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Post by midnight tea on Oct 4, 2017 3:38:28 GMT
Oh yes, it is super-simple to travel all those days or weeks from Skyhold or distant zones to places populous enough that have a brothel, or have Inquisitor escorted to a brothel when the whole of Val Royeaux is watching every step they make ... Lack of time was only an example and hardly the only one I can think of. If I can trek back and forth from Skyhold to the Western Approach to do war table missions for a dragon I'm baiting, and then go back and forth again to set plans for a fucking siege, then there is time to stop and get laid on the way. I can trek the hundreds of miles back and forth between Skyhold and Val Royoux half a dozen times in the course of Josephine's personal quest alone, - including once just to have a heart to heart conversation with her that could have just as easily taken place at Skyhold - but I can't stop in at a brothel while I'm there once? Hell, there's time for me to haul my ass all the way to VR to buy flowers and candles for Cassandra because there is no other merchant who sells these things anywhere closer to Skyhold than the capital city of Orlais. Time in't a factor for that shit. All of the things you mention are something more than a trek for simple pleasures - a 'fucking siege' or helping to save your ambassador from assassins, or even making an effort to do something for the woman we supposedly love enough to do something for her are way more important things than visiting a brothel, nevermind all the risks that come with it. Are you serious? Of course the Herald can't be seen by the common soldier as just a person - that was a whole theme in Inquisition. Like, it didn't even matter much what Herald wanted. Heck, people are grumbling when Inquisitor dares to officially romance one of their trusted companions, to not say anything about rumors that surround Inquisitor whenever they even look at a person too long.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 4, 2017 3:41:14 GMT
And look how well it sold, reviewed and has gotten high praise. It is obvious that CDPR is penetrating a segment of gamers that Bioware no longer carea about. Wait, are you arguing that the reason the Witcher 3 sold as well as it did...was because it had a brothel? No, I am saying that despite having brothels, it didnt deter it getting high review scores and selling well. Yes, DAI sold well but we dont know how well in comparison to TW3 cause EA never gave full sales numbers.
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 4, 2017 3:44:58 GMT
In this, I agree with Tea. The Inquisitor wasn't your run-of-the-mill Joe.
If anything, a harem would have been more appropriate.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 4, 2017 3:47:11 GMT
Oh, you mean the same CDPR that has considerably toned down all the casual sex Geralt can get, from a title where one can collect titillating cards of women he can shag to a select few in TW3? Yes and the same CDPR that treated the player like an adult and wasnt afraid to "go there" with themes that Bioware now seems to timid about. Taking out Brothels is just a minor issue. The bigger issue is Bioware possibly sanitizing Tevinter because they do not want to offend a certain demographics. Despite having the last 3 games give us references to just how offensive of a place Tevinter really is. So this is less about wanting to see videogame breast and more about if Bioware can tell an adult Dark Fantasy story that shows a lot of dark themes the same way TW3 did. Oh please, Dragon Age Inquisition had adult themes that weren't always black and white in their portrayals but was done beautifully. We don't even know how dark DA4 is going to be if anything it might morally grey considering Tevinter and the Qunari are going to war.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 4, 2017 3:48:04 GMT
Wait, are you arguing that the reason the Witcher 3 sold as well as it did...was because it had a brothel? No, I am saying that despite having brothels, it didnt deter it getting high review scores and selling well. Yes, DAI sold well but we dont know how well in comparison to TW3 cause EA never gave full sales numbers. It sold well because it of the story and characters and not because of brothels.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 4, 2017 3:48:49 GMT
As I recall there are more optional sexual encounters in Witcher 3 than there are in Witcher 2. Both are toned down from Witcher 1 in number but both are more explicit in content. But they slowly reduced the sexual encounters each game.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 4, 2017 3:54:18 GMT
Oh, you mean the same CDPR that has considerably toned down all the casual sex Geralt can get, from a title where one can collect titillating cards of women he can shag to a select few in TW3? Yes and the same CDPR that treated the player like an adult and wasnt afraid to "go there" with themes that Bioware now seems to timid about. Taking out Brothels is just a minor issue. The bigger issue is Bioware possibly sanitizing Tevinter because they do not want to offend a certain demographics. Despite having the last 3 games give us references to just how offensive of a place Tevinter really is. So this is less about wanting to see videogame breast and more about if Bioware can tell an adult Dark Fantasy story that shows a lot of dark themes the same way TW3 did. i prefer my dark fantasy writing to be balanced and mature.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 4, 2017 3:57:49 GMT
Oh, you mean the same CDPR that has considerably toned down all the casual sex Geralt can get, from a title where one can collect titillating cards of women he can shag to a select few in TW3? Yes and the same CDPR that treated the player like an adult and wasnt afraid to "go there" with themes that Bioware now seems to timid about. Taking out Brothels is just a minor issue. The bigger issue is Bioware possibly sanitizing Tevinter because they do not want to offend a certain demographics. Despite having the last 3 games give us references to just how offensive of a place Tevinter really is. So this is more about wanting to see videogame breast and more about if Bioware can tell an adult Dark Fantasy story that shows a lot of dark themes the same way TW3 did. "Going there" is not a mark of adulthood. In fact, not that rarely it's the opposite, because so many gamers are not adult individuals but horny teens that know zilch about "adult dark fantasy" and only call it that way to tickle their ego and justify the demand for content they like. Hence even Witcher toned it down. And in fact, as far as I recall, sex in Witcher 3 had little to do with darkness - so did presence of brothels in, say, DAO - and it amuses me that these two things are conflated. And nobody is sanitizing Tevinter so far as we know it. We don't even know what is going to be in DA4 and all the talk about 'oh, they don't want to offend anyone' is just empty talk done in bad faith. Like I said - hard to argue that DA became timid when advisers can marvel at the size of Qunari equipment. And then make that Qunari watch his friends die, only to ignore his suffering and instead focus on getting all the sex - and then watch as he betrays us.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 4, 2017 4:00:46 GMT
Putting too much darkness in a story can be considered immature as well.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Oct 4, 2017 4:15:16 GMT
I'm thinking of all the brothel experiences I've had in RPGs...and they've been quite fun. It is, after all, a role play option. And in games like DA:O and TW3 the devs had some rollicking fun with it, or even tied them into interesting characters and quests. Just not much for the sanitized version of medieval fantasy.
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Post by phoray on Oct 4, 2017 4:17:41 GMT
And look how well it sold, reviewed and has gotten high praise. It is obvious that CDPR is penetrating a segment of gamers that Bioware no longer carea about. I think Witcher 3 praise goes deeper than brothels. This made me laugh. Sounds dirty, smiles
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Post by smilesja on Oct 4, 2017 4:22:10 GMT
I think Witcher 3 praise goes deeper than brothels. This made me laugh. Sounds dirty, smiles
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 4, 2017 4:22:10 GMT
And look how well it sold, reviewed and has gotten high praise. It is obvious that CDPR is penetrating a segment of gamers that Bioware no longer carea about. I think Witcher 3 praise goes deeper than brothels. *whispers* That's what she said...
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 4, 2017 4:26:07 GMT
WTF? How is my character suppose to be whoring around, now? Damn Bioweenie.
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Post by formerfiend on Oct 4, 2017 5:12:28 GMT
If I can trek back and forth from Skyhold to the Western Approach to do war table missions for a dragon I'm baiting, and then go back and forth again to set plans for a fucking siege, then there is time to stop and get laid on the way. I can trek the hundreds of miles back and forth between Skyhold and Val Royoux half a dozen times in the course of Josephine's personal quest alone, - including once just to have a heart to heart conversation with her that could have just as easily taken place at Skyhold - but I can't stop in at a brothel while I'm there once? Hell, there's time for me to haul my ass all the way to VR to buy flowers and candles for Cassandra because there is no other merchant who sells these things anywhere closer to Skyhold than the capital city of Orlais. Time in't a factor for that shit. All of the things you mention are something more than a trek for simple pleasures - a 'fucking siege' or helping to save your ambassador from assassins, or even making an effort to do something for the woman we supposedly love enough to do something for her are way more important things than visiting a brothel, nevermind all the risks that come with it. Are you serious? Of course the Herald can't be seen by the common soldier as just a person - that was a whole theme in Inquisition. Like, it didn't even matter much what Herald wanted. Heck, people are grumbling when Inquisitor dares to officially romance one of their trusted companions, to not say anything about rumors that surround Inquisitor whenever they even look at a person too long. And that is exactly why I've grown to dislike the game, because it forces me to play along to that tune. It doesn't allow me to defy what people expect and break the rule and pay the consequences. I think that the whole fucking theme of Inquisition, as you put it only with the word fucking in there for emphasis, is unenjoyable for me personally. I get it. I just don't like it. It's an intentional decision and it's a bad one. I recognize it, but I don't have to appreciate it, I don't have to agree with it, I don't have to respect it. And I don't. Fuck the theme of Inquisition, and fuck Inquisition.
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Post by kino on Oct 4, 2017 5:55:30 GMT
Oh, I'm sure everyone will survive without Tevinter brothels. If they don't add anything to the story why have them anyway?
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Post by cmoe on Oct 4, 2017 5:58:01 GMT
Oh, I'm sure everyone will survive without Tevinter brothels. If they don't add anything to the story why have them anyway? Errr, the usual reasons, when a man or woman loves a man or woman....... Kidding. Couldn't care less either way..
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 4, 2017 6:41:59 GMT
Oh, I'm sure everyone will survive without Tevinter brothels. If they don't add anything to the story why have them anyway? "Mature themes"
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Post by kino on Oct 4, 2017 7:00:44 GMT
Oh, I'm sure everyone will survive without Tevinter brothels. If they don't add anything to the story why have them anyway? "Mature themes" Now that has a chance of becoming a meme. I can see it now; that alien guy from the History channel doing air quotes, "Mature themes."
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 4, 2017 7:40:35 GMT
"Mature themes" Now that has a chance of becoming a meme. I can see it now; that alien guy from the History channel doing air quotes, "Mature themes."
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Post by isaidlunch on Oct 4, 2017 8:56:00 GMT
You can kill half of Thedas if you want, but having casual sex is where we draw the line!
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Post by Wildfire on Oct 4, 2017 9:20:34 GMT
Brothels are fun in theory, but to this day I've found only one brothel in gaming to be enjoyable: The Blooming Rose Others have been rather lousy. So I don't think we are losing anything important even if we can't bang prostitutes in DA4. But definitely support OP's opinion that we should be able to see the DA4 cities in all their splendor and gloominess. No more Val Royeaux bullshit please! DAI failed big time because it didn't have a single proper city. Give us DA4 version of Novigrad, or even better, Kirkwall And yeah, I want casual sex as well! DAO didn't have a lot of redeeming qualities, but hilarious random sexual encounters was one of them. Spoiling Cammen's relationship by seducing the elven girl was one of the highlights
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Post by Nightscrawl on Oct 4, 2017 12:03:36 GMT
Are you serious? Of course the Herald can't be seen by the common soldier as just a person - that was a whole theme in Inquisition. Like, it didn't even matter much what Herald wanted. The scene involving this is the main thing I miss in not recruiting Iron Bull. I think it's important, and fits well with my character and the various issues he has related to being Inquisitor. Ah well. There is a similar type of dialogue on the battlements with Blackwall, where he says, "The truth doesn't matter." He's obviously projecting (which your Inquisitor doesn't know at the time), but it adds to the message as a whole.
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Post by pinkjellybeans on Oct 4, 2017 14:23:03 GMT
Oh yes, it is super-simple to travel all those days or weeks from Skyhold or distant zones to places populous enough that have a brothel, or have Inquisitor escorted to a brothel when the whole of Val Royeaux is watching every step they make ... Lack of time was only an example and hardly the only one I can think of. If I can trek back and forth from Skyhold to the Western Approach to do war table missions for a dragon I'm baiting, and then go back and forth again to set plans for a fucking siege, then there is time to stop and get laid on the way. I can trek the hundreds of miles back and forth between Skyhold and Val Royoux half a dozen times in the course of Josephine's personal quest alone, - including once just to have a heart to heart conversation with her that could have just as easily taken place at Skyhold - but I can't stop in at a brothel while I'm there once? Hell, there's time for me to haul my ass all the way to VR to buy flowers and candles for Cassandra because there is no other merchant who sells these things anywhere closer to Skyhold than the capital city of Orlais. Time in't a factor for that shit. This is a little off topic and it's actually something that many people may not even notice, but it's actually ridiculous when you think about it. I'm replaying DAI now and I've been doing companion missions and it's just so unrealistic going back and forth all over Orlais and Ferelden to do these 5 minute missions and then go back to Skyhold, which is in the middle of nowhere so to travel to these places you have to go through wilderness for at least a few days. Like with Cole after his quest, I remember the first time I played the game, my first reaction was "are you seriously going to Val Royeaux, have dinner and then go back to Skyhold like it's just next door?". I know this is a minor thing, but when you open up that map and see the distance of each place it's mind blowing that the Inquisitor would travel for days/weeks just to do something that is often trivial and doesn't even take a day to complete. I hate that I notice these things and that it actually bothers me sometimes. But I think this is one of the problems I have with the locations in DAI too. They are too stretched out and unrelated to one another and to the main story, so everything feels disconnected like I'm playing two different games (when exploring the maps and then doing the actual main missions). I know people don't like when others bring up TW3, but honestly TW3 maps are a great example of how to handle open world. We still get 3 different maps but White Orchard is more of a tutorial and an introduction to the game than anything else (still great though), Velen/Novigrad is where most of the story happens and then going to Skellige feels like a completely new world. But the important part is, it's the main story that takes you to these places and you get to explore and do sidequests while doing main missions as well. Everything is connected and makes sense. And the "companion" missions (Triss, Yen, Dandelion, Zoltan) all happen on those places too. I so want that to happen in DA4, you have no idea. Ok, no more off topic, sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 14:27:09 GMT
W3 is not a revelation in that respect. Most old BW games were like that (and a great many other ones, I am certain), hub maps where the main story took you, and if you wished, you did a lot of sidequests as well. Hopping back and force through instant travel to do unrelated missions here and there is newer than the hubs.
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