Returning and new characters for Dragon Age 4

Stop fanboying. Dorian says nothing positive. In fact, in the quotation you say, the terms he uses are so vague as to be a pretense. That's the sort of thing a crazy who hates the country says when challenged, because they don't have the courage to say they hate it. Why can't he be bothered to say anything positive? Is there nothing at all? 

At best, you're describing a history book. But that's actually one of the grand themes of this game. The past is gone. Dorian, Corypheus, Fen'Harel. Those are people who hate the world so much they look to bring the past back wholesale. The difference is that while Corypheus stole power and Fen'Harel had his plots, Dorian is nothing more than a whiny prat. 

Stop idolizing a character because you fanboy about him. 

Again, please stop making excuses for your fanboyism. I can't help you if you're so blind you'll ignore the characters dialogue and actions just because you like him for some reason. 

You can't "want to make something better" and "think something is good" without a third part: Endorsing the things that are good. Dorian doesn't do that. 

Also, serious question: Is English not your first language? I had to read this a number of times and I STILL can barely understand it. 

I'm not a fan of Dorian, but I agree with those saying that he cares for his homeland. If he didn't care, he would just leave it be rather than wanting to help make it better. Saying that wanting to make a nation better means the person hates the nation is absurd. There are people all across history who loved their homeland but saw it had faults and tried to correct said faults. Plus he defends against notions of Tevinter in dialogue both with the Inquisitor, for example the slavery discussion, and some of the companions, for example mage freedom or Corypheus being affiliated with Tevinter.

duskwanderer I have no problem whatsoever calling myself a Dorian fan, so your repeated use of the phrase means absolutely nothing. However much I like the character, it does not preclude me from also seeing his flaws. You've continually proven that you cannot have an adult conversation with anyone abut this issue. At this point, I think it's best that people no longer engage.

Also, I can confirm that Catilina is not a Dorian "fanboy." The fact you think he is one because he objectively recognizes Dorian's love of country is laughable. Anders on the other hand...


Given the title of this thread, on the subject I'll say that Dorian is 99% (you never know, right?) likely to appear in DA4. What form that will take is anybody's guess, whether he will be a follower again (DA4's Varric; this seems unlikely) or have advisory position (my guess) to our recruited PC and the primary Tevinter resource for the Shadow Inquisition.

People that dislike him had best make peace with that fact. You've got some years.

Proof? What "proof" has been provided? I've heard, at best, forced interpretations, opinions presented as fact, and overt fangirling. I'll listen to evidence if it exists, but I need something better than the forced opinions of fans. 

Only your opinion is forced opinion. Our "opinion" is not even really an opinion, it's fact. This two are different.

Probably you'll get another type "patriot", who doesn't want any change – if you think, a patriot's only who don't want to change anything (this isn't right, but probably this kind patriot exist in Tevinter).
But patriot as well, who wants to change a corrupt system. Probably more patriot, than a person who insists to the corruption. 

And let you clearer for me, please, your problem is, that Dorian hates Tevinter, or your problem is, that Dorian's angry? (Sometimes he is, but this is a problem? The passion is a problem?)
The fact, he's passionate, doesn't exclude, he loves his homeland and wants to clean that from the corruption.

Or you think, a patriot is who loves the corruption?

How "SJWs" come here?

I think you are illiterate, then. In fact, before your drivel started, I had said I wanted someone who acknowledged the good and bad of Tevinter. Acknowledge the good, work against the bad. You quoted it, you should know. Have you forgotten, or do you merely not read? 

Passion is no excuse for anything, dear. 

Dorian hates Tevinter because all he does is cry and mope about how bad it is. He cries endlessly about how "the sparking reputation of Tevinter is ruined because of the Venatori" and other such drivel. In fact, I get more of a positive response from Fenyriel about Tevinter in DA2, since they are the only ones who can help him control his Dreamer powers. There. Right there, there's something he can acknowledge: It knows much of magic and can help some serious magical problems. 

If you want an example of someone I consider a "patriotic" Tevinter, Gereon Alexius is a great one. Here is a man who acknowledges the greatness of his country, and sees problems at the same time. Listen to him speak if you place him in the dungeon. Look at him lament that Tevinter is the only one holding the Qunari in check. There's a positive aspect no one seems to acknowledge. It's consistent in his character throughout. 

It matters not whether or not SJW's come here. What matters is SJW's at BioWARE. If you want an example of how well that worked, look at ME; A. 

Yes... seems you never said.

Now, before this devolves into even more of a farce, let me describe the new characters I'd like to see in DA:4. This assumes it will take place in Tevinter and the basic plot involves a large invasion of Qunari. These are, of course, very basic.

-Warriors-

Dalish Hunter - This is the elf I spoke of earlier: I pick warrior because, as far as I remember, the only Dalish NPC's we've had are Keepers/Firsts, barring a PC, of course. I would like to see how the Dalish do fighters. Personality wise, I want to see someone who thinks separation is stupid because it has failed already. Still elf-supremacist, but milder about it.

Dwarven Traditionalist - I'd like to see a proud Dwarven soldier from a Warrior Caste family who loves the Stone and everything dwarven. Pities the dwarves on the surface, but acknowledges their sacrifice for helping the empire. Believes in welcoming humans and elves under the Stone as well, thinking that they would believe in the Stone if only they lived underground and saw her wonders. Naturally, he gets this challenged over the game, getting exiled. Berserker class would work with it, but needs tweaking, it's a little bare-bones as it is.

Imperial Templar - The Imperium doesn't have lyrium templars, as we learned. So what do they have? I picture some being reavers, we can use one of those. Give this person strategic, warrior-style planning, a cunning tactician who can give us intricate battles.

-Mage-

Imperial Father - This I'd like to see as the Blood Mage and proud of his Tevinter traditions. Make his backstory rich and full of the intrigue that comes with well-bred Tevinter families. Have him respond to criticisms of his country with logic and fairmindedness. Also show us someone proud of his magic, after all, magic is performed openly during Tevinter worship. Let's also give him perspective on the Qunari (maybe as someone who tended to the spiritual needs of the soldiers, obviously, before he became a magister) and allow that perspective to show us his criticism of Qunari philosophy.

Rivani Seer - Rivain always was a land of spirits and mystery. Show us how that plays out. Some of the seers become abominations. Don't start as an abomination, but possibly make that an option with its own benefits and drawbacks. Does Tevinter also see these seers as "foreign" and strange? I'd make her someone shy, probably ill-possessed to deal with people. Maybe make her almost a bit more druidic, liking plants and animals.

Tal-Vashoth Mage - From what we here, Qunari come into magic in late childhood. But they choose their paths at twelve. What would happen if someone was training her whole life to be something, only to have it snatched away? Would it shatter their faith in the Qun? This character I envision as going to be a Tamassran who worked with children. When this was gone, she fled. She abandoned the Tal-Vashoth later when they were only interested in war. But she applied her skill and focus to her magic and learned to control it. I imagine her as the motherly type, perhaps she runs an orphange or something. She loves kids and will fight to protect them.

-Thieves-

Adventurer - I envisioned this one originally as a recurring character: Charade Amell. She didn't appear enough before, but I figured her backstory would be a great way to have her personal quests involve the Hawke family, considering it was one of the things even DA2 detractors liked. Someone who is bright, upbeat and sunny. Perhaps they explore old ruins in times of peace to find treasure to make a living. But have no qualms about a little larceny during the lean times.

Duelist - I imagined this one as one of Josephine's brothers. Full of vim and passion, as Antivans are supposed to be. Perhaps he travels to make his fortune, stepping out of his elder sister's shadow. Has a love of family and good people.

Bard - I pictured this character are more of a Leliana during her Prequel, or the Bard in the card game. Someone all about lying and spectacle, who loves being an agent. Chaos itself is but a feather in his hat, and he'll do the biddings of his patrons in their own war. Let it conceal some deep dark past. Dagger wielder and showcase some of the more martial aspects of the training. He can also be from Orlais to tie into the previous, more southern games.


I imagined the PC as an Antivan Crow, since the Crows employ people of all aspects. There would be some unique, assassin style perks for the PC to get.

What would he care if they are crazy cultists? 

Do you not know the terms? ME: A is "Mass Effect: Andromeda." SJW is "social justice warrior" 

I'm the idiot, and you don't know those basic terms? Sure, Princess. Whatever you say.