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Post by Saboru on Oct 3, 2017 21:15:12 GMT
You know sometimes I think the Twitterati are a bunch of screaming loons, but then I see one of them offer this kind stress relief service for wind up merchants and I think, d'awww, what a sweetheart.
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Post by phoray on Oct 3, 2017 21:22:15 GMT
I'm not saying that the only way DA4 will be any good is if they have full on sex scenes like the Witcher. ( I've said before in this thread, that only one Hawke out of all my PTs ever regularly used a Brothel. And even then, I could have just skipped the actual payment and just said he went. But the building needed to be there for me to bother with the whole idea at all.)
What I'm saying is that the avoidance of brothels worries me about the sort of Role Playing Opportunities that we'll have in DA4. I feel like in DAO and DA2, there were a couple of ways to handle even small situations. Now there are heavily controlled outcomes of all major decisions and few, if any, different resolutions to small decisions.
Why CAN'T I EXECUTE SAMSON? His crimes were JUST AS BAD AS ERIMUND'S. I'd rather him have jumped off a cliff like Calpernia than have them chain my hands like that. And when I play my pro death evil Quiz, I already know in advance from experience I won't get to cut off everyone's head. The axe should have been an option for every single judgement.
And so, we have so much murder knifing in DAO that it's absurd. WE have a mixed amount of absurd and compelling murder knifing in DA2. We get One? Instance of murder knifing? in DAI, excluding formal (limited number) executions (there is a second, but it's LOCKED BEHIND A ROMANCE, of all things.)
We have a brothel and several casual sex encounters in DAO. We have a brothel and two? casual sex encounters in DA2. We have NO brothel and 1 casual sex encounter in DAI.
Obviously, I am not the only one to see the trend?
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Post by Catilina on Oct 3, 2017 21:32:10 GMT
I'm not saying that the only way DA4 will be any good is if they have full on sex scenes like the Witcher. ( I've said before in this thread, that only one Hawke out of all my PTs ever regularly used a Brothel. And even then, I could have just skipped the actual payment and just said he went. But the building needed to be there for me to bother with the whole idea at all.) What I'm saying is that the avoidance of brothels worries me about the sort of Role Playing Opportunities that we'll have in DA4. I feel like in DAO and DA2, there were a couple of ways to handle even small situations. Now there are heavily controlled outcomes of all major decisions and few, if any, different resolutions to small decisions. Why CAN'T I EXECUTE SAMSON? His crimes were JUST AS BAD AS ERIMUND'S. I'd rather him have jumped off a cliff like Calpernia than have them chain my hands like that. And when I play my pro death evil Quiz, I already know in advance from experience I won't get to cut off everyone's head. The axe should have been an option for every single judgement. And so, we have so much murder knifing in DAO that it's absurd. WE have a mixed amount of absurd and compelling murder knifing in DA2. We get One? Instance of murder knifing? in DAI, excluding formal (limited number) executions (there is a second, but it's LOCKED BEHIND A ROMANCE, of all things.) We have a brothel and several casual sex encounters in DAO. We have a brothel and two? casual sex encounters in DA2. We have NO brothel and 1 casual sex encounter in DAI. Obviously, I am not the only one to see the trend? Where?
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2017 21:35:01 GMT
And so, we have so much murder knifing in DAO that it's absurd. WE have a mixed amount of absurd and compelling murder knifing in DA2. We get One? Instance of murder knifing? in DAI, excluding formal (limited number) executions (there is a second, but it's LOCKED BEHIND A ROMANCE, of all things.) We have a brothel and several casual sex encounters in DAO. We have a brothel and two? casual sex encounters in DA2. We have NO brothel and 1 casual sex encounter in DAI. Obviously, I am not the only one to see the trend? No, I don't. Plainly because neither of the games presents the same story and ignoring that fact does everybody a disservice. Like seriously, I don't see how the precise numbers of how many times we can knife someone or have casual sex says much about strength of the story or RP opportunities. In fact, it seems rather silly.
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Post by phoray on Oct 3, 2017 21:35:25 GMT
Catilina In Josephine's quest, if you have Noble Knowledge, you can offer the Judge political power or sex to get her to sign the papers for Jose to get her quest resolved. Available to both genders. Although the fact that no one, even your LI, mentions it makes it a bit boring.
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Post by phoray on Oct 3, 2017 21:42:18 GMT
And so, we have so much murder knifing in DAO that it's absurd. WE have a mixed amount of absurd and compelling murder knifing in DA2. We get One? Instance of murder knifing? in DAI, excluding formal (limited number) executions (there is a second, but it's LOCKED BEHIND A ROMANCE, of all things.) We have a brothel and several casual sex encounters in DAO. We have a brothel and two? casual sex encounters in DA2. We have NO brothel and 1 casual sex encounter in DAI. Obviously, I am not the only one to see the trend? No, I don't. Plainly because neither of the games presents the same story and ignoring that fact does everybody a disservice. Like seriously, I don't see how the precise numbers of how many times we can knife someone or have casual sex says much about strength of the story or RP opportunities. In fact, it seems rather silly. It represents the thoroughness by the creators to offer multiple branches of story per encounter. Making replaying the game with multiple personalities a joy, as I discover more and more about the game each time I play. Other than the Romance Options, Mages vs Templar (ally vs conscript versions) and who rules Orlais--- what else is there to replay for? If I cannot express the worst and best of humanites qualities in the same game? Oh yes. I have gotten some enjoyment from portraying different religions, since Faith is such a strong theme. Atheist/Agnostic, Andrastian, Dalish are also three roles that get support. There is also no ability to intimidate, persuade, or lie. Other things I enjoyed quite thoroughly in DAO. You said before I was conflating, but I admit, even in my original post, that the potential lack of a brothel worries me. I liked DAI. I do not want DAI Part 2. The more and more Dragon Age goes on, the more and more Linear it gets. I don't want the only freedom I get to be who among the pre chosen by the writers LIs I get to bang that game.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 3, 2017 21:42:35 GMT
Catilina In Josephine's quest, if you have Noble Knowledge, you can offer the Judge political power or sex to get her to sign the papers for Jose to get her quest resolved.
Available to both genders. Although the fact that no one, even your LI, mentions it makes it a bit boring. Oh, this! I forget, probably because not too exciting.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 3, 2017 21:48:40 GMT
Catilina In Josephine's quest, if you have Noble Knowledge, you can offer the Judge political power or sex to get her to sign the papers for Jose to get her quest resolved.
Available to both genders. Although the fact that no one, even your LI, mentions it makes it a bit boring. Oh, this! I forget, probably because not too exciting. I remembered it, since it's kind of funny.
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Post by Lazarillo on Oct 3, 2017 22:06:51 GMT
As someone who never once "used" a brothel in one of the first two DA games (seriously, I don't, like, even get the point), there is the sense that yeah, as the first post said, removing them entirely just feels like an attempt to "sanitize" the setting. I do think there's a difference from removing the concept and removing the "function". I don't see any purpose in leaving in the ability to pay in game for a fade to black and a funny line when the game kicks back in, or the like. But, I particularly think of the Blooming Rose in DA2, where it played into the plot (and where there were definitely some "brothel"-related threads that couldn't just be flung over to the Hanged Man) that I think it's silly to just disregard.
DAI already pared down a lot of the "flavor" of the first two games, and it was the series best-selling entry, IIRC, so it wouldn't surprise me to see DA4 continue that trend rather than "return to its roots", though.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2017 22:20:59 GMT
No, I don't. Plainly because neither of the games presents the same story and ignoring that fact does everybody a disservice. Like seriously, I don't see how the precise numbers of how many times we can knife someone or have casual sex says much about strength of the story or RP opportunities. In fact, it seems rather silly. It represents the thoroughness by the creators to offer multiple branches of story per encounter. Making replaying the game with multiple personalities a joy, as I discover more and more about the game each time I play. I'm sorry, but I can't wrap my mind around the concept that murdering people or having casual sex is supposedly so important to replayability as if there were no other or better ways to express multiple personalities... You can? You just can't express it by randomly and gratuitously murdering people left and right. That doesn't really inspires confidence in someone being the one hope to deal with a threat to the world. Your companions and allies can leave your side for less than not controlling the urge to shiv people. You CAN intimidate, persuade or lie, especially when you unlock all the appropriate perks for it. The presence of brothels or their lack doesn't bother me at all - I'm just not a person that hinges my feelings on the game on brothels, given about a zillion other, more important things I'd love to see and which themselves can bring plethora of replayability options all on their own. Many of those will depend on the story... that we don't yet know anything about. Like I said somewhere earlier, EVEN IF we end up spending a lot of time in Minrathous, there's no way of telling if the story will even let us visit districts where they're located. What if they're already destroyed or taken by Qunari? What if they're sectioned off, because they fell into hands of rebellion of slaves? What if they fell into the ground because of some magical conundrum (there are deep, mysterious catacombs under the city)? Since we don't know any details of the game, worrying about the presence of something that was never anything other than minor and inconsequential to the story at large seems unproductive, if not there to seed unwarranted negativity.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 3, 2017 22:25:10 GMT
I'm not saying that the only way DA4 will be any good is if they have full on sex scenes like the Witcher. ( I've said before in this thread, that only one Hawke out of all my PTs ever regularly used a Brothel. And even then, I could have just skipped the actual payment and just said he went. But the building needed to be there for me to bother with the whole idea at all.) What I'm saying is that the avoidance of brothels worries me about the sort of Role Playing Opportunities that we'll have in DA4. I feel like in DAO and DA2, there were a couple of ways to handle even small situations. Now there are heavily controlled outcomes of all major decisions and few, if any, different resolutions to small decisions. Why CAN'T I EXECUTE SAMSON? His crimes were JUST AS BAD AS ERIMUND'S. I'd rather him have jumped off a cliff like Calpernia than have them chain my hands like that. And when I play my pro death evil Quiz, I already know in advance from experience I won't get to cut off everyone's head. The axe should have been an option for every single judgement. And so, we have so much murder knifing in DAO that it's absurd. WE have a mixed amount of absurd and compelling murder knifing in DA2. We get One? Instance of murder knifing? in DAI, excluding formal (limited number) executions (there is a second, but it's LOCKED BEHIND A ROMANCE, of all things.) We have a brothel and several casual sex encounters in DAO. We have a brothel and two? casual sex encounters in DA2. We have NO brothel and 1 casual sex encounter in DAI. Obviously, I am not the only one to see the trend? We don't know what opportunities we'll get in DA4.
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Post by theascendent on Oct 3, 2017 22:28:35 GMT
Considering that we will be dealing with a Qunari/Tevinter war I imagine we'll find plenty of morally ambiguous and reprehensible situations in the upcoming game. So I'll happily forego the chance to visit a brothel for the chance to kill Qunari.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 3, 2017 22:29:26 GMT
This piece of news has definitely made me lose my enthusiasm for DA4. It's not about brothels though. This really shows Bioware lost their edge. They could've erased the controversy regarding them being under SJW influence by putting a few sex slaves out there, but the fact that they don't do it proves the point. This is so ridiculous that I can't honestly tell if you're serious or not with this statement. You truly believe that the mere fact that they might not put brothels in the game as an indicator that they've "lost their edge"? DAI had plenty of dark and edgy stuff in it, including a demon that mind-raped people. ... what else is there to replay for? You could just replay it because you enjoy it. I have a single canon Inquisitor and get enjoyment from playing the same game with him repeatedly, the same as if I were rewatching a favorite movie or rereading a favorite novel. Not everyone has to experience all the iterations of every little thing. I haven't experienced most of the choice variation in DAI, and frankly, have no desire to. (Outside of eventually finishing a full templar play, which I will have to do at some point to finally meet Calpernia before DA4.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 22:30:30 GMT
Actually, we are in an odd situation when DA4 is not confirmed, but we have a huge tread about the atmospheric importance of brothels where it might take place to a character we might want to RP.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 3, 2017 22:33:15 GMT
We really need more information.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 22:37:39 GMT
We really need more information. All we have is one word from a cat.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2017 22:46:52 GMT
We really need more information. All we have is one word from a cat. Little did we know, Mark Darrah has just revealed everything about DA4 to us with this small gif. Dragon Age 4: The Cat That Says Nah!
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 3, 2017 22:53:26 GMT
At this point, I would be happy with just about anything. A blurry picture of some random piece of vague concept art. Something else from that neat little red book, perhaps.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 3, 2017 22:54:27 GMT
To be honest, I'm more concerned that they removed healing spells in DAI to make the combat harder.
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Post by phoray on Oct 3, 2017 23:00:12 GMT
All we have is one word from a cat. Little did we know, Mark Darrah has just revealed everything about DA4 to us with this small gif. Dragon Age 4: The Cat That Says Nah! I laughed pretty hard. Regardless of what started the thought process, the rest of the concerns are there. I pointed out a trend.
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Post by Lazarillo on Oct 3, 2017 23:06:18 GMT
Dragon Age 4: The Cat That Says Nah! So what you're saying is that Ser Pounce-A-Lot is actually an ancient Elven god-wannabe? It wouldn't be the craziest DA prediction I've heard.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2017 23:09:04 GMT
To be honest, I'm more concerned that they removed healing spells in DAI to make the combat harder. It's a bit more complicated than that, actually: Not having healing magic in DAI was, as I recall, due to the game initially being built in a certain way where traditional healing wouldn't have fit the model. Unfortunately, as development progressed the game's goals changed slightly and that was no longer the case; certain core things couldn't be changed at that point. On the dev side there was a lot of pain, time wise, having to stand the new engine up to have RPG systems (at that time I believe the engine had only shipped battlefield and a need for speed game). Since then things have come a long way and we, theoretically, have the ability to plan and execute better when it comes to combat and gameplay. I have high hopes that if another DA game were to exist it would solve a lot of issues I've seen in this thread
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2017 23:12:27 GMT
Dragon Age 4: The Cat That Says Nah! So what you're saying is that Ser Pounce-A-Lot is actually an ancient Elven god-wannabe? It wouldn't be the craziest DA prediction I've heard. Well, DAI ended with a revelation that one of our companions is the Dread Wolf, so maybe now it's time for the Dread Cat?
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Post by duskwanderer on Oct 3, 2017 23:25:02 GMT
I liked it because it was fun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 23:50:43 GMT
Soon we'll no longer kill enemies, we'll gently knock them unconscious in a way that leaves no threat for brain damage. Or talking them through their troubled childhood. I don't really care all that much about the presence of a brothel but we've been hearing about how terrible Tevinter is for three games now. I'm expecting dark decadence, it's going to be extremely disappointing if the only place that version of Tevinter exists is if you read between the lines of Codex entries. I thought the brothels in the first two games were boring and silly, so good riddance, but I agree with you on being concerned about Tevinter turning out to be some watered down version of what we have been learning about for the past three games. I hope the devs don't wuss out.
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