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Post by duskwanderer on May 21, 2018 1:47:04 GMT
What would he care if they are crazy cultists? Do you not know the terms? ME: A is "Mass Effect: Andromeda." SJW is "social justice warrior" I'm the idiot, and you don't know those basic terms? Sure, Princess. Whatever you say. Yes. I know, what SJW means. I read so many times in the forums. And even I know, what's the hyperbole. And I recognize that Only THIS hyperbole didn't work... By the way, you masturbate, when you call me 'girl, princess'? No offense, enjoy yourself... just I'm curious. Are you sure you know what hyperbole means? Because given your poor grasp of English, I'm quite convinced you don't. [redacted]
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Post by Sifr on May 21, 2018 1:48:09 GMT
Considering the Bioware game with the most "SJW" content is DAI and DAI is Bioware's best-selling game to date, I'd say it is working very well. Whatever problems MEA may have, "SJWs" are not the reason why. I have to agree, at no point in MEA did anything strike me as "SJW" content.
Actually, nothing strikes me as SJW content... it's just content.
When are we going to realise that the label of "SJW" doesn't mean anything. It's merely a buzzword thrown around by people who want an excuse to yell at clouds or attack windmills because they think they're giants. Can people not calm down and enjoy things, without getting their knickers in a twist over non-existent "agendas" they think are trying to brainwash them?
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Post by duskwanderer on May 21, 2018 1:51:47 GMT
It matters not whether or not SJW's come here. What matters is SJW's at BioWARE. If you want an example of how well that worked, look at ME; A. Considering the Bioware game with the most "SJW" content is DAI and DAI is Bioware's best-selling game to date, I'd say it is working very well. Whatever problems MEA may have, "SJWs" are not the reason why. You're comparing raw data. There are more people than there were, say, 20 years ago when BGII came out. And ME:A had a lot more SJW content than DAI. |
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Post by duskwanderer on May 21, 2018 1:55:43 GMT
Considering the Bioware game with the most "SJW" content is DAI and DAI is Bioware's best-selling game to date, I'd say it is working very well. Whatever problems MEA may have, "SJWs" are not the reason why. I have to agree, at no point in MEA did anything strike me as "SJW" content.
Actually, nothing strikes me as SJW content... it's just content.
When are we going to realise that the label of "SJW" doesn't mean anything. It's merely a buzzword thrown around by people who want an excuse to yell at clouds or attack windmills because they think they're giants. Can people not calm down and enjoy things, without getting their knickers in a twist over non-existent "agendas" they think are trying to brainwash them?
I'm confused. Are you making excuses for the content? Or do you merely not like the term? Because you have to admit the characters are shoehorned. Now, surely, the problems with ME:A do not solely revolve around SJW stuff. But that is a huge part of it. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 21, 2018 2:03:30 GMT
Considering the Bioware game with the most "SJW" content is DAI and DAI is Bioware's best-selling game to date, I'd say it is working very well. Whatever problems MEA may have, "SJWs" are not the reason why. You're comparing raw data. There are more people than there were, say, 20 years ago when BGII came out. And ME:A had a lot more SJW content than DAI. Now who is presenting forced interpretations, opinions presented as fact instead of proof? Please share. This will be good. |
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Post by duskwanderer on May 21, 2018 2:05:32 GMT
You're comparing raw data. There are more people than there were, say, 20 years ago when BGII came out. And ME:A had a lot more SJW content than DAI. Now who is presenting forced interpretations, opinions presented as fact instead of proof? Please share. This will be good. You want me to prove proof that there were more people in existence now than there were 20 years ago? Or are you asking which game had more SJW content? Well, let's start with the fact that they added a whole new romance just to kowtow to gay men. And the absolute BS that was that guy who thought he was a girl on Eos. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 21, 2018 2:06:48 GMT
Considering the Bioware game with the most "SJW" content is DAI and DAI is Bioware's best-selling game to date, I'd say it is working very well. Whatever problems MEA may have, "SJWs" are not the reason why. I have to agree, at no point in MEA did anything strike me as "SJW" content.
Actually, nothing strikes me as SJW content... it's just content.
When are we going to realise that the label of "SJW" doesn't mean anything. It's merely a buzzword thrown around by people who want an excuse to yell at clouds or attack windmills because they think they're giants. Can people not calm down and enjoy things, without getting their knickers in a twist over non-existent "agendas" they think are trying to brainwash them?
Yep. I mean among the main cast alone there is an asexual male(Cole), a gay male(Dorian), a pansexual male(The Iron Bull), a lesbian(Sera), a bisexual woman(Leliana), and a woman whom according to the writer can be seen as asexual, bisexual, or demisexual(Josephine). Then there are the other NPCs like Krem who is trans, Celene and Briala whom are lesbians, women running all but one of the main groups we can get, etc. Agreed it is just content. Well, SJW still has some meaning. That meaning being anyone who uses it like above is not to be taken seriously. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 21, 2018 2:08:51 GMT
Now who is presenting forced interpretations, opinions presented as fact instead of proof? Please share. This will be good. You want me to prove proof that there were more people in existence now than there were 20 years ago? Or are you asking which game had more SJW content? Well, let's start with the fact that they added a whole new romance just to kowtow to gay men. And the absolute BS that was that guy who thought he was a girl on Eos. I want you to prove why that should have any bearing on sales numbers. After all BGII has been available for purchase for all of those 20 years so it coming out that long ago should have no impact on which is better received. Ah, I think I see the issue now. You don't like Dorian because he is gay. That seems to be the case considering your bigoted statement. You are just using your argument of him not being a patriot as a smokescreen. |
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Post by Sifr on May 21, 2018 2:35:35 GMT
I have to agree, at no point in MEA did anything strike me as "SJW" content.
Actually, nothing strikes me as SJW content... it's just content.
When are we going to realise that the label of "SJW" doesn't mean anything. It's merely a buzzword thrown around by people who want an excuse to yell at clouds or attack windmills because they think they're giants. Can people not calm down and enjoy things, without getting their knickers in a twist over non-existent "agendas" they think are trying to brainwash them?
I'm confused. Are you making excuses for the content? Or do you merely not like the term? Because you have to admit the characters are shoehorned. Now, surely, the problems with ME:A do not solely revolve around SJW stuff. But that is a huge part of it. I'm say that the content was fine and the term "SJW" is overused by people, who not only can't seem to agree on what it actually qualifies as (similar to a "hipster"), but seem to want to use it to complain about anything that makes them even mildly uncomfortable.
No, what characters felt shoehorned? All of them? Some of them?
And MEA did have problems (all games do), but there's nothing "SJW" about it whatsoever, let alone responsible for making or breaking the game? The 5-year development hell and rushed production (only 18 months actual work) are what made the game unpolished, the devs being in a constant revolving door at the Montreal studio, as well as no-one from EA or Bioware really having any faith in the game. That's what doomed the project, not any "SJW stuff".
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Post by smilesja on May 21, 2018 2:55:46 GMT
Considering the Bioware game with the most "SJW" content is DAI and DAI is Bioware's best-selling game to date, I'd say it is working very well. Whatever problems MEA may have, "SJWs" are not the reason why. You're comparing raw data. There are more people than there were, say, 20 years ago when BGII came out. And ME:A had a lot more SJW content than DAI. What? |
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Post by Sifr on May 21, 2018 3:18:31 GMT
Well, SJW still has some meaning. That meaning being anyone who uses it like above is not to be taken seriously. Yeah, any discussion about "SJW's" should be treated like Godwin's Law. |
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 21, 2018 4:44:42 GMT
I am fascinated that it's possible to misunderstand Dorian so badly.
I mean, quite apart from anything else, disparaging things he actually loves deeply is a thing he does all the damn time. Or do you actually think he means it when he tells a romanced Inquisitor 'you're terribly boring and I hate you'? Or when he's together with Bull and complains that his giant qunari boyfriend is a sap?
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Post by SofaJockey on May 21, 2018 8:25:11 GMT
Let's not insult other posters personally in this thread, please. Attack the point, not the poster.  But yes, the notion that Mass Effect Andromeda was pursuing an aggressive so-called 'SJW' agenda is plainly false given the initial poor attention to M/M romances. For that matter, there was nothing wrong with the romances in Dragon Age Inquisition either. Yes, there were more straight female romances for 'reasons' (for a change). I think I got this right:
Dragon Age Inquisition Straight male: [2] Cassandra and Josie Straight female: [2] Blackwall and Iron Bull + 2 race restricted (Cullen and Solas) Same-sex male” [2] Dorian and Iron Bull Same-sex female: [2] Sera and Josie Mass Effect Andromeda Straight male: [3] Cora, Vetra and Peebee Straight female: [2] Liam and Jaal Same-sex male” [2] Gil and Jaal* (added later) Same-sex female: [3] Suvi, Vetra and Peebee Restricted (shorter) romances with: Reyes, Keri and Avela
Whining about 'SJW' in BioWare games is in many cases shorthand for being a bigoted arsehole. As for Dorian, I think he's awesome and is 99% a given to appear (in some capacity) in Dragon Age 4, but we'll see. |
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Post by Catilina on May 21, 2018 8:28:04 GMT
Now who is presenting forced interpretations, opinions presented as fact instead of proof? Please share. This will be good. You want me to prove proof that there were more people in existence now than there were 20 years ago? Or are you asking which game had more SJW content? Well, let's start with the fact that they added a whole new romance just to kowtow to gay men. And the absolute BS that was that guy who thought he was a girl on Eos. And these two things mean to you that the game was full of "SJW content"...
Not mentioned, "SJW content" doesn't mean anything, just a bullshit, used by your-kind idiots, who full of hatred and ignorance. I see, your whole "opinion" about Dorian based only on your homophobia. And you call people "girl" or "princess" if you think they're stupid, so, you have some problems with women as well. I suppose. I'm not surprised. |
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Post by rras1994 on May 21, 2018 9:10:29 GMT
Let's not insult other posters personally in this thread, please. Attack the point, not the poster. But yes, the notion that Mass Effect Andromeda was pursuing an aggressive so-called 'SJW' agenda is plainly false given the initial poor attention to M/M romances. For that matter, there was nothing wrong with the romances in Dragon Age Inquisition either. Yes, there were more straight female romances for 'reasons' (for a change). I think I got this right:
Dragon Age Inquisition Straight male: [2] Cassandra and Josie Straight female: [2] Blackwall and Iron Bull + 2 race restricted (Cullen and Solas) Same-sex male” [2] Dorian and Iron Bull Same-sex female: [2] Sera and Josie Mass Effect Andromeda *fixed* Straight male: [3] Cora, Vetra and Peebee Straight female: [2] Liam and Jaal Same-sex male” [2] Gil and Jaal* (added later) Same-sex female: [3] Suvi, Vetra and Peebee Restricted (shorter) romances with: Reyes, Keri and Avela
Whining about 'SJW' in BioWare games is in many cases shorthand for being a bigoted arsehole. As for Dorian, I think he's awesome and is 99% a given to appear (in some capacity) in Dragon Age 4, but we'll see. Vetra should be same-sex female, not straight female. |
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Post by SofaJockey on May 21, 2018 9:27:50 GMT
Vetra should be same-sex female, not straight female. Quite right. Fixed. |
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Post by vertigomez on May 21, 2018 12:18:11 GMT
I am fascinated that it's possible to misunderstand Dorian so badly. I mean, quite apart from anything else, disparaging things he actually loves deeply is a thing he does all the damn time. Or do you actually think he means it when he tells a romanced Inquisitor 'you're terribly boring and I hate you'? Or when he's together with Bull and complains that his giant qunari boyfriend is a sap? There's no room for that kind of nuance in this thread.  Everything Dorian says is always 10000% literal because..... uh, reasons..?  |
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Post by duckley on May 21, 2018 15:52:58 GMT
I would love to see Harding and Barris might be fun. Dorian would be welcome again and of course we must have Solas. I would love to have Harding as a companion.
I would also like brief cameos or some meaningful reference to the characte3rs that have been common to all three games - Alistair, Cullen, Leliana, and Flemeth. Am I missing anyone? I know this is likely not a popular preference but it is kind of like a running nod to the history of the DA story so far.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on May 21, 2018 17:12:46 GMT
I would love to see Harding and Barris might be fun.
Barris could be dead. He can die if take you too much time or you if picked the Mages. I believe Canon which is the default setting is the Mages. Also why would he be in Tevinter?
You are right about this. Mentioning them is ok but visual appearances like Cameo please no.
They have plenty enough Screentime especially Leliana. DA 4 should focus more who haven´t got this appreciation. If Bioware can bring all back i wouldn´t care but this is a very utopistic view. Therefore more power to Shale than Leliana.
But Leliana would be mention by Harding/Charter or the Black Devine if Leliana is Victoria.
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Post by Joey on May 21, 2018 21:32:29 GMT
Well, I'm kinda expecting Cullen. I know I shouldn't because he's done his part and he could be dead (lyrium addiction), but his voice actor, Greg Ellis teased DA4 and Cullen recently on his twitter.
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Post by themikefest on May 21, 2018 23:25:09 GMT
I like to have Loghain make an appearance. He survived in one of my playthroughs. excellent   |
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Post by duskwanderer on May 22, 2018 0:04:52 GMT
I like to have Loghain make an appearance. He survived in one of my playthroughs. excellent But what would he do? |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 22, 2018 0:06:06 GMT
I like to have Loghain make an appearance. He survived in one of my playthroughs. excellent But what would he do? Maybe be involved in the Weisshaupt plot line is DA4 does that. |
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Post by phoray on May 22, 2018 0:47:10 GMT
as well as no-one from EA or Bioware really having any faith in the game. First I heard. Did they not have faith all along, or did they just see the writing on the wall (or lack of it) when the 18 month crunch time hit? |
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Post by Sifr on May 22, 2018 4:26:38 GMT
Well, I'm kinda expecting Cullen. I know I shouldn't because he's done his part and he could be dead (lyrium addiction), but his voice actor, Greg Ellis teased DA4 and Cullen recently on his twitter. As much as I love Cullen, I don't know how they'd put him in DA4.
But it'd be cool if they brought Greg Ellis (Jonny Rees) back to voice other characters, similar to Origins and Awakening?
Maybe be involved in the Weisshaupt plot line is DA4 does that. I was going to suggest that any of the unchosen Warden-allies could be at Weisshaupt along with the Fade Survivor, but that would be a nightmare for them to work out and record, based on all the potential outcomes for those characters and who'd take priority as the Weisshaupt Warden?
It's a shame, because the idea is fun on paper and you could get a very tense reunion between Alistair and Loghain if both are alive and Wardens. But then you'd have to also deal with the worldstates where Loghain died in Origins, Alistair became King and Stroud was left in the Fade, that would result in Hawke being at Weisshaupt, all billy-no-mates. First I heard. Did they not have faith all along, or did they just see the writing on the wall (or lack of it) when the 18 month crunch time hit? I don't have any insider information, but you can glean that it doesn't appear that Bioware/EA had much faith in MEA from a few things.
It took them 5 years to develop the game, but it seems that it was only worked on for about a year and a half, which suggests it was a bit of nightmare production to get off the ground. It also doesn't seem that people were happy working at the Montreal Studios either, because we saw multiple devs leave the project either mid-way through production or immediately after turning in their assigned work. That EA shut down the studios not long after, doesn't seem like it was considered a big loss for them.
ME3 had an equally bad reception, but still was given various single-player and multiplayer DLC content over the following months. In comparison, MEA wasn't given any further support beyond patches and bug-fixes. The community was left in the dark until the "Hiatus" was announced which most recognised as code for "Cancelled".
That no-one at EA/Bioware seemed eager to salvage the project (based on their silence) or try to improve upon the game with expansions that would satisfy the fans (Extended Cut and Citadel), it seems that they were very quick to decide to put MEA to rest. Within two months of launch, it was put on "hiatus" and within five months of launch, future content was outright cancelled. So it doesn't look like they had much faith in the project, to abandon ship so soon in the dev cycle.
And while it's only speculation, the timing of the BSN shutdown about 6 months before release makes me wonder if they anticipated a shitstorm coming their way, so decided to quell any dissent by nixing the forums completely. It's been rumoured that some of the higher-ups at EA appear to have had some beef with the Bioware forums (how dare their customers have opinions about their shoddy business practices) and in the latter years, the Bioware devs had stopped coming by entirely and some made scathing comments about the place.
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