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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 23, 2018 18:51:12 GMT
Lace Harding, please... Guaranteed not dead, stands to reason.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 23, 2018 19:01:19 GMT
Bianca Davri.Wait! Before you all grab your friggin' pitchforks, can we all acknowledge that crucifying her character based on a scant 15 minutes of screen time seems a bit friggin' daft? It'd be like disliking Merrill for how she appeared in the Dalish Origin (where she was a no-nonsense hardass), rather than how she appeared in DA2 (where she was an adorkable cuckoolander) I will admit there are several issues in Bianca's presentation in Inquisition and she did appear a tad conceited at times. But things like Varric's shilling of her abilities can be excused because he's obviously biased. And the "threat" towards the Inquisitor did come immediately after a huge bust-up with Varric, so she was definitely lashing out in frustration at the first person she saw (someone everyone will have done at some point). Neither of those things really seem like justifiable reasons (at least IMO) to call her the worst character in the franchise (particularly when someone like Vivienne exists). I wouldn't suggest making her a companion, as Scout Harding would be far preferable to have as our resident female Dwarven archer. But if they brought back Bianca to play some role in a questline or in an advisor type capacity, that might allow for some better and more fleshed out characterisation from her, allowing the writers to address some of the issues people had with her in DAI. Besides, remember when people complained that Cullen was returning in DAI, only for that to seemingly vanish after the game came out? They addressed the issues from previous games, gave him a buttload of development and made him an awesome romance option. If they already managed it before, can't see why doing something similar with Bianca wouldn't fix some of the problems some people have with her? While I'm personally not all that interested in seeing her again, the hate she got is kind of out there. Sure she attempts to tell Inky off, but it was like watching a ten year old tell you suck or something. Who cares? Bianca's a nobody. Yeah I can't imagine why people would dislike her. I mean, ten year old brats are so likable!! But seriously, Varric is potentially a bestie to two player characters, Hawke and Inquisitor, futhermore he is quite popular and people really wanted to romance him. He gushes about Bianca and when we finally meet Bianca, she doesn't live up to the standard of being Varric's partner. And when she threatens to kill Inquisitor if Varric gets hurt, that's the last drop really. Like, I'm not Varric's guardian or parent, if he gets hurt or dies, that's on him, I'm not forcing him to stay in Inquisition. And who does this little cuntarella think she is, to go and threaten me like this to begin with, especially when it's revealed she kind of fucked up just a moment ago. Stay in your lane, Bianca.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 24, 2018 0:14:50 GMT
Yeah I can't imagine why people would dislike her. I mean, ten year old brats are so likable!! But seriously, Varric is potentially a bestie to two player characters, Hawke and Inquisitor, futhermore he is quite popular and people really wanted to romance him. He gushes about Bianca and when we finally meet Bianca, she doesn't live up to the standard of being Varric's partner. And when she threatens to kill Inquisitor if Varric gets hurt, that's the last drop really. Like, I'm not Varric's guardian or parent, if he gets hurt or dies, that's on him, I'm not forcing him to stay in Inquisition. And who does this little cuntarella think she is, to go and threaten me like this to begin with, especially when it's revealed she kind of fucked up just a moment ago. Stay in your lane, Bianca. Add in that Varric volunteered to be a part of the Inquisition and accepted all the risks that came with it while the Inquisitor was forced into it because the alternative was to be torn apart by a mob, be executed after a kangaroo trial or be hunted down by some other foe. Also, thanks Varric for having my Inquisitor's back while your girlfriend threatened her. I would not let that fly if the situation was reversed in the game or in real life. Seriously, it kind of reflects badly back on Varric. Is he just shrugging and fondly going: "Oh, that's my Bianca. Always threatening my friends with bodily harm." It probably doesn't help that I am sick of seeing it be treated as romantic or sweet when a character threatens someone else about their loved one's safety when the person they're threatening have done more to ensure the safety of their loved ones than the character themselves has. Seriously, I'd love for a scene wherein one of their loved ones sees this happening and tells them off for it. It's not romantic or sweet: It's just being an asshole. Note: I'm not in the crowd that wanted to romance Bianca and I had no real expectations as to what she'd be like so my reaction to her is not influenced by either of those two things.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 24, 2018 0:18:34 GMT
Bianca Davri.But things like Varric's shilling of her abilities can be excused because he's obviously biased. And the "threat" towards the Inquisitor did come immediately after a huge bust-up with Varric, so she was definitely lashing out in frustration at the first person she saw (someone everyone will have done at some point). Neither of those things really seem like justifiable reasons (at least IMO) to call her the worst character in the franchise (particularly when someone like Vivienne exists). I haven't called her the worst character in the franchise but I'm certainly not fond of her. Now let me regale you with the reason for why which I am sure that you are very interested in and that I am also sure you will become deeply invested in hearing about. I'm on of the people who dislike Bianca and the reason why the scene annoys me is that you cannot respond to Bianca in any way when she makes that threat and leaves. It's fine for a character to be a bitch to our character but it's so fine that our character can't respond back. I'm not asking for the option to murder knife her, not at all, but the ability to answer back in some way. For example, the Inquisitor could assure her that they are doing their best, say that Varric knew what he signed up for, remind Bianca that she should focus on the threat and maybe mention that she had a hand in it or just threaten her back with bodily harm if she screws up again. These of situations are especially aggravating if you are roleplaying a character where it doesn't make sense for them to just accept Bianca's threat. Don't mistake this in any way as me saying you are wrong for whatever opinions you hold about her: I just wanted to offer my reason for disliking her. The short answer is that it's not so much the way that her character is written as it is the way your interactions with her are written. Namely, that the aggravating part is one-sided and that makes me go from indifferent about her to outright disliking her. I don't mind bitchy characters. For example, I like Morrigan and she was a complete bitch in Origins. The difference is that I could respond to Morrigan when she was being bitchy including towards me but I couldn't respond to Bianca which sucked especially from a roleplaying perspective. Note: I'm not in the crowd that wanted to romance Bianca and I had no real expectations as to what she'd be like so my reaction to her is not influenced by either of those two things.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 24, 2018 1:06:16 GMT
It probably doesn't help that I am sick of seeing it be treated as romantic or sweet when a character threatens someone else about their loved one's safety when the person they're threatening have done more to ensure the safety of their loved ones than the character themselves has. Seriously, I'd love for a scene wherein one of their loved ones sees this happening and tells them off for it. It's not romantic or sweet: It's just being an asshole. Out of curiosity, does this apply to if the relationship between the two characters are friends? For example I liked how Isabela and Leliana were protective of Merrill and Josephine respectively since both pairs had like a sisterly relationship with each other, with the big sister looking out for the little sister in this case. Though I suppose a big difference is in both scenes they also wished you and your LI the best and trust/hope you'll care for them as well.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 24, 2018 4:31:34 GMT
Out of curiosity, does this apply to if the relationship between the two characters are friends? For example I liked how Isabela and Leliana were protective of Merrill and Josephine respectively since both pairs had like a sisterly relationship with each other, with the big sister looking out for the little sister in this case. Though I suppose a big difference is in both scenes they also wished you and your LI the best and trust/hope you'll care for them as well. It can apply to friendships as well: it's actually why I used loved ones instead of something more specific. I decided to track down a video of the scene as I'd never seen it myself. Isabella says the threat in a tone that's very playful and friendly so it's easy to interpret it either way depending on how one chooses to. For example, if you're on an "evil" playthrough, it can be interpreted as her making a casual threat and if you are on a "good" playthrough, it can be interpreted as her just making a jest. For that reason, it doesn't bother me that there's no way of replying to it. I also like it because I think it can used to reflect Isabella's character to some extent: Her banter with Merill gives me the impression that Isabella perceives her as someone who could easily be exploited emotionally by someone and Isabella also seems the sort who'd suspect others of being capable of some things because she herself is capable of those things. Basically, it's case of thief thinks every man steals. I know of the one between Leliana and the Inquisitor but I'm not sure if I've seen seen it and I'd have to do that first to really form an opinion of it.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Mar 25, 2018 10:28:07 GMT
One of the characters I'd like to see returning for DA4 would be Ser Barris.
If the game's going to be set in Tevinter him being a templar would be a great boon...also we've never had an actual templar as a party member.
Just an opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 11:02:50 GMT
One of the characters I'd like to see returning for DA4 would be Ser Barris. If the game's going to be set in Tevinter him being a templar would be a great boon...also we've never had an actual templar as a party member. Just an opinion. I SIR BARRIS! YES BRING HIM BACK!!!!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 25, 2018 19:53:14 GMT
Out of curiosity, does this apply to if the relationship between the two characters are friends? For example I liked how Isabela and Leliana were protective of Merrill and Josephine respectively since both pairs had like a sisterly relationship with each other, with the big sister looking out for the little sister in this case. Though I suppose a big difference is in both scenes they also wished you and your LI the best and trust/hope you'll care for them as well. It can apply to friendships as well: it's actually why I used loved ones instead of something more specific. I decided to track down a video of the scene as I'd never seen it myself. Isabella says the threat in a tone that's very playful and friendly so it's easy to interpret it either way depending on how one chooses to. For example, if you're on an "evil" playthrough, it can be interpreted as her making a casual threat and if you are on a "good" playthrough, it can be interpreted as her just making a jest. For that reason, it doesn't bother me that there's no way of replying to it. I also like it because I think it can used to reflect Isabella's character to some extent: Her banter with Merill gives me the impression that Isabella perceives her as someone who could easily be exploited emotionally by someone and Isabella also seems the sort who'd suspect others of being capable of some things because she herself is capable of those things. Basically, it's case of thief thinks every man steals. I know of the one between Leliana and the Inquisitor but I'm not sure if I've seen seen it and I'd have to do that first to really form an opinion of it. Ah, okay. Thank you for answering. Here is a video showing a version of that scene with Leliana(this scene unlike the others mentioned you are able to respond):
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Post by shechinah on Mar 25, 2018 20:30:13 GMT
It can apply to friendships as well: it's actually why I used loved ones instead of something more specific. I decided to track down a video of the scene as I'd never seen it myself. Isabella says the threat in a tone that's very playful and friendly so it's easy to interpret it either way depending on how one chooses to. For example, if you're on an "evil" playthrough, it can be interpreted as her making a casual threat and if you are on a "good" playthrough, it can be interpreted as her just making a jest. For that reason, it doesn't bother me that there's no way of replying to it. I also like it because I think it can used to reflect Isabella's character to some extent: Her banter with Merill gives me the impression that Isabella perceives her as someone who could easily be exploited emotionally by someone and Isabella also seems the sort who'd suspect others of being capable of some things because she herself is capable of those things. Basically, it's case of thief thinks every man steals. I know of the one between Leliana and the Inquisitor but I'm not sure if I've seen seen it and I'd have to do that first to really form an opinion of it. Ah, okay. Thank you for answering. Here is a video showing a version of that scene with Leliana(this scene unlike the others mentioned you are able to respond):
That one I also don't have anything against in part because the Inquisitor can respond and in part because of how Leliana acts. She's engaging the Inquisitor in a civilized conversation about her concerns regarding his relationship to her friend and letting him in on how Josephine may misinterpret their relationship and in what way he should be aware that she might do this. She also notes that she hasn't known the Inquisitor for long enough to really get a grasp of who they are as a person which is part of why she's unsure of their intent. I like how she seems a bit tense in the beginning of the conversation but that tension evaporates and her tone turns more casual when the Inquisitor assures her. It genuinely comes across as someone being concerned for her friend and expresses those concerns to the friend's love interest without being unnecessarily hostile or confrontational. It feels sincere and for that reason, I like it better than most conversations where a character goes "If you hurt her, I hurt you."Her line at the end: "I will not trouble you further... but I do watch over my friends." works fine here because of its tone and because Leliana is used to people lying to her face and wearing masks. She knows words are secondary to actions: the Inquisitor may say that he cares about Josephine but Leliana has not known him long enough to know if that is the case or how he treats his relationships. For all she knows, he could be someone who puts on a charming mask, seduces women and then leaves them be afterwards and for all she knows, he could the kind of person who would not dream of doing such a thing and would always treat them kindly. To Leliana, how he treats Josephine will have to be the the proof of how he truly feels about her. She's basically saying that she'll give the Inquisitor the benefit of the doubt and won't give them trouble about their relationship to Josephine as long as they don't prove themselves a liar that was playing with Josephine's emotions all along. Her conversation can additionally also be read as her warning the Inquisitor that Josephine will likely fall in love with him if he continues to engage with her the way that he has been. He should either set the message straight and make it clear to Josephine what he thinks their relationship is unless he thinks he could reciprocate.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 29, 2018 18:28:24 GMT
So; Isabela threatening Hawke if they hurt Merrill (romantically) is fine. Leliana threatening the Inquisitor if they hurt Josephine (romantically) is fine. Whereas; Bianca threatening the Inquisitor if Varric gets hurt (physically), somehow goes beyond the pale? Seems legit.
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Post by azuremazey on Mar 29, 2018 23:51:35 GMT
I always love the characters and get excited to see them back. I'd love to see any of these: Dorian, Fenris, Krem, Iron Bull, Harding, Isabela, and Nathaniel.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 1, 2018 20:34:48 GMT
Been asking for him since DA2. I know it's useless and I'm in the minority but I don't care. I'd love to see Oghren again, especially if we learn he's finally gotten off the lash since Awakening. (If the Wardens made Anders give up Ser Pounce for making him "too soft", them nailing Oghren to the wagon for being "too drunk" seems only fair) Would kinda like to see what a sober Oghren would be like and how different (or not) he is from the guy we know during Origins/Awakening. I doubt that he'd be much different in terms of his manners and attitude, but I'd like to to think he might have made the effort for the sake of his kid. His letter from WOT states that he wants to do right by "the nugget", even if he can't be around all the time, so learning that he kept that promise would be rather heartwarming. I always love the characters and get excited to see them back. I'd love to see any of these: Dorian, Fenris, Krem, Iron Bull, Harding, Isabela, and Nathaniel. Dorian for companion or an advisor-type role. Harding for companion and love interest (sorry Inquisitor, you had your chance) Fenris for a side-quest where you help him hunt slavers along the Tevinter/Nevarra border Krem and Iron Bull for a side-quest in a Nevarran border town, where you are given information to deliver to Dorian. (It'd have to be Nevarra, because a runaway slave, deserter and ex-Qunari spy aren't likely to risk coming into the Imperium) Isabela for a chain of side-quests, drawing upon her many contacts. (She's a high-ranking Admiral within the Felicisima Armada, good friends with Varric, has met Mae and worked as a field agent for the Inquisition. But really, any excuse to have Isabela and Victoria Kruger return is fine by me) Nathaniel for a cameo as the new Warden-Commander of Ferelden, since the HoF is either dead or busy searching for a cure. (Last Flight mentioned Ferelden having a new Commander and I think Nathaniel would be a fine choice. Bioware could even break the fourth wall by having Nathaniel unsure how people might react to his appointment, due to having large shoes to fill. Also after the Justice and Anders retcon in DA2, having all the Awakening Wardens alive/recruited wouldn't be unprecedented, not to mention far easier on the writers)
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Post by vertigomez on Apr 3, 2018 4:40:43 GMT
......I still just want to see everyone looking shiny and new in Frostbite. I mean, I also want to see several characters because, you know... I love them or I think they're going to be plot-important. But also, SHINY! I need to scrub Zevran's DA2 model from my mind. I want to see Merrill and Fenris and Sten etc. in this new engine. :dumb:
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Post by DragonEffect on Apr 10, 2018 7:05:38 GMT
Here's a thought: the Inquisition will likely return as an established and well respected institution of Thedas. And it could actually stand in the way of the new protagonist's mission, even try to stop them at some point. DA4 won't necessarily continue the Inquisitor's story. Just think of DA:I and the Wardens, the very organisation our protagonist was a part of in the first installment of the series (Origins). One game later, the Wardens start as foes of our new protagonist, the Inquisitor. We had to invade their fortress and fight them. It was only after the crisis in the Fade was averted that they stopped attacking your protagonist. Hence why DA4 won't necessarily show the Inquisition in a favourable light. Not after the Epilogue narrated by Morrigan hinted the Inquisition continued to grow in power and influence, and with it now being the Divine's strongest defendant, its association with a traditional, secular power puts the Inquisition in an uncomfortable position: one where you are surrounded by rivals, backstabing allies and enemies everywhere. That is to say, a feared institution, with too much power in its hands. A Leviathan. Your protagonist could be someone unjustly convicted by the Inquisitor who somehow escaped Skyhold before their sentence was passed. Imagine having to lead a Resistance against the Inquisition alongside other people and interests who were wronged by the institution you worked so hard to build in the previous game? What if you became a rallying cry for those who suffered injustices at the Divine's most powerful ally's hand? What IF the protagonist of DA4 became a leader that rivalled with the Inquisitor, a symbol of freedom against tyranny? ~ william wallace momentAnd how would that rivalry between you and the Inquisitor be affected by Solas' schemes? Could his introduction in DA4 actually disrupt that rivalry somehow and force you to reluctantly join forces with the Inquisitor? Or would your protagonist choose to help Solas instead? The plot would then revolve around two core forces: the established order (Chantry + Inquisition) versus a new world born of raw chaos (Solas lifting the Veil). Order vs Chaos (much like in the Elric of Melniboné series, now that I think of it). There's also the matter of the Qunari invasion, which by DA4 should happen (I mean, c'mon, it has been foreshadowed ever since Origins and still NOTHING ) and how it could destroy Tevinter or strengthen an alliance between some Southern Nations and the Imperium. With the Inquisition being (possibly) allies with Dorian or Calpernia, this could make for an interesting development. Where would the Inquisitor stand in this alliance? Would a friendship somehow ruin another alliance with a Southern Nation, like Orlais or Ferelden? IMO, I think the first half of DA4 should be dedicated to attending to the remaining political matters in Thedas: the Resistance against the Inquisition (if there will be any), the Qunari invasion, what will happen to the Imperium, what happened to the Wardens and the Circles of magic, asf. Then a MAJOR event could introduce the events of the second half, where the magic bit will consume the plot: Solas could reappear and succeed in lifting the Veil, the Titans could awaken and shake the foundations of Thedas (dwarves would discover their magical abilities everywhere), the remaining Archdemons could wake up from their slumber and terrorize the surface, elves would suffer a transformation fom this raw contact with the Fade and rise against humans everywhere, asf. Would the world end or would our protagonist have some relevance to prevent the Apocalypse, maybe a special power of sorts that was so far ignored? Anyway, those are just a few ideas, written in a bit of a rush. I wonder what you people think of all this.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 10, 2018 17:33:52 GMT
Here's a thought: the Inquisition will likely return as an established and well respected institution of Thedas. And it could actually stand in the way of the new protagonist's mission, even try to stop them at some point. DA4 won't necessarily continue the Inquisitor's story. Just think of DA:I and the Wardens, the very organisation our protagonist was a part of in the first installment of the series (Origins). One game later, the Wardens start as foes of our new protagonist, the Inquisitor. We had to invade their fortress and fight them. It was only after the crisis in the Fade was averted that they stopped attacking your protagonist. Hence why DA4 won't necessarily show the Inquisition in a favourable light. Not after the Epilogue narrated by Morrigan hinted the Inquisition continued to grow in power and influence, and with it now being the Divine's strongest defendant, its association with a traditional, secular power puts the Inquisition in an uncomfortable position: one where you are surrounded by rivals, backstabing allies and enemies everywhere. That is to say, a feared institution, with too much power in its hands. A Leviathan. Your protagonist could be someone unjustly convicted by the Inquisitor who somehow escaped Skyhold before their sentence was passed. Imagine having to lead a Resistance against the Inquisition alongside other people and interests who were wronged by the institution you worked so hard to build in the previous game? What if you became a rallying cry for those who suffered injustices at the Divine's most powerful ally's hand? What IF the protagonist of DA4 became a leader that rivalled with the Inquisitor, a symbol of freedom against tyranny? ~ william wallace momentAnd how would that rivalry between you and the Inquisitor be affected by Solas' schemes? Could his introduction in DA4 actually disrupt that rivalry somehow and force you to reluctantly join forces with the Inquisitor? Or would your protagonist choose to help Solas instead? The plot would then revolve around two core forces: the established order (Chantry + Inquisition) versus a new world born of raw chaos (Solas lifting the Veil). Order vs Chaos (much like in the Elric of Melniboné series, now that I think of it). There's also the matter of the Qunari invasion, which by DA4 should happen (I mean, c'mon, it has been foreshadowed ever since Origins and still NOTHING ) and how it could destroy Tevinter or strengthen an alliance between some Southern Nations and the Imperium. With the Inquisition being (possibly) allies with Dorian or Calpernia, this could make for an interesting development. Where would the Inquisitor stand in this alliance? Would a friendship somehow ruin another alliance with a Southern Nation, like Orlais or Ferelden? IMO, I think the first half of DA4 should be dedicated to attending to the remaining political matters in Thedas: the Resistance against the Inquisition (if there will be any), the Qunari invasion, what will happen to the Imperium, what happened to the Wardens and the Circles of magic, asf. Then a MAJOR event could introduce the events of the second half, where the magic bit will consume the plot: Solas could reappear and succeed in lifting the Veil, the Titans could awaken and shake the foundations of Thedas (dwarves would discover their magical abilities everywhere), the remaining Archdemons could wake up from their slumber and terrorize the surface, elves would suffer a transformation fom this raw contact with the Fade and rise against humans everywhere, asf. Would the world end or would our protagonist have some relevance to prevent the Apocalypse, maybe a special power of sorts that was so far ignored? Anyway, those are just a few ideas, written in a bit of a rush. I wonder what you people think of all this. I can't say that I'm ever a fan of the idea of our previous protagonist suddenly being an antagonist for sake of drama. The reason why the Wardens worked for me in general as being a broken organization we somewhat have to oppose is because they, as a faction, are basically separate from our previous Warden anyway. S/he basically did everything alone aside from the collection of unaffiliated misfits and at least one other Warden, who in many playthroughs wouldn't even be a Warden anymore, and if he is, also opposes them. I'd be more willing to accept a rogue former Inquisitor that is now at odds with what remains of the old Inquisition, now absorbed by the Orlesian Chantry, but that's kind of treading too-familiar territory. I'm just wary of previous characters being reintroduced solely so they can be broken. It was bad enough seeing my snarky Hawke reduced to that somber NPC, making me wonder what the point of that choice in the Tapestry was. I'm more keen on the idea of our next protag being a beneficiary of our Inquisitor, an agent contacted to do the dirty dealings in Tevinter that they may not be able to. Heck, maybe Scout Harding could be that contact that gets us out of some prologue predicament and takes our humble nobody to start the hero journey (bonus points if she becomes a follower at that point). Given that at least the final scene in Trespasser always occurs, I feel that this would make the most sense.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 10, 2018 20:27:07 GMT
Lace Harding, please... Guaranteed not dead, stands to reason. She definitely needs to be a Love Interest. (And wearing her namesake during the romance scene #LaceforLace) :amirite:
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Post by Elfen Lied on Apr 13, 2018 13:29:10 GMT
I would be very surprised if we don't get to see Dorian in DA4 even if I don't expect him to be a companion. The same goes for Calpurnia with the difference that I expect her to be ALSO a companion. As for characters from previous games (DA:O/DA2), well... I'm still waiting for a certain Charade Amell to be brought back as a companion. Give me either her or Calpurnia and it will be immediate preorder.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Apr 13, 2018 22:16:29 GMT
Solas, Dorian, Calpernia (Companion and Love Interest please. I really don´t care for Calpernia Marius relationship) and Sten as the new Arishok are almost as sure as eggs ist eggs. Bevin or Valora as Cameos would be really surprising and cool.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 23:49:04 GMT
Solas, Dorian, Calpernia (Companion and Love Interest please. I really don´t care for Calpernia Marius relationship) and Sten as the new Arishok are almost as sure as eggs ist eggs. Bevin or Valora as Cameos would be really surprising and cool. I'm dying to see Sten again...aaaand Bevin from the closet. Sure, why not? Valora I had to look up and I still can't remember her, but that's how I was with Merrill so Valora is as likely as anyone I suppose.
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Post by jadedragon on Apr 14, 2018 1:40:46 GMT
Along with Stem (The Arishok) I would love to see Rasaan from the comics who is possibly Ariqun cause she was next in line. Maybe even the assassination of the previous Ariqun can be what kicks off the Qunari Invasion and Rasaan takes his role as the game progresses.
Isabela should make a proper return as a Admiral for the Raiders. Raiders and Isabela personally have history with the Qun. So her returning in some form not as a companion but maybe advisor or in general a npc would be a good touch.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Apr 14, 2018 10:02:22 GMT
Solas, Dorian, Calpernia (Companion and Love Interest please. I really don´t care for Calpernia Marius relationship) and Sten as the new Arishok are almost as sure as eggs ist eggs. Bevin or Valora as Cameos would be really surprising and cool. I'm dying to see Sten again...aaaand Bevin from the closet. Sure, why not? Valora I had to look up and I still can't remember her, but that's how I was with Merrill so Valora is as likely as anyone I suppose. In the Origins epilogue it says that Bevin will be become a great adventurer. Therefore is not far-fetched that we might see him in Tevinter or else. Like Dagna i could imagine that he will show up in DA 4 regardless what you do in Origins. Only his dialogue could be diffferent. I don´t see him as companion and romance. That would be a little bit awkward. Like Fallout 4 MacCready. But as cameo or questgiver he will be a fine choice. I fully unterstand that Valora from all the Origins characters would be very surprising but i want a bit Fanservice for the City Elves Players. You can argue that Cyrion or Valendrian who also been kidnapped to Tevinter are more noticeable than Valora. But they are old and only one of them gets kidnapped. Valora is the only one who always get kidnapped. Also she is young. I can see Valora as an elven servant and therefore as cameo in some Tevinter mansion. Nothing groundbreaking but i fine reminder for people who played the City Elf Origin.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 14:55:01 GMT
I'm dying to see Sten again...aaaand Bevin from the closet. Sure, why not? Valora I had to look up and I still can't remember her, but that's how I was with Merrill so Valora is as likely as anyone I suppose. In the Origins epilogue it says that Bevin will be become a great adventurer. Therefore is not far-fetched that we might see him in Tevinter or else. Like Dagna i could imagine that he will show up in DA 4 regardless what you do in Origins. Only his dialogue could be diffferent. I don´t see him as companion and romance. That would be a little bit awkward. Like Fallout 4 MacCready. But as cameo or questgiver he will be a fine choice. I fully unterstand that Valora from all the Origins characters would be very surprising but i want a bit Fanservice for the City Elves Players. You can argue that Cyrion or Valendrian who also been kidnapped to Tevinter are more noticeable than Valora. But they are old and only one of them gets kidnapped. Valora is the only one who always get kidnapped. Also she is young. I can see Valora as an elven servant and therefore as cameo in some Tevinter mansion. Nothing groundbreaking but i fine reminder for people who played the City Elf Origin. Ah, yes! The part where Loghain sold city elves to Tevinter slavers, that is where Valora is from! It's been too long since I played Origins.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Apr 14, 2018 15:17:51 GMT
Well Valora gets mentioned twice by Shianni and her potentially husband Soris. You only see her in flesh in the City Elf Origin. linkMaybe you would prefer Varania (Fenris Sister) ? Too bad there is no Keep tile for Variana but is less important what happened to Danzig, Ginnis or Ketojan. The latter always dies who cares how. Maybe DA 4 need a Danzig and Varian Ilithis Cameo?
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Post by Sifr on Apr 16, 2018 0:34:05 GMT
In the Origins epilogue it says that Bevin will be become a great adventurer. Ah damn, Inquisition missed a golden opportunity to have put Bevin in the Sutherland role. The Warden (potentially) set him on the path to become a hero, while the Inquisitor (potentially) helped him get there.
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