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Post by pinkjellybeans on Oct 7, 2017 20:06:53 GMT
Well, I personally like both franchises. Surprisingly, I can like them or what they are, instead of demanding that either of those emulate another. No one is asking for DA4 to be the spitting image of TW3. I also happen to like both franchises, I can like games but still point out their flaws. It so happens TW3 did sidequests really well and DAI did not. Either you like the context of those sidequests or not, you can't deny this. The fetch quests are, after all, DAI number one complaint. All I'm asking for is sidequests to have an actual beginning, middle and end. Beginnings that are more than reading a letter, middles that are more than travelling from point A to point Z and ends that are more than picking up an object/killing something. This thread is about the dark themes Bioware may or may not be running away from, and it so happens TW3 has plenty of those themes. It's not like there are a lot of other dark fantasy RPGs out there. I like to give examples to back up my opinions, which is what I did. I explained why I liked a very dark sidequest in TW3 (I didn't like it just because it was dark) and why those type of quests are my favorite. I'm asking for Bioware to go back to their darker roots because I feel like I get more satisfying stories that way. It has been the case with past DA games as well. While I'm a DA fan, I did not enjoy DAI as much as I did TW3, so I can't like DAI for what it is because I didn't enjoy many things about it, hence why I'm writing these posts.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 7, 2017 20:29:51 GMT
If I understand well, some people fear that we will not have brothel in DA 4, and as there will be no brothel, it's an indication that DA 4 will be a bad game !!! But do we know what will be in DA 4 ? IIRC 2 years ago when MEA was still not confirmed, there were many debates about whose companions should be included in this future ME game, about where and when in time should this game take place, and many other things. All these suppositions were completely wrong. So DA 4 (and we even are not certain that it is DA 4) will not come before some looooong monthes (maybe years) ... so we will see when it comes if it includes brothels, and if that makes, or makes not, a good game. I do not recall anyone saying that it will be a bad game due to no brothels. What people are saying is that the lack of brothels is a primer that Bioware may still be in the, "exclude content that offends a certain group of people...." mentality. IF we are truely going to Tevinter which is almost the most darkest settings in Thedas, how will Bioware go about it?
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 7, 2017 21:07:33 GMT
Well, I personally like both franchises. Surprisingly, I can like them or what they are, instead of demanding that either of those emulate another. No one is asking for DA4 to be the spitting image of TW3. I also happen to like both franchises, I can like games but still point out their flaws. It so happens TW3 did sidequests really well and DAI did not. Right... except we're not talking about sidequests. And even if we did, there were differences pointed out that have effected development of both titles and how DA team has improved side-questing in its DLCs entirely on its own. So this isn't a matter of emulation. I have to admit, I keep scratching my head about this talking point about Witcher 3 being this dark RPG... when it simply isn't. Dark Souls is dark. Bloodborne is dark. TW3 simply has dark or gritty themes woven across it - while at the same time it has a scene where 3 Witchers get drunk and wear Yennefer's clothes, or she can catapult Geralt to the middle of the lake for being an unfaithful bastard. It's no different for DAI. There are differences how they approach them and each does it in its own way - and whether one does it in what some arbitrarily called darker way or not doesn't make other portrayal lesser or less mature OR less satisfying. I don't see how violently mutilating Dandelion's lover makes for a more 'satisfying story'. Especially that Priscilla's road to recovery got delegated to us being told that she got better, not even from herself. Even the whole arc of Dandelion finally settling with a woman he actually has deeper feelings for was pushed aside for the sake of "ooooh, look how gruesome it is!". I like many things in TW3. How they handled Priscilla isn't necessarily one of them. In fact most of what I enjoy in Witcher have little to do with 'darkness'. It's the internal politics, the witty dialogue, twists and turns of the plot, all the magical side of the world, the subversion of classical fairly tales and tropes and archetypes... you know - many things I like Dragon Age for. And I highly enjoy the fact that they offer a different spin on things and tell different stories. I also don't require Dragon Age 'return to its darker roots' - because I never saw it as swerving from being a story that has its share of darkness and bleakness. At best they toned down on grotesque a bit. In fact, I'd like to point out, that the last chapter ended on a very dark note: only 2 years after Inquisitor successfully saved the world from the brink the world falls apart again. They lose their hand and power that allowed them to become who they are, they're forced to scale down their organization and diminish their position in Thedas and are forced to plan a wild goose chase after a companion (and a potential friend or lover) who threatens to either destroy or change the world, and all of this happens in the background of unrest in the Imperium that is the only buffer between South (recovering from Cory AND the Blight from 10 years ago) and an invading force of Qunari that almost had a shot of destroying Southern elites by utilizing remnants of a fallen civilization.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 7, 2017 21:22:13 GMT
Well, I've played the games. Don't get me wrong they are good, they just aren't the masterpieces I see so many people claim they are in my opinion. As for preferring lighter over darker stories, depends on the story. There are plenty of stories that are dark that I love. The Witcher franchise just isn't one of them. That said, I don't see how only dark games are able to have engaging and gripping stories like your post seems to suggest. I did explain why, "There's so much engaging and interesting content that you can come up with when more obscure themes seem to be a big no no. Sure you can make decent quests without going into that territory but then are they really that memorable? Will they invoke all these different kinds of emotions on the players? When you have a boss at the end of the questline, will it really be that satisfying to kill them? I don't think so." My opinion though, take it as you will. I don't want this to sound rude, but this looks like a word salad to me. I have no idea what your point is.
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Post by melbella on Oct 7, 2017 21:22:15 GMT
I'm not sure I'd call the ending of Trespasser "dark." More like an infuriating lesson in how to be railroaded into incompetence.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 7, 2017 22:05:09 GMT
That’s debatable. I always found The Witcher’s sex scenes to be kind of corny. DAO and Andromeda’s sex scenes were a little as well, but not quite as bad. 😂😂😂😂 Really? Well name ONE sex scene that BioWare provided that is better than Witcher 3. Don't worry I'll wait.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 7, 2017 22:17:58 GMT
😂😂😂😂 Really? Well name ONE sex scene that BioWare provided that is better than Witcher 3. Don't worry I'll wait. Any sex scene that didn’t involve fucking on a shitty raft. Unless you find splinters or tipping over into the water sexy.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 7, 2017 22:30:41 GMT
Little late to clarify, but this thread is NOT about explicit nudity. The lack or presence there of does NOT determine maturity or the writers' decision (s) to avoid adult themes. I never wanted Bioware to give a porno. I would actually consider that a total waste of resources. cloud9 Uh. A Brothel. Which includes sex. And adults have sex. Which is a adults do all the time. Sooo.....
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Post by Zatche on Oct 7, 2017 22:42:09 GMT
I'm not sure I'd call the ending of Trespasser "dark." More like an infuriating lesson in how to be railroaded into incompetence. The lesson was less about incompetence and more about the inherent vulnerability to corruption and espionage of large powerful organizations.
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Post by melbella on Oct 7, 2017 22:46:22 GMT
Which we had no control over. Thus the railroading. If we were infiltrated because we made bad decisions or didn't do X but did Y instead, that would be fine. But no matter how effective we were as Inquisitor, as the Inquisition, in the end, we (and our help) were incompetent. We had no say about it at all.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 7, 2017 22:49:16 GMT
😂😂😂😂 Really? Well name ONE sex scene that BioWare provided that is better than Witcher 3. Don't worry I'll wait. Any sex scene that didn’t involve fucking on a shitty raft. Unless you find splinters sexy. Deflecting. So predictable. 😔
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 7, 2017 22:55:37 GMT
😂😂😂😂 Really? Well name ONE sex scene that BioWare provided that is better than Witcher 3. Don't worry I'll wait. What do you mean by better? There are a lot of things someone can judge a sex scene on so what are you looking for in this comparison?
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 7, 2017 23:11:06 GMT
Any sex scene that didn’t involve fucking on a shitty raft. Unless you find splinters sexy. Deflecting. So predictable. 😔 That’s not deflection, that’s a genuine criticism. That sex scene is dumb.
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Post by phoray on Oct 7, 2017 23:20:01 GMT
Little late to clarify, but this thread is NOT about explicit nudity. The lack or presence there of does NOT determine maturity or the writers' decision (s) to avoid adult themes. I never wanted Bioware to give a porno. I would actually consider that a total waste of resources. cloud9 Uh. A Brothel. Which includes sex. And adults have sex. Which is a adults do all the time. Sooo..... As I've said many times, in the OP and now, this thread is not about Existence of a Brothel CHECKMARK in DA4. It's about what a casual dismissal of their future presence in the Dragon Age Franchise could mean about what adult themes they're willing to portray going forward. Neither of the two previous brothels in Dragon Age showed Nudity. I didn't need them to. I don't need them to in the future. The Fade to Blacks have suited me fine. Mostly I feel like you're going Off Topic. And since I'm the one who started the topic- I can say that and it be literally true.
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Post by phoray on Oct 7, 2017 23:20:59 GMT
Which we had no control over. Thus the railroading. If we were infiltrated because we made bad decisions or didn't do X but did Y instead, that would be fine. But no matter how effective we were as Inquisitor, as the Inquisition, in the end, we (and our help) were incompetent. We had no say about it at all. I was also totally willing to tell the Other Nobles about the shit going on, but the Game doesn't let me.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 7, 2017 23:24:48 GMT
Deflecting. So predictable. 😔 That’s not deflection, that’s a genuine criticism. That sex scene is dumb. You didn't even answer my question and your response is deflection.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 7, 2017 23:28:31 GMT
Uh. A Brothel. Which includes sex. And adults have sex. Which is a adults do all the time. Sooo..... As I've said many times, in the OP and now, this thread is not about Existence of a Brothel CHECKMARK in DA4. It's about what a casual dismissal of their future presence in the Dragon Age Franchise could mean about what adult themes they're willing to portray going forward. Neither of the two previous brothels in Dragon Age showed Nudity. I didn't need them to. I don't need them to in the future. The Fade to Blacks have suited me fine. Mostly I feel like you're going Off Topic. And since I'm the one who started the topic- I can say that and it be literally true. Each to his own. But if they decide to put brothels in the game they need to do it right and not so boring.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 7, 2017 23:34:11 GMT
😂😂😂😂 Really? Well name ONE sex scene that BioWare provided that is better than Witcher 3. Don't worry I'll wait. What do you mean by better? There are a lot of things someone can judge a sex scene on so what are you looking for in this comparison? Use your imagination.
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Post by Zatche on Oct 7, 2017 23:34:34 GMT
😂😂😂😂 Really? Well name ONE sex scene that BioWare provided that is better than Witcher 3. Don't worry I'll wait. What do you mean by better? There are a lot of things someone can judge a sex scene on so what are you looking for in this comparison? And even if you can agree on the parameters, it's awfully subjective.
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Post by Zatche on Oct 7, 2017 23:36:38 GMT
What do you mean by better? There are a lot of things someone can judge a sex scene on so what are you looking for in this comparison? Use your imagination. What are the parameters? Most titillating? Most romantic? Most realistic? Best demonstrates the vulnerabilities or insecurities of the characters?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 7, 2017 23:37:20 GMT
What do you mean by better? There are a lot of things someone can judge a sex scene on so what are you looking for in this comparison? Use your imagination. Well, if the measure of a good sex scene is having the player use their imagination then CDPR loses easily.
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Post by Zatche on Oct 7, 2017 23:43:54 GMT
Which we had no control over. Thus the railroading. If we were infiltrated because we made bad decisions or didn't do X but did Y instead, that would be fine. But no matter how effective we were as Inquisitor, as the Inquisition, in the end, we (and our help) were incompetent. We had no say about it at all. I think makes sense that, even as the leader, not every little thing is within our control. Something going wrong doesn't necessarily indicate our characters' incompetence.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 7, 2017 23:44:51 GMT
Which we had no control over. Thus the railroading. If we were infiltrated because we made bad decisions or didn't do X but did Y instead, that would be fine. But no matter how effective we were as Inquisitor, as the Inquisition, in the end, we (and our help) were incompetent. We had no say about it at all. Was that a soluble problem? I thought the takeaway there was that the ease of infiltration was a consequence of the rotten society the Inquistion comes from. And of course, the limited amount of control the Inquisitor actually has over the Inquisition is one of the major themes of the game.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 7, 2017 23:47:49 GMT
What are the parameters? Most titillating? Most romantic? Most realistic? Best demonstrates the vulnerabilities or insecurities of the characters? Dude you thinking to much. Just give me anything.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 7, 2017 23:48:29 GMT
What do you mean by better? There are a lot of things someone can judge a sex scene on so what are you looking for in this comparison? Use your imagination. Wait a second..... you're asking us to use our imaginations to guess at what you mean? Can't you just say what you mean instead of asking us to guess?
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