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Post by warden on Apr 16, 2018 6:38:56 GMT
In the Origins epilogue it says that Bevin will be become a great adventurer. Ah damn, Inquisition missed a golden opportunity to have put Bevin in the Sutherland role. The Warden (potentially) set him on the path to become a hero, while the Inquisitor (potentially) helped him get there. there was a epilogue slide in Awakening if you spared some common folk that one guy would become a very famous hero and founded an order that lasted for thousand years, I think Alec or something like that was called, there is also the Silver order, but epilogues had to be made non canon what if, because nobody was going to write sequels around that.
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Post by ergates on Apr 19, 2018 9:19:55 GMT
Would everyone hate me if I admitted that what I really want is just a continuation of DA:O with my Warden as the PC and the story focusing around him and his quest to find a neutralise the negative effects of the taint?
It's never going to happen in a million years, but that's what I'd want most of all. I admit it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 13:27:32 GMT
Would everyone hate me if I admitted that what I really want is just a continuation of DA:O with my Warden as the PC and the story focusing around him and his quest to find a neutralise the negative effects of the taint? That actually sounds amazing actually.
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Post by ergates on Apr 19, 2018 14:21:44 GMT
Phew, glad I'm not the only one. I always feel that the Warden's story was left incomplete, and lacked proper closure.
On the other hand I recall lots of posts from people after the DA:I announcement was released asking if their wardens would feature in the game, and most were shouted down with "the Warden is finished, we don't want to revisit him deal with it" type comments
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Post by Yermogi on Apr 22, 2018 12:18:14 GMT
Bianca Davri.Wait! Before you all grab your friggin' pitchforks, can we all acknowledge that crucifying her character based on a scant 15 minutes of screen time seems a bit friggin' daft? It'd be like disliking Merrill for how she appeared in the Dalish Origin (where she was a no-nonsense hardass), rather than how she appeared in DA2 (where she was an adorkable cuckoolander) I will admit there are several issues in Bianca's presentation in Inquisition and she did appear a tad conceited at times. But things like Varric's shilling of her abilities can be excused because he's obviously biased. And the "threat" towards the Inquisitor did come immediately after a huge bust-up with Varric, so she was definitely lashing out in frustration at the first person she saw (someone everyone will have done at some point). Neither of those things really seem like justifiable reasons (at least IMO) to call her the worst character in the franchise (particularly when someone like Vivienne exists). I would accept an appearance by Bianca Davri only if I get to punch her for being an insufferable, conceited twit. I don't think she's the worst character in the franchise, I just think she's the result of lazy writing and terrible presentation. I have less than zero interest in interacting with her again. Her participation in the story should end with Varric. I don't see anyone from Origins making it in there. The only possible exception would be if they wanted to show the results of the Warden's quest for the removal of the Taint, and they added in a brief moment with the Warden's LI to catch us up on what's happened. However, if DA4 is set more than 5-6 years after the events of Trespasser, it's unlikely that the Warden is still living if they hadn't found a cure by that point. The Joining shortens a person's lifespan to about 20 years, and Inquisitions takes place in 9:41, about ten years after they joined- that means they're already more than halfway through their time. Trespasser takes place in 9:44, so if the next game takes place much longer after that... well, we might find a codex about a grave with a marking indicating that it's the Hero of Ferelden. We may have companions from DA2 show up- I would say Fenris and Isabela are the most likely to appear, given that the first is from Tevinter and would go back to kill lots of people, and the second is a sea-faring pirate who could be anywhere at any time- she doesn't have a schedule. I agree with others that Varric is unlikely to make an appearance again now that he's Viscount of Kirkwall. Of all the Inquisitor's companions, the only one likely to make it into the next game is Dorian. Possibly Cole, but I think that his character could go so wildly one of two ways that I think it would be more realistic for him to have a short cameo. The others would have no reason to be there- and Bull would be killed if he went to far into Tevinter himself. EDIT: You know what random character I would actually LOVE to see return? Finn, from Witch Hunter. I thought he was hysterical. I loved that adorkable guy, I'd have him in my group. Plus, he seems like he'd do well in Tevinter's much more open society.
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Post by rras1994 on Apr 22, 2018 12:22:25 GMT
Bianca Davri.Wait! Before you all grab your friggin' pitchforks, can we all acknowledge that crucifying her character based on a scant 15 minutes of screen time seems a bit friggin' daft? It'd be like disliking Merrill for how she appeared in the Dalish Origin (where she was a no-nonsense hardass), rather than how she appeared in DA2 (where she was an adorkable cuckoolander) I will admit there are several issues in Bianca's presentation in Inquisition and she did appear a tad conceited at times. But things like Varric's shilling of her abilities can be excused because he's obviously biased. And the "threat" towards the Inquisitor did come immediately after a huge bust-up with Varric, so she was definitely lashing out in frustration at the first person she saw (someone everyone will have done at some point). Neither of those things really seem like justifiable reasons (at least IMO) to call her the worst character in the franchise (particularly when someone like Vivienne exists). I would accept an appearance by Bianca Davri only if I get to punch her for being an insufferable, conceited twit. I don't think she's the worst character in the franchise, I just think she's the result of lazy writing and terrible presentation. I have less than zero interest in interacting with her again. Her participation in the story should end with Varric. I don't see anyone from Origins making it in there. The only possible exception would be if they wanted to show the results of the Warden's quest for the removal of the Taint, and they added in a brief moment with the Warden's LI to catch us up on what's happened. However, if DA4 is set more than 5-6 years after the events of Trespasser, it's unlikely that the Warden is still living if they hadn't found a cure by that point. The Joining shortens a person's lifespan to about 20 years, and Inquisitions takes place in 9:41, about ten years after they joined- that means they're already more than halfway through their time. Trespasser takes place in 9:44, so if the next game takes place much longer after that... well, we might find a codex about a grave with a marking indicating that it's the Hero of Ferelden. We may have companions from DA2 show up- I would say Fenris and Isabela are the most likely to appear, given that the first is from Tevinter and would go back to kill lots of people, and the second is a sea-faring pirate who could be anywhere at any time- she doesn't have a schedule. I agree with others that Varric is unlikely to make an appearance again now that he's Viscount of Kirkwall. Of all the Inquisitor's companions, the only one likely to make it into the next game is Dorian. Possibly Cole, but I think that his character could go so wildly one of two ways that I think it would be more realistic for him to have a short cameo. The others would have no reason to be there- and Bull would be killed if he went to far into Tevinter himself. EDIT: You know what random character I would actually LOVE to see return? Finn, from Witch Hunter. I thought he was hysterical. I loved that adorkable guy, I'd have him in my group. Plus, he seems like he'd do well in Tevinter's much more open society. You don't see Sten making an appearance when he is now the Arishok? I mean he does appear in one of the slides in Trespasser.
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Post by Yermogi on Apr 22, 2018 12:26:15 GMT
You don't see Sten making an appearance when he is now the Arishok? I mean he does appear in one of the slides in Trespasser. No, I don't think so. From what little we know, it sounds like the Arishok only leaves Par Vollen when he absolutely has no choice whatsoever. I mean, he's more likely to show than Wynne or Oghren (sadly), but I'm not convinced.
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Post by rras1994 on Apr 22, 2018 12:33:31 GMT
You don't see Sten making an appearance when he is now the Arishok? I mean he does appear in one of the slides in Trespasser. No, I don't think so. From what little we know, it sounds like the Arishok only leaves Par Vollen when he absolutely has no choice whatsoever. I mean, he's more likely to show than Wynne or Oghren (sadly), but I'm not convinced. I could see us end up going to Par Vollen, there seems to be a lot of lore surrounding Par Vollen (humans are considered to have come from here) that makes me think we will encounter it at some point. Of course there's a lot of events they could go into for the next DA4 so it's hard to predict exactly where they are going to focus on, but they do seem to have made a big deal about the Vint/Qun conflict so Par Vollen could be quite high on the places they will want to go.
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Post by London on May 8, 2018 21:40:25 GMT
Waiting for them to give up, and write Leliana into the script with Morrigan, Cullen, and Alistair showing up for Cameos.
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Post by vertigomez on May 8, 2018 22:19:15 GMT
I want Dagna's dad to show up so I can punch him in the balls.
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Post by duskwanderer on May 12, 2018 5:07:30 GMT
I want as few recurring characters as possible. I call for an inverse polarity. If they were important to previous games, their role can't be greater than a cameo. If they were cameo or very minor, then I'm okay with more. But fresh characters over already used.
I'd like to see Charade come back as a playable character. She was fun and sassy, and her character quests could introduce us to Bethany/Carver. It would be an easy way to encourage a second playthrough to see the other questlines. She's almost a fantasy Lara Croft.
Give me an elf who is annoyed with the concept of returning to the past. Show me one elf that has the sense to say: "We were wiped out when we turned isolationist. Several times. Let's see if we can figure out a better way."
Give me a dwarf who is proud of the traditions of the Stone. All the dwarves we get as playable characters are outcasts. Give me a quest in the Deep Roads, get the dwarf exiled, then make his plotline quest the futile snipe hunt of him trying to be a Paragon. But at the same time, make him welcoming of other races (even if he thinks they'd be better off with the Stone)
Give me a Magister who is proud of his traditions but encourages positive growth. Make him an Imperial Father so we can see the stark differences of the Imperial priesthood. Make him accept slavery and produce reasoned arguments against its abolition (there are tons of slaves, you'll disrupt the economy in enough time for everyone to starve because no one harvests food).
Show me someone with an actually good marriage.
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Post by Catilina on May 12, 2018 9:29:10 GMT
I want as few recurring characters as possible. I call for an inverse polarity. If they were important to previous games, their role can't be greater than a cameo. If they were cameo or very minor, then I'm okay with more. But fresh characters over already used. I'd like to see Charade come back as a playable character. She was fun and sassy, and her character quests could introduce us to Bethany/Carver. It would be an easy way to encourage a second playthrough to see the other questlines. She's almost a fantasy Lara Croft. Give me an elf who is annoyed with the concept of returning to the past. Show me one elf that has the sense to say: "We were wiped out when we turned isolationist. Several times. Let's see if we can figure out a better way." Give me a dwarf who is proud of the traditions of the Stone. All the dwarves we get as playable characters are outcasts. Give me a quest in the Deep Roads, get the dwarf exiled, then make his plotline quest the futile snipe hunt of him trying to be a Paragon. But at the same time, make him welcoming of other races (even if he thinks they'd be better off with the Stone) Give me a Magister who is proud of his traditions but encourages positive growth. Make him an Imperial Father so we can see the stark differences of the Imperial priesthood. Make him accept slavery and produce reasoned arguments against its abolition (there are tons of slaves, you'll disrupt the economy in enough time for everyone to starve because no one harvests food).
Show me someone with an actually good marriage. You speak about Dorian... Except for the Imperial Divine stuff. He probably will be the Archon. (And we'll see his opinion about the slavery.)
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Post by duskwanderer on May 12, 2018 10:47:44 GMT
I want as few recurring characters as possible. I call for an inverse polarity. If they were important to previous games, their role can't be greater than a cameo. If they were cameo or very minor, then I'm okay with more. But fresh characters over already used. I'd like to see Charade come back as a playable character. She was fun and sassy, and her character quests could introduce us to Bethany/Carver. It would be an easy way to encourage a second playthrough to see the other questlines. She's almost a fantasy Lara Croft. Give me an elf who is annoyed with the concept of returning to the past. Show me one elf that has the sense to say: "We were wiped out when we turned isolationist. Several times. Let's see if we can figure out a better way." Give me a dwarf who is proud of the traditions of the Stone. All the dwarves we get as playable characters are outcasts. Give me a quest in the Deep Roads, get the dwarf exiled, then make his plotline quest the futile snipe hunt of him trying to be a Paragon. But at the same time, make him welcoming of other races (even if he thinks they'd be better off with the Stone) Give me a Magister who is proud of his traditions but encourages positive growth. Make him an Imperial Father so we can see the stark differences of the Imperial priesthood. Make him accept slavery and produce reasoned arguments against its abolition (there are tons of slaves, you'll disrupt the economy in enough time for everyone to starve because no one harvests food).
Show me someone with an actually good marriage. You speak about Dorian... Except for the Imperial Divine stuff. He probably will be the Archon. (And we'll see his opinion about the slavery.) No, I'm not speaking about Dorian. He never encourages positive growth in others, he's too self-focused and whiny.
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Post by Catilina on May 12, 2018 10:57:52 GMT
You speak about Dorian... Except for the Imperial Divine stuff. He probably will be the Archon. (And we'll see his opinion about the slavery.) No, I'm not speaking about Dorian. He never encourages positive growth in others, he's too self-focused and whiny. It's totally wrong. Yes, he has his own issues, but he wants to back to Tevinter for Tevinter, not for (just) himself. He loves Tevinter, despite he sees the problems, and wants to change, because of it. He's exactly that Magister, whom you described, only do you don't see.
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Post by Sifr on May 12, 2018 16:53:44 GMT
Show me someone with an actually good marriage. Aveline and Wesley Vallen had a good marriage... until he died.
Leandra and Malcolm Hawke had a good marriage... until he died. Bryce and Eleanour Cousland had a good marriage... until both of them died. Cyrion and Adaia Tabris had a good marriage... until she died. Mahariel's parents had a good marriage... until he died, then she wandered off to die.
Okay, maybe we should amend this to good marriages... that don't end in tragic deaths.
(So far, Aveline and Donnic Hendyr are the only example I can think of that didn't end in tragedy *touch wood*)
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Post by vertigomez on May 12, 2018 17:07:56 GMT
Show me someone with an actually good marriage. Aveline and Wesley Vallen had a good marriage... until he died.
Leandra and Malcolm Hawke had a good marriage... until he died. Bryce and Eleanour Cousland had a good marriage... until both of them died. Cyrion and Adaia Tabris had a good marriage... until she died. Mahariel's parents had a good marriage... until he died, then she wandered off to die.
Okay, maybe we should amend this to good marriages... that don't end in tragic deaths. (So far, Aveline and Donnic Hendyr are the only example I can think of that didn't end in tragedy *touch wood*) Inky and Sera/Cullen seem to be doing alright? And Alistair plus Anora/Cousland are functional at the very least. Lol. And Bhelen marries Rica if you put him on the throne. For a given definition of "good", anyway...
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Post by Sifr on May 12, 2018 17:40:43 GMT
Inky and Sera/Cullen seem to be doing alright? And Alistair plus Anora/Cousland are functional at the very least. Lol. And Bhelen marries Rica if you put him on the throne. For a given definition of "good", anyway... I completely forgot to include our protagonist's marriages;
Male Couslands can also be ruling Ferelden with Anora and seem to be happy together in Awakening.
Female Hawke can have a chaste marriage to Sebastian.
Morrigan and the Warden are raising Kieran together and doesn't object to the Warden being referred to as her "husband" by the Inquisitor.
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Post by Catilina on May 12, 2018 18:08:18 GMT
vertigomezAbsolutely for a given definition of "good", anyway... Yes, and for example, Anders and my Hawke pretty happy – until the Calling, when he will kill Anders before he loses himself. But we know, perhaps Justice's presence can slow down/eliminate the Taint's effects, so: they live happily ever after. The best couple ever. Fenris and Hawke also a definitely happy end, as every romance can be in DA2 – If Hawke survives the Fade... Morrigan and the Warden can be pretty happy. Sera and the Inquisitor, Cullen and the Inquisitor, and also Bull and the Inquisitor and Cassandra and the Inquisitor – depend on the choice... Leliana and the Warden. Great end! And Dorian? We'll see – I hope. I don't really into the tragedy. So: every my protagonists are happy at least almost every.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 13, 2018 8:27:41 GMT
Give me an elf who is annoyed with the concept of returning to the past. Show me one elf that has the sense to say: "We were wiped out when we turned isolationist. Several times. Let's see if we can figure out a better way." But still wants to identify as an elf and hasn't rejected all their culture. Essentially the elf you describe is my Lavellan, in fact pretty much what Mahariel's father was before he died. The Storyteller in our Dalish clan also seemed to be continuing with his ideas because he says if we ever have another homeland, maybe the city elves can teach them what they have learned about living alongside humans so they can peacefully co-exist with them. I don't think Lanaya would have been isolationist and you would think that after the help with the Blight that the two communities, Dalish and human, could have worked together. Also, the clan in the Exalted Plains wanted to make a peace offering to build bridges after being given the information about Red Crossing but it was our advisors who only very grudgingly wanted to obliged and in fact Leliana preferred to trick the village into thinking it was something else entirely. However, the writers preferred to go in the opposite direction, have the Dalish boon turn out a complete failure and then PW gave us Clan Virnehn and their awful Keeper Thelhen. The sentinels seemed to make it clear that the ancient elves were very isolationist, so ancient Tevinter were not to blame for retaliating when their peaceful envoys and citizens kept being attacked when they strayed into Arlathan Forest (having endured this activity for the best part of 40 years before they took action). So certainly I would recommend ditching the ideas that were handed down by the priesthood of the Evanuris as clearly that is where the ideas about the need for isolation came from. So I'm all for an elf who is proud of what he is but looks to the future rather than the past for how elves should conduct themselves with other races and would tell the Dread Wolf to shove it somewhere painful when he suggests restoring the world of the elves at the expense of everyone else.
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Post by helios969 on May 14, 2018 8:18:17 GMT
Show me someone with an actually good marriage. Aveline and Wesley Vallen had a good marriage... until he died.
Leandra and Malcolm Hawke had a good marriage... until he died. Bryce and Eleanour Cousland had a good marriage... until both of them died. Cyrion and Adaia Tabris had a good marriage... until she died. Mahariel's parents had a good marriage... until he died, then she wandered off to die.
Okay, maybe we should amend this to good marriages... that don't end in tragic deaths.
(So far, Aveline and Donnic Hendyr are the only example I can think of that didn't end in tragedy *touch wood*) Moral of the story: People with good marriages are screwed.
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Post by helios969 on May 14, 2018 8:25:33 GMT
If Calpernia does return, I hope we can bring her to justice for all the atrocities she committed in DAI. You were provided that opportunity in DAI so there shouldn't be a need for any such thing in DA4.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 14, 2018 9:07:19 GMT
If Calpernia does return, I hope we can bring her to justice for all the atrocities she committed in DAI. You were provided that opportunity in DAI so there shouldn't be a need for any such thing in DA4. No we weren’t. You either never encounter her, let her go, or she does a Peter Pan right off of this cliff right here. None involve the opportunity to bring her to justice but instead still have her running around someplace.
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Post by helios969 on May 14, 2018 10:07:40 GMT
You were provided that opportunity in DAI so there shouldn't be a need for any such thing in DA4. No we weren’t. You either never encounter her, let her go, or she does a Peter Pan right off of this cliff right here. None involve the opportunity to bring her to justice but instead still have her running around someplace. Wait, she didn’t commit suicide? If so, then the next question is if we have a new PC will we care?
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Post by vertigomez on May 15, 2018 14:54:23 GMT
I'm still holding out for Mae, Calpernia, Harding (or literally any dwarf), a Tal-Vashoth lady... seriously, if we get any one of those, I'll be thrilled. And Pope Leliana vs. Stenishok softie showdown will never happen but I can dream, damn it. Sten: Leliana, what do you want from me? Leliana: Nothing! I'm just curious. There's a lot we don't know about you, Sten. ...Except that you're a big softie. Sten: Please stop saying that. Leliana: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make fun of you. There's nothing wrong with having a heart, Sten. It's just not what I expected. Sten: Why? Leliana: You're so Qunari! All the stories speak as if you were a hurricane or an earthquake rather than people. Sten: Qunari are most dangerous because we are thinking men and not an unthinking force. Leliana: I don't understand. What do you mean? Sten: For your sake, I hope you never find out.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on May 15, 2018 15:04:26 GMT
And Pope Leliana vs. Stenishok softie showdown will never happen but I can dream, damn it. Sorry but Leliana is the one character who had plenty enough Screentime in the Dragon Age Franchise. Bioware should use Charter instead of her.
In the Knight Errant Comic series they already did that.
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