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Post by smilesja on Oct 4, 2017 0:44:28 GMT
Considering that's been implied that Fenris was raped by his master. I'm doubtful.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 4, 2017 0:45:26 GMT
Considering that's been implied that Fenris was raped by his master. I'm doubtful. But that was before Bioware became PC, smiles.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 4, 2017 0:47:34 GMT
I thought Bioware became PC when you could have romance nearly of your companions in DA2.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Oct 4, 2017 0:50:08 GMT
Someone needs to ASK ABOUT THE LEAK>!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 4, 2017 0:51:55 GMT
Someone needs to ASK ABOUT THE LEAK>! Why? Bioware and EA won't say anything about it, regardless of whether it is true or false *. *it's false btw
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Post by formerfiend on Oct 4, 2017 1:03:15 GMT
End of the day I'm not saying that this is the decision that is going to make or break DA4 for me; the Inquisitor returning as a playable character remains the big one there.
Why this concerns me is that I have no interest in playing another character that is refined(in the social sense, not the characterization sense) and statesman like and beholden to the perception of others. I want to play a character who is crass, crude, hedonistic, and carefree regarding how anyone views them.
There are brothels in Tevinter. Even if that hadn't been confirmed by other sources, that is something that could be said with absolute certainty, because there are brothels everywhere. By saying that those brothels aren't going to show up in DA4, what the devs are saying is that, with no input from us, our characters are not the type of people who would visit the brothel. They're apparently too good for that.
Some here may think that I'm reading too much into this decision and making assumptions based on nothing. I say I'm displaying basic pattern recognition and deductive reasoning skills.
I already have major trepidation regarding the direction Dragon Age's plot is going based on how DAI and Trespasser leave off that make me think that I'm going to hate the story on a pure plot level. So my interest in playing DA4 was primarily based around the hope that this time around I'd get to play a character the way I actually wanted to play them, in a way I could actually enjoy. While by no means definitive, this is a sign that isn't likely to happen.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 4, 2017 2:41:26 GMT
They were rather forgettable, in my opinion. I won't lose sleep over it if their not in DA4. I think this has more to do with the larger issue of Bioware "toning down" their games in order not offend anyone. Take the Desire demon in DAI as a reference.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 4, 2017 2:47:25 GMT
They were rather forgettable, in my opinion. I won't lose sleep over it if their not in DA4. I think this has more to do with the larger issue of Bioware "toning down" their games in order not offend anyone. Take the Desire demon in DAI as a reference. Choice. Spirit.
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Post by thedarkprince on Oct 4, 2017 2:53:55 GMT
Nothing wrong with them, since it was just extra content. I assume they are dying rhis not to objectify anyone. Which is silly to try and remove a bit of sex appeal in a M-rated game. So any chance we never see Desire Demons again?....
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Post by smilesja on Oct 4, 2017 2:54:57 GMT
They were rather forgettable, in my opinion. I won't lose sleep over it if their not in DA4. I think this has more to do with the larger issue of Bioware "toning down" their games in order not offend anyone. Take the Desire demon in DAI as a reference. It’s an overblown issue.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 4, 2017 2:57:49 GMT
They were rather forgettable, in my opinion. I won't lose sleep over it if their not in DA4. I think this has more to do with the larger issue of Bioware "toning down" their games in order not offend anyone. Take the Desire demon in DAI as a reference. Um, sure why not. Though, tone or "offending anyone" wasn't what I was suggesting. I just thought they weren't any good and had no reason to be there. As they're was so little content. A lot of well... fluff.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 4, 2017 2:59:01 GMT
End of the day I'm not saying that this is the decision that is going to make or break DA4 for me; the Inquisitor returning as a playable character remains the big one there. Why this concerns me is that I have no interest in playing another character that is refined(in the social sense, not the characterization sense) and statesman like and beholden to the perception of others. I want to play a character who is crass, crude, hedonistic, and carefree regarding how anyone views them. There are brothels in Tevinter. Even if that hadn't been confirmed by other sources, that is something that could be said with absolute certainty, because there are brothels everywhere. By saying that those brothels aren't going to show up in DA4, what the devs are saying is that, with no input from us, our characters are not the type of people who would visit the brothel. They're apparently too good for that. It is beyond me why people keep making the argument that "if there are no brothels the character is just too good for that". One thing doesn't follow another. The existence of brothels is not a moral issue - not on larger scale and not in terms of morality of a character. At best it's a flavor issue. The character may be the most crass, crude, hedonistic and carefree bastard there lived, and still not visit brothel for variety of reasons, including lack of time or circumstances that allow for it. That is it. And nobody really questions whether there are brothels in Tevinter. Again, I don't understand why this comes around, considering that there are not that many people that are even questioning that - only whether seeing one is really that important, especially when we're discussing it while knowing basically nothing about the game. We know for sure there are brothels in Ferelden and there likely were brothels in Val Royeaux itself. We just didn't happen to see them, while we CAN play an Inquisitor who is a a-hole who picks romances when there's a lot of sex involved so again - not a morality issue.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 4, 2017 3:01:25 GMT
And look how well it sold, reviewed and has gotten high praise. It is obvious that CDPR is penetrating a segment of gamers that Bioware no longer carea about.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 4, 2017 3:02:51 GMT
And look how well it sold, reviewed and has gotten high praise. It is obvious that CDPR is penetrating a segment of gamers that Bioware no longer carea about. I think Witcher 3 praise goes deeper than brothels.
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Post by formerfiend on Oct 4, 2017 3:04:18 GMT
Lack of time is not going to be the reason. And if it is used as the reason, then it's going to be a weak, unconvincing reason. Bioware does not structure their games in a way that allows for lack of time to be a compelling reason to deny us something so simple.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 4, 2017 3:05:33 GMT
They were rather forgettable, in my opinion. I won't lose sleep over it if their not in DA4. I think this has more to do with the larger issue of Bioware "toning down" their games in order not offend anyone. Take the Desire demon in DAI as a reference. Hold it there, chucklenuts. Imshael was a Forbidden One, not a desire demon. That's like comparing paddle boats to aircraft carriers.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 4, 2017 3:12:33 GMT
Lack of time is not going to be the reason. And if it is used as the reason, then it's going to be a weak, unconvincing reason. Bioware does not structure their games in a way that allows for lack of time to be a compelling reason to deny us something so simple. Oh yes, it is super-simple to travel all those days or weeks from Skyhold or distant zones to places populous enough that have a brothel, or have Inquisitor escorted to a brothel when the whole of Val Royeaux is watching every step they make ... Lack of time was only an example and hardly the only one I can think of.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 4, 2017 3:14:32 GMT
And look how well it sold, reviewed and has gotten high praise. It is obvious that CDPR is penetrating a segment of gamers that Bioware no longer carea about. Oh, you mean the same CDPR that has considerably toned down all the casual sex Geralt can get, from a title where one can collect titillating cards of women he can shag to a select few in TW3?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 4, 2017 3:17:49 GMT
And look how well it sold, reviewed and has gotten high praise. It is obvious that CDPR is penetrating a segment of gamers that Bioware no longer carea about. Wait, are you arguing that the reason the Witcher 3 sold as well as it did...was because it had a brothel?
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 4, 2017 3:20:28 GMT
And look how well it sold, reviewed and has gotten high praise. It is obvious that CDPR is penetrating a segment of gamers that Bioware no longer carea about. I think Witcher 3 praise goes deeper than brothels. Don't you know? The number of brothels available for visit in the game determines its quality.
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Post by formerfiend on Oct 4, 2017 3:22:45 GMT
Lack of time is not going to be the reason. And if it is used as the reason, then it's going to be a weak, unconvincing reason. Bioware does not structure their games in a way that allows for lack of time to be a compelling reason to deny us something so simple. Oh yes, it is super-simple to travel all those days or weeks from Skyhold or distant zones to places populous enough that have a brothel, or have Inquisitor escorted to a brothel when the whole of Val Royeaux is watching every step they make ... Lack of time was only an example and hardly the only one I can think of. If I can trek back and forth from Skyhold to the Western Approach to do war table missions for a dragon I'm baiting, and then go back and forth again to set plans for a fucking siege, then there is time to stop and get laid on the way. I can trek the hundreds of miles back and forth between Skyhold and Val Royoux half a dozen times in the course of Josephine's personal quest alone, - including once just to have a heart to heart conversation with her that could have just as easily taken place at Skyhold - but I can't stop in at a brothel while I'm there once? Hell, there's time for me to haul my ass all the way to VR to buy flowers and candles for Cassandra because there is no other merchant who sells these things anywhere closer to Skyhold than the capital city of Orlais. Time in't a factor for that shit. And it wouldn't have to be a distant place. You know what we're constantly told is right out side Skyhold? A massive military camp for our soldiers. You know what always, always, always pops up right next to massive military camps? Followers camps. You know what followers camps have? Prostitutes. So it could be right outside the fucking castle, where we'd actually get a glimpse at this massive force people keep telling us we have, but nope; can't let the Herald of Andraste be seen by the common soldier as just a person with wants and needs and desires.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 4, 2017 3:23:37 GMT
And look how well it sold, reviewed and has gotten high praise. It is obvious that CDPR is penetrating a segment of gamers that Bioware no longer carea about. Wait, are you arguing that the reason the Witcher 3 sold as well as it did...was because it had a brothel? Not a brothel, multiple brothels where you can have sex with as many people as you can.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 4, 2017 3:27:26 GMT
Wait, are you arguing that the reason the Witcher 3 sold as well as it did...was because it had a brothel? Not a brothel, multiple brothels where you can have sex as long as you can. Oh. Well in that case...
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 4, 2017 3:33:49 GMT
And look how well it sold, reviewed and has gotten high praise. It is obvious that CDPR is penetrating a segment of gamers that Bioware no longer carea about. Oh, you mean the same CDPR that has considerably toned down all the casual sex Geralt can get, from a title where one can collect titillating cards of women he can shag to a select few in TW3? Yes and the same CDPR that treated the player like an adult and wasnt afraid to "go there" with themes that Bioware now seems to timid about. Taking out Brothels is just a minor issue. The bigger issue is Bioware possibly sanitizing Tevinter because they do not want to offend a certain demographics. Despite having the last 3 games give us references to just how offensive of a place Tevinter really is. So this is less about wanting to see videogame breast and more about if Bioware can tell an adult Dark Fantasy story that shows a lot of dark themes the same way TW3 did.
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Post by formerfiend on Oct 4, 2017 3:37:16 GMT
As I recall there are more optional sexual encounters in Witcher 3 than there are in Witcher 2. Both are toned down from Witcher 1 in number but both are more explicit in content.
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