it before, can't see why doing something similar with Bianca wouldn't fix some of the problems some people have with her? I would like Bianka. Never saw, why people hate him, I'm quite neutral: I don't have enough information to judge. But Bianka seems interesting.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Mar 23, 2018 18:30:45 GMT
At a guess, almost no one. Dorian is obvious. Solas is a given. Leliana is... the Liara of Dragon Age, so probably unavoidable...Beyond that, I feel as though the decision to move north was at least partially motivated by not having to juggle the potential decisions and character states of 3 previous games. Any references to the events or characters from the previous games will probably be incredibly vague. While Leliana being able to survive a decapitation and become a rock ghost is annoying she definitely isn't a Liara. At least with her I'm not afraid she'll sell the protag's corpse to mad scientista and be a total stalker.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Mar 23, 2018 18:36:10 GMT
Bianca Davri.Wait! Before you all grab your friggin' pitchforks, can we all acknowledge that crucifying her character based on a scant 15 minutes of screen time seems a bit friggin' daft? It'd be like disliking Merrill for how she appeared in the Dalish Origin (where she was a no-nonsense hardass), rather than how she appeared in DA2 (where she was an adorkable cuckoolander) I will admit there are several issues in Bianca's presentation in Inquisition and she did appear a tad conceited at times. But things like Varric's shilling of her abilities can be excused because he's obviously biased. And the "threat" towards the Inquisitor did come immediately after a huge bust-up with Varric, so she was definitely lashing out in frustration at the first person she saw (someone everyone will have done at some point). Neither of those things really seem like justifiable reasons (at least IMO) to call her the worst character in the franchise (particularly when someone like Vivienne exists). I wouldn't suggest making her a companion, as Scout Harding would be far preferable to have as our resident female Dwarven archer. But if they brought back Bianca to play some role in a questline or in an advisor type capacity, that might allow for some better and more fleshed out characterisation from her, allowing the writers to address some of the issues people had with her in DAI. Besides, remember when people complained that Cullen was returning in DAI, only for that to seemingly vanish after the game came out? They addressed the issues from previous games, gave him a buttload of development and made him an awesome romance option. If they already managed it before, can't see why doing something similar with Bianca wouldn't fix some of the problems some people have with her? While I'm personally not all that interested in seeing her again, the hate she got is kind of out there. Sure she attempts to tell Inky off, but it was like watching a ten year old tell you suck or something. Who cares? Bianca's a nobody. I always headcanon that my Inquisitor just shrugged when she did that and went back to the important business of saving the whole freaking world.
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