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Post by vertigomez on May 15, 2018 15:12:10 GMT
And Pope Leliana vs. Stenishok softie showdown will never happen but I can dream, damn it. Sorry but Leliana is the one character who had plenty enough Screentime in the Dragon Age Franchise. Bioware should use Charter instead of her.
In the Knight Errant Comic series they already did that. Charter's not the Divine tho Vivienne, if she's Divine, considers an Exalted March against Par Vollen in retaliation for all the stuff in Trespasser. I just think it'd be extra awesome if it were a conflict beteeen two super powerful people who used to be friends.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on May 15, 2018 15:21:14 GMT
I don´t think that DA 4 really needs Divine Victoria. Of course Bioware will mentioned Victoria or one of her other two incarnations. But it isn´t necessary for DA 4 Plot that she gets another appearance. I am fine with the screentime we have with Victoria in the Trespasser DLC. Bioware should focus more on the Black Divine.
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Post by vertigomez on May 15, 2018 15:24:12 GMT
I don´t think that DA 4 really needs Divine Victoria. Of course Bioware will mentioned Victoria or one of her other two incarnations. But it isn´t necessary for DA 4 Plot that she gets another appearance. I am fine with the screentime we have with Victoria in the Trespasser DLC. Bioware should focus more on the Black Divine. I just assumed there'd be a suitably vague codex entry referring to "Divine Victoria".
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Post by Sifr on May 15, 2018 16:43:07 GMT
I just think it'd be extra awesome if it were a conflict beteeen two super powerful people who used to be friends. Yeah, we've already seen a few companions become enemies through various ideological differences.
Sten's role as the new Arishok put him at odds with Alistair in "Those Who Speak". Despite their past history and mutual respect, the two very nearly ended up killing each other in a heated duel, before Alistair was able to convince him to join forces.
Solas and the Inquisitor can be in this position by Trespasser, same was everyone with Anders after DA2.
Also Sebastian and Varric/Alive, if Anders is still alive. Varric has never been a fan of Sebastian's, so he's definitely not happy about him trying to invade Kirkwall. Aveline mostly got along with Sebastian in DA2, but that doesn't prevent her from leading the resistance movement and trying to drive Starkhaven forces out of the city.
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Post by vertigomez on May 15, 2018 16:51:45 GMT
I just think it'd be extra awesome if it were a conflict beteeen two super powerful people who used to be friends. Yeah, we've already seen a few companions become enemies through various ideological differences.
Sten's role as the new Arishok put him at odds with Alistair in "Those Who Speak". Despite their past history and mutual respect, the two very nearly ended up killing each other in a heated duel, before Alistair was able to convince him to join forces.
Solas and the Inquisitor can be in this position by Trespasser, same was everyone with Anders after DA2.
Also Sebastian and Varric/Alive, if Anders is still alive. Varric has never been a fan of Sebastian's, so he's definitely not happy about him trying to invade Kirkwall. Aveline mostly got along with Sebastian in DA2, but that doesn't prevent her from leading the resistance movement and trying to drive Starkhaven forces out of the city.
I live for this soap opera shit. 😎
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Post by gangrelbeckett on May 15, 2018 17:20:12 GMT
I just assumed there'd be a suitably vague codex entry referring to "Divine Victoria". A few people like the Black Divine or Dorian would mentioned her. I also don´t believe that the Fade Survivor gets even a Cameo.
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Post by Sifr on May 15, 2018 19:44:03 GMT
I live for this soap opera shit. 😎 What about a clash between the companions wishing to preserve Thedas and those wishing to restore a Pre-Veil world full of magic?
Are you Team Skyhold or Team Skyfall?
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Post by vertigomez on May 15, 2018 20:03:24 GMT
I live for this soap opera shit. 😎 What about a clash between the companions wishing to preserve Thedas and those wishing to restore a Pre-Veil world full of magic?
Are you Team Skyhold or Team Skyfall?
Captain America Isabela: Civil War
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Post by gangrelbeckett on May 15, 2018 20:10:51 GMT
Captain America Isabela: Civil War Team Hulk Shale.
She deserved like the Hulk a lot more attention than the others.
I really hope we will get in DA 4 a cool retransformation quest for her.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 10:34:38 GMT
I want to see more of the titans please and the fact that lyrium is their blood and also that red lyrium comes from a blighted titan. Please bioware, wrap up this plotline, please!
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Post by Sifr on May 17, 2018 3:20:30 GMT
Captain America Isabela: Civil War The Qunari agree to drop their hunt for Isabela, but demand a revision to the Llomeryn Accords insisting that;
"All pirates must wear pants"
Aveline: It seems a fair compromise... I think you should grin and bear it. Isabela: Like I've ever needed the Qunari's permission to "grin and bare it" before, why should I start now?
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Post by Sumerian Physics on May 18, 2018 15:56:00 GMT
Morrigan will be a companion in this game. I don't know how bold of a call that is but I'm saying it's 90% assured and I'm calling it now.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on May 18, 2018 16:05:51 GMT
Morrigan will be a companion in this game. I don't know how bold of a call that is but I'm saying it's 90% assured and I'm calling it now. Seriously? I even think that Morrigan won´t get a cameo. But as companion? Bioware don´t like to bring back Companions who were Romances in past games. I guess you want her also as a romance in DA 4?
Sorry but the chances are really bad.
Edit: I believe we get 3 established characters like in DA 2 (Anders, Isabela, Merrill) and DAI (Cassandra, Cole, Varric) For DA 4 that would be likely the obvious ones. Calpernia, Maevaris Tilani and Lace Harding
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Post by Catilina on May 18, 2018 16:36:40 GMT
Morrigan will be a companion in this game. I don't know how bold of a call that is but I'm saying it's 90% assured and I'm calling it now. Seriously? I even think that Morrigan won´t get a cameo. But as companion? Bioware don´t like to bring back Companions who were Romances in past games. I guess you want her also as a romance in DA 4?
Sorry but the chances are really bad.
Edit: I believe we get 3 established characters like in DA 2 (Anders, Isabela, Merrill) and DAI (Cassandra, Cole, Varric) For DA 4 that would be likely the obvious ones. Calpernia, Maevaris Tilani and Lace Harding
Rather Dorian. He's (almost) sure.
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Post by vertigomez on May 18, 2018 16:53:05 GMT
Nah, I'm hoping Dorian will fill a Leliana/Cullen type role as an important NPC.
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Post by Catilina on May 18, 2018 17:02:01 GMT
Nah, I'm hoping Dorian will fill a Leliana/Cullen type role as an important NPC. Oh, I see, yes, I think he will back as an important NPC.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on May 18, 2018 17:09:53 GMT
Rather Dorian. He's (almost) sure. This is the same argument. Bioware don´t want to use former Romances as Companions. But don´t worry Dorian is a major NPC with presumably a lot more screentime than anyone else who is returning. Even Solas. He is the Leader of the Lucerni fraction and of course one of your allies. Bioware will write him out like Leliana so he cannot accompany the Hero. But Maevaris can.
And Lace Harding is the Companion who represents the Inquisition or the Inquisitior. Why not Dorian? Well in Inquisition you don´t have to recruit him or punch him out the Inquisition.
Therefore he is not the best candidate for the job if Bioware don´t want to retcon him. But Harding is. She is no romance. Bioware confirmed its was just flirting. And is always in the Inquisition and cannot die.
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Post by Sumerian Physics on May 18, 2018 17:13:08 GMT
Morrigan will be a companion in this game. I don't know how bold of a call that is but I'm saying it's 90% assured and I'm calling it now. Seriously? I even think that Morrigan won´t get a cameo. But as companion? Bioware don´t like to bring back Companions who were Romances in past games. I guess you want her also as a romance in DA 4?
Sorry but the chances are really bad.
Edit: I believe we get 3 established characters like in DA 2 (Anders, Isabela, Merrill) and DAI (Cassandra, Cole, Varric) For DA 4 that would be likely the obvious ones. Calpernia, Maevaris Tilani and Lace Harding
I don't care about Morrigan, I'm just calling it like I see it
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Post by gangrelbeckett on May 18, 2018 17:23:50 GMT
I don't care about Morrigan, I'm just calling it like I see it And what is your counter-argument for mine that Bioware don´t want to use former Romances as companions?
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Post by Sumerian Physics on May 18, 2018 18:07:12 GMT
I don't care about Morrigan, I'm just calling it like I see it And what is your counter-argument for mine that Bioware don´t want to use former Romances as companions?
That BioWare is in love with Morrigan and so is a lot of the fanbase. She is the manic pixie witch of the wilds that they'll always go back and her role in Inquisition set her up very nicely for a return to action. They haven't used any romances as companions in a Dragon Age game - yet. That's not true for the studio in general.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on May 18, 2018 18:22:03 GMT
And what is your counter-argument for mine that Bioware don´t want to use former Romances as companions?
That BioWare is in love with Morrigan and so is a lot of the fanbase. She is the manic pixie witch of the wilds that they'll always go back and her role in Inquisition set her up very nicely for a return to action. They haven't used any romances as companions in a Dragon Age game - yet. That's not true for the studio in general. First if there is any character who is Bioware in Love its Leliana. Own DLC and countless appearances in Games/DLCs or Novels. And still she didn´t return as companion in Inquisition.
Your another argument is irrelevant. I know that in the Mass Effect Trilogy former romances made a return. Do you know why? Simple you play the same Hero Shepard through all 3 games. In DA 4 we play a new Hero or maybe the Inquisitor. But not the Hero of Ferelden.
Edit: Found a old PCGamer Interview with Mark Darrah. I don´t think that he has chance his view that much.
" PC Gamer: Fair enough. What is your criteria for determining which characters do come back? Actually, not simply from the dead, but I mean from game to game. Why would Varric make the cut and not somebody else?
Mark Darrah: That's a good question. Some of it's based on just what the writers are excited about writing. But also, we look for a certain amount of balance between the character. There's a bunch of things that we're trying to do for balance. You want a certain degree of balance between the classes. You want a certain amount of balance between the genders and then a certain amount of balance between the romance options.
If you've had a character in a previous game that was a romance option typically we won't bring them back because they carry a lot of extra baggage with them. You're not going to have a romance option come back and certainly not have them be a romance option again because there's a lot of baggage that comes with that.
The player might get angry as well. “But they're in love with my previous character forever and ever and ever. How dare you?” I think there's validity to that. You can start to cross off a few characters because of that. We often don't bring back characters, at least not as followers, if they were previously romance options. You might see them. Alistair comes back because we can do cameos and have them have an influence on the story.
But additionally, some characters, Varric's a very good character because one of Varric's primary motivations is he's the guy that's got your back. He's your friend. He's a very good character to have because it's good to have someone in your camp no matter what. That makes him a very attractive character. It makes him an interesting character to have because he offers a nice counterpoint to a lot of other kinds of characters.
The other thing that causes us to bring someone back is someone that we're just simply not done with. That the arc is incomplete. Isabella between Origins and Dragon Age 2 is a good example of that. We introduced her, but there's just a lot more to be done with that. That's actually usually how we choose. Often characters move. We don't reuse followers very often. Obviously, we are reusing Varric. We typically promote secondary characters between games.
PC Gamer: Right, so someone graduates from being a quest-giving NPC to being a companion.
Mark Darrah: Yes. "
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Post by duskwanderer on May 19, 2018 23:09:28 GMT
No, I'm not speaking about Dorian. He never encourages positive growth in others, he's too self-focused and whiny. It's totally wrong. Yes, he has his own issues, but he wants to back to Tevinter for Tevinter, not for (just) himself. He loves Tevinter, despite he sees the problems, and wants to change, because of it. He's exactly that Magister, whom you described, only do you don't see. Except no, all he does is whine about it. We are TOLD that he somehow, likes Tevinter. But all he does is complain about it. There's this thing in writing. It's called "Show, don't tell." When something is just told to us, particularly when we are shown other things, it's an example of, at best, bad writing. He loves it so much that he wants to destroy it. He doesn't want to keep a single thing about it. He never talks a thing positive about the country. I get that you're a Dorian fanboy who ignores his flaws, maybe for some identity politics BS. But he's not a good character, nor a good example of what I'd like to see.
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Post by Catilina on May 19, 2018 23:23:22 GMT
It's totally wrong. Yes, he has his own issues, but he wants to back to Tevinter for Tevinter, not for (just) himself. He loves Tevinter, despite he sees the problems, and wants to change, because of it. He's exactly that Magister, whom you described, only do you don't see. Except no, all he does is whine about it. We are TOLD that he somehow, likes Tevinter. But all he does is complain about it. There's this thing in writing. It's called "Show, don't tell." When something is just told to us, particularly when we are shown other things, it's an example of, at best, bad writing. He loves it so much that he wants to destroy it. He doesn't want to keep a single thing about it. He never talks a thing positive about the country. I get that you're a Dorian fanboy who ignores his flaws, maybe for some identity politics BS. But he's not a good character, nor a good example of what I'd like to see. No. I'm far from a "Dorian fanboy" – only I see, that he doesn't want to destroy Tevinter. How do you think that stupid bullshit? Who says the truth about his homeland doesn't mean he doesn't like it, in fact, probably like better, than someone, who don't see any wrong/unpleasant thing about his/her homeland. I have some problems with Dorian's character, but not about his patriotism. And in fact, he says MANY positive things about his country, he always defends Tevinter.
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Post by duskwanderer on May 19, 2018 23:49:15 GMT
Except no, all he does is whine about it. We are TOLD that he somehow, likes Tevinter. But all he does is complain about it. There's this thing in writing. It's called "Show, don't tell." When something is just told to us, particularly when we are shown other things, it's an example of, at best, bad writing. He loves it so much that he wants to destroy it. He doesn't want to keep a single thing about it. He never talks a thing positive about the country. I get that you're a Dorian fanboy who ignores his flaws, maybe for some identity politics BS. But he's not a good character, nor a good example of what I'd like to see. No. I'm far from a "Dorian fanboy" – only I see, that he doesn't want to destroy Tevinter. How do you think that stupid bullshit? Who says the truth about his homeland doesn't mean he doesn't like it, in fact, probably like better, than someone, who don't see any wrong/unpleasant thing about his/her homeland. I have some problems with Dorian's character, but not about his patriotism. And in fact, he says MANY positive things about his country, he always defends Tevinter. Except that he doesn't. He never talks positively about it. Granted, the Venatori give us no reason to like them, but in all the scenes we see, he never says anything positively about it. He mopes to Solas about the destruction of the elves (and honestly, that was one of Solas's best lines, even if I don't like him), he talks about the decadence, he talks about how anyone who tries anything gets maleficar-ed. He doesn't say a single thing. Again, it's show, don't tell. Unless the goal was to show Dorian as a complete git, all I got is that he hates the people in Tevinter and makes the barest sort of pretense about it. He only relents when pushed on that fact, and he STILL makes no effort to defend the country. He just says "If I thought it was lost, I'd go." But he did go. He wasn't in Ferelden on behest of Tevinter, he was there to look into Alexis and Felix. It's true that Alexis warranted investigation, but that doesn't translate into him being positive about the country. I don't know where on Earth you get your ideas. I get mine from the game.
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Post by Catilina on May 20, 2018 0:03:38 GMT
No. I'm far from a "Dorian fanboy" – only I see, that he doesn't want to destroy Tevinter. How do you think that stupid bullshit? Who says the truth about his homeland doesn't mean he doesn't like it, in fact, probably like better, than someone, who don't see any wrong/unpleasant thing about his/her homeland. I have some problems with Dorian's character, but not about his patriotism. And in fact, he says MANY positive things about his country, he always defends Tevinter. Except that he doesn't. He never talks positively about it. Granted, the Venatori give us no reason to like them, but in all the scenes we see, he never says anything positively about it. He mopes to Solas about the destruction of the elves (and honestly, that was one of Solas's best lines, even if I don't like him), he talks about the decadence, he talks about how anyone who tries anything gets maleficar-ed. He doesn't say a single thing. Again, it's show, don't tell. Unless the goal was to show Dorian as a complete git, all I got is that he hates the people in Tevinter and makes the barest sort of pretense about it. He only relents when pushed on that fact, and he STILL makes no effort to defend the country. He just says "If I thought it was lost, I'd go." But he did go. He wasn't in Ferelden on behest of Tevinter, he was there to look into Alexis and Felix. It's true that Alexis warranted investigation, but that doesn't translate into him being positive about the country. I don't know where on Earth you get your ideas. I get mine from the game. He never told any shit about Tevinter, nor the Tevinter people. Yes, he left with his own reasons, you didn't see anyone who ran away from his problems? But he wants to back to find a way to make his homeland a better place. He proud of his homeland, Tevinter's history. For example, he's very angry, that he can't find one positive/true book about Tevinter, he calls the books in the library: propaganda. But he even sees the problems too. He speaks about it. This is not a problem – this is good. Why would he lie? If he lies about his homeland, means he loves better? Again: bullshit.
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