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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 1, 2017 20:32:21 GMT
If we are going to Tevinter, that's a damn shame, because you'd think they want to provide the edgy, grim vision of Tevinter that has been painted throughout the game, with it's whorehouses and slavery and whatnot.
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Post by shechinah on Nov 1, 2017 22:03:45 GMT
Yes, yes, I get that. But cloud9's statement implied that the prostitutes would pay him. Reminds me of that completely out-of-place scene from Game of Thrones.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 1, 2017 22:18:29 GMT
Yes, yes, I get that. But cloud9's statement implied that the prostitutes would pay him. Reminds me of that completely out-of-place scene from Game of Thrones. If you're referencing what I think you are, the prostitutes didn't technically pay Podrick; they just let him keep his money. I'm not even sure sex was involved. Maybe he just talked to the girls about their parents, like Cole did.
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Post by shechinah on Nov 1, 2017 22:28:16 GMT
Reminds me of that completely out-of-place scene from Game of Thrones. If you're referencing what I think you are, the prostitutes didn't technically pay Podrick; they just let him keep his money. I'm not even sure sex was involved. Maybe he just talked to the girls about their parents, like Cole did. You're thinking of the right one. I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that he had sex with them. It made little sense that the prostitutes would refuse payment. I could buy it in a comedy series but in Game of Thrones? No, that's honestly just stupid and is out of place in a universe like it. This is especially since the brothel's *owned by Littlefinger who had an entire speech in the show about what he did to his "investments" that didn't pay off. Note: There's a scene with Ros that confirms, as far as I can remember, that Pod went to Littlefinger's brothel.
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Post by Zatche on Nov 2, 2017 2:33:33 GMT
If you're referencing what I think you are, the prostitutes didn't technically pay Podrick; they just let him keep his money. I'm not even sure sex was involved. Maybe he just talked to the girls about their parents, like Cole did. You're thinking of the right one. I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that he had sex with them. It made little sense that the prostitutes would refuse payment. I could buy it in a comedy series but in Game of Thrones? No, that's honestly just stupid and is out of place in a universe like it. This is especially since the brothel's *owned by Littlefinger who had an entire speech in the show about what he did to his "investments" that didn't pay off. Note: There's a scene with Ros that confirms, as far as I can remember, that Pod went to Littlefinger's brothel. I like to believe that Tyrion staged the prostitutes giving back the money and pretended to be surprised. That Littlefinger owed Tyrion and Tyrion was paying that debt forward, so he never needed to leave the bag of coins. I don't know if that was what D&D or the screenwriters intended, but I'm going to go with it.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 2, 2017 3:18:17 GMT
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 2, 2017 4:27:00 GMT
It's a game, the NPCs don't care. There's no need to take stuff away from the game, but add to it. Don't like whoring in games? Then don't fucking do it. It's so simple. But I suppose it's Bioware's way of "Disneying" what once was a gritty and immersive franchise for this new generation of offended by anything Tumblr style fans, shame DAI, shame. All of ^THIS^ and more. But I personally believe it goes beyond 'Disney'.....It all comes down to feminism. Women can't be seen as Whores anymore, lest the wenches start a protest. Which as a Woman myself, think it's ridiculous! This is nothing more than Political correctness.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 2, 2017 4:43:23 GMT
It's a game, the NPCs don't care. There's no need to take stuff away from the game, but add to it. Don't like whoring in games? Then don't fucking do it. It's so simple. But I suppose it's Bioware's way of "Disneying" what once was a gritty and immersive franchise for this new generation of offended by anything Tumblr style fans, shame DAI, shame. All of ^THIS^ and more. But I personally believe it goes beyond 'Disney'.....It all comes down to feminism. Women can't be seen as Whores anymore, lest the wenches start a protest. Which as a Woman myself, think it's ridiculous! This is nothing more than Political correctness.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 2, 2017 4:46:55 GMT
All of ^THIS^ and more. But I personally believe it goes beyond 'Disney'.....It all comes down to feminism. Women can't be seen as Whores anymore, lest the wenches start a protest. Which as a Woman myself, think it's ridiculous! This is nothing more than Political correctness. If you have a comment aimed at me, then please state it in a coherent manner. And not via a vid.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 2, 2017 4:51:28 GMT
Bioware is not taking anything away by not having a brothel in DA4. Like everything else, that has to be added to the game and that costs resources. So like everything else, it has to be deemed important enough to be worth the time, effort, and resources that would need to be put into it. Bioware has deemed that it is not and instead those things should go elsewhere in the game. Whether whatever that thing is that beat out brothels and if it was worth it, only time can tell. That's it. No taking anything away, no making things Disney or PC, or any of that. The decision is simple resource allocation and management.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 2, 2017 4:55:52 GMT
That's funny, since the violence in the trailer was pretty run-of-the-mill by the standards of, say, The Walking Dead. Pray these critics never play Wolfenstein: The New Colossus.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 2, 2017 4:58:26 GMT
Bioware is not taking anything away by not having a brothel in DA4. Like everything else, that has to be added to the game and that costs resources. So like everything else, it has to be deemed important enough to be worth the time, effort, and resources that would need to be put into it. Bioware has deemed that it is not and instead those things should go elsewhere in the game. Whether whatever that thing is that beat out brothels and if it was worth it, only time can tell. That's it. No taking anything away, no making things Disney or PC, or any of that. The decision is simple resource allocation and management. What if they leave out blood magic sacrifice. Is that also going to be deemed unimportant to the story? Even though we KNOW that place thrives on it. How about slaves? This is a slippery slope, and Bioware need to be VERY CARFUL.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 2, 2017 5:01:28 GMT
Bioware is not taking anything away by not having a brothel in DA4. Like everything else, that has to be added to the game and that costs resources. So like everything else, it has to be deemed important enough to be worth the time, effort, and resources that would need to be put into it. Bioware has deemed that it is not and instead those things should go elsewhere in the game. Whether whatever that thing is that beat out brothels and if it was worth it, only time can tell. That's it. No taking anything away, no making things Disney or PC, or any of that. The decision is simple resource allocation and management. What if they leave out blood magic sacrifice. Is that also going to be deemed unimportant to the story? Even though we KNOW that place thrives on it. How about slaves? For all we know, the resources not going to the brothels are going to better showing the concepts of human sacrifice and slavery that exists in Tevinter. This whole denouncing Bioware for not having brothels thus is evidence the game won't have dark stuff in it is premature.
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 2, 2017 5:02:16 GMT
"In DA4, we'll be exploring a Tevinter that has just undergone a great cultural change: the end of slavery. Also, there's now a permanent rainbow in the sky and a unicorn on every corner."
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 2, 2017 5:06:40 GMT
What if they leave out blood magic sacrifice. Is that also going to be deemed unimportant to the story? Even though we KNOW that place thrives on it. How about slaves? For all we know, the resources not going to the brothels are going to better showing the concepts of human sacrifice and slavery that exists in Tevinter. This whole denouncing Bioware for not having brothels thus is evidence the game won't have dark stuff in it is premature. I'm not denouncing Bioware. They remain my most favourite game dev. But leaving out certain things which twenty first century folk might not want to see, is BAD. These games and books and comics are based on the dark side. And at the moment, that's exactly what they appear to be doing: leaving out what certain groups don't want to see. It's sad.....very sad.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 2, 2017 5:39:33 GMT
For all we know, the resources not going to the brothels are going to better showing the concepts of human sacrifice and slavery that exists in Tevinter. This whole denouncing Bioware for not having brothels thus is evidence the game won't have dark stuff in it is premature. I'm not denouncing Bioware. They remain my most favourite game dev. But leaving out certain things which twenty first century folk might not want to see, is BAD. These games and books and comics are based on the dark side. And at the moment, that's exactly what they appear to be doing: leaving out what certain groups don't want to see. It's sad.....very sad. This is profoundly silly. Every bit of content in a game is in competition with some other bit of content which won't make it into the game. It isn't enough to say that people want brothels; the brothel has to be more important than something else. What would you have cut from DAI to shoehorn a brothel into Val Royeaux?
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 2, 2017 6:35:49 GMT
I stand right on the line: I support the elimination of brothels while bemoaning the softening of Dragon Age.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 2, 2017 6:35:55 GMT
I like to believe that Tyrion staged the prostitutes giving back the money and pretended to be surprised. That Littlefinger owed Tyrion and Tyrion was paying that debt forward, so he never needed to leave the bag of coins. I don't know if that was what D&D or the screenwriters intended, but I'm going to go with it. I dunno, that might cut a little too close to home, considering the story Tyrion told about how he met his first wife under (supposedly) similar circumstances. (In the books, it's revealed that Tyrion's first wife wasn't actually a prostitute paid by Jaime to be saved from a staged rape. He really did save her and she had genuinely fell in love with him. Jaime was forced to lie about it though by Tywin, because he refused to let Tyrion be married to a mere commoner. In the show however, Jaime has still not revealed the truth to him as of the current season)
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Post by thats1evildude on Nov 2, 2017 6:39:41 GMT
I like to believe that Tyrion staged the prostitutes giving back the money and pretended to be surprised. That Littlefinger owed Tyrion and Tyrion was paying that debt forward, so he never needed to leave the bag of coins. I don't know if that was what D&D or the screenwriters intended, but I'm going to go with it. I dunno, that might cut a little too close to home, considering the story Tyrion told about how he met his first wife under (supposedly) similar circumstances. (In the books, it's revealed that Tyrion's first wife wasn't actually a prostitute paid by Jaime to be saved from a staged rape. He really did save her and she had genuinely fell in love with him. Jaime was forced to lie about it though by Tywin, because he refused to let Tyrion be married to a mere commoner. In the show however, Jaime has still not revealed the truth to him as of the current season) That seems unlikely, given that she “fell in love with him” after he saved her from rapists. As Shae said, no girl ever saved from rape would immediately jump in the sack with her rescuer. I mean, outside of Ride to Hell: Retribution.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 2, 2017 6:45:44 GMT
That seems unlikely, given that she “fell in love with him” after he saved her from rapists. As Shae said, no girl ever saved from rape would immediately jump in the sack with her rescuer. I mean, outside of Ride to Hell: Retribution. True, but Shae says a lot of things... most of it not worth a fart in a midden.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 2, 2017 7:29:33 GMT
Why not? I want to make money by giving women pleasure. It's a lifetime dream come true. I don’t think you have a good grasp of the mechanics of prostitution. You see, you pay them money for pleasuring you, not the other way around. Why not both? It's twice the fun!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 2, 2017 7:32:50 GMT
I don’t think you have a good grasp of the mechanics of prostitution. You see, you pay them money for pleasuring you, not the other way around. Why not both? It's twice the fun! Because they are doing it to make money, so giving money away is counterproductive to their goal.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 2, 2017 8:04:52 GMT
If you're referencing what I think you are, the prostitutes didn't technically pay Podrick; they just let him keep his money. I'm not even sure sex was involved. Maybe he just talked to the girls about their parents, like Cole did. You're thinking of the right one. I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that he had sex with them. It made little sense that the prostitutes would refuse payment. I could buy it in a comedy series but in Game of Thrones? No, that's honestly just stupid and is out of place in a universe like it. This is especially since the brothel's *owned by Littlefinger who had an entire speech in the show about what he did to his "investments" that didn't pay off. Note: There's a scene with Ros that confirms, as far as I can remember, that Pod went to Littlefinger's brothel. I think all of you are reading too much into the scene. It was meant to be a humorous, light-hearted bit. Here you have two sexually experienced men (Bronn and Tyrion) who learn that their young, virginal friend is supposedly so good that the prostitutes don't accept his payment. They're awed and want to know what he did that was apparently so magical. Because the character Pod is actually a nice guy, the whole scene is supposed to be cute and the audience is supposed to root for him. Then we go back to all the other horrible* shit on the show. That's all there is to it. * By horrible I mean the violence, rape, political backstabbing, etc etc.
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Post by wickedcool on Nov 2, 2017 14:00:02 GMT
The cost resources excuse is bs. We are talking time and a small amount of programming W3 has them and skyrim can have them with mods.
My guess is ea or someone went to Darrah and said listen. We want to market da to a bigger audience.
Is it not plausable that having 1/2 naked demons/broodmothers/whores no longer is acceptable to corporate .is it also possible that some have left due to restrictions on creative freedom My guess is we will never see a warden type character in the da franchise or even many of the themes.
Is there any current ea games(last 3 years) that have brothels, rape, slavery etc?
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Post by shechinah on Nov 2, 2017 14:55:18 GMT
I think all of you are reading too much into the scene. It was meant to be a humorous, light-hearted bit. Here you have two sexually experienced men (Bronn and Tyrion) who learn that their young, virginal friend is supposedly so good that the prostitutes don't accept his payment. They're awed and want to know what he did that was apparently so magical. Because the character Pod is actually a nice guy, the whole scene is supposed to be cute and the audience is supposed to root for him. Then we go back to all the other horrible* shit on the show. That's all there is to it. * By horrible I mean the violence, rape, political backstabbing, etc etc. I can write this reply before I go back on hiatus. This bolded tidbit is my problem with the joke: I don't think it belongs in a setting like Westeros. The joke that Podrick is good at sex is fine but the joke that Podrick is so good at sex that prostitutes don't want his money takes it too far because it contradicts, for the lack of a better word, the setting. I've outlined above why but this is especially since the show itself invented an entire scene and speech to hammer home that prostitutes can't afford not to make money because bad things will happen to them.
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