"No Brothels to be in DA4" as per Mark Darrah Tweet.

BioWare is full of contradictions if you ask me.

Are you seriously comparing DA to Skyrim? Skyrim - where one can skip main quest and the two-decades (IRC) old and super-well known engine is specifically tailored for modding?

And W3 which has a single protagonist, so they can only animate the scene once, instead of 4 to 8 times in a row?

As someone who works in art profession I can only shake my head at such notion.

Also - strangely enough DAI is the only DA title in which we have explicit nudity in romance scenes or themes like BDSM.

No, it is not plausible. As midnight tea points out, DAI has more nudity than previous games in the series, not less.




What on earth is a "warden type character"?

Ah yes, I remember the scene with the sunscreen bottle in the band camp one. Why, just from watching it, I felt myself positively swelling with maturity.

I think that is a fair stance. While I am irked by the lack of brothels, what I am really concerned about is the larger picture and how this just plays into the narrative that Bioware is going soft, especially when you compare the type of tone/content that was in DAO and some of the decisions you were able to make with the Warden and Hawk and compare that to the IQ where you really couldn't be renegade. Then throw in MEA/Ryder which was an even "softer" version of the IQ and really had not true Renegade moments the same way Shepard, Hawke, and The Warden had. Hell, even the Spirit Monk (Protagonist) in Jade Empire had a fair share of Renegade moments.

So when you look at the glide path projectory, it is obvious that the tone has shifted to the more ligther side in recent Bioware games. Not to say that DAI and even MEA didn't have it's depressing and dark moments cause they both did and both Ryder and the IQ had opportunities to cross the line, but when you compare their limited opportunities to skirt/cross the line and compare that to the opportunities that Shepard, Warden, Spirt Monk, Revan, and Hawke all had, it is clearly obvious that Ryder/IQ are more tame. 

Again, I am not sure where this is coming from or why it is happening, but it is clearly happening and you would have to be in pure denial (or just being defiant) if you think that the IQ/Ryder were just as aggressive as previous Bioware protagonist.

So yeah, like myself and others have said a million times in this thread, the lack of brothels is just the tip of the iceberg that you see sticking out of the water that is about 20 feet tall. But if you look underneath the water, the iceberg stretches down for about 2 miles. People talk about the lack of Brothels as just Bioware prioritizing their resources, so I guess they figured that a slew of MMO style fetch quest were priority enough to put in the game. 


Also, I gave Bioware the benefit of the doubt because of the setting of the game, but if we are indeed going to Tevinter, which is not really a place full of high moral values, I just cannot see why they felt it wouldn't fit. Brothels/Prostitution is the "worlds oldest profession" and during the time that Dragon Ages takes place in (or represents) Brothels/Prostitution was a common thing, not some rarity and it was definitely included in societies where there wasn't a high emphasis on morals or human dignity. It is going to be interesting to see how Bioware handles Tevinter. Do they show it as how it has always been described (which I doubt) or will certain elements be retconned or hidden away from the player's view? Kind of like Having a game take place in Manhattan, NYC but only showing the nice places and not really exposing the player to some of the darker themes of NYC. 

But don't worry, games like Red Dead Redemption, The Last of Us 2, Detroit: Become Human, and Cyberpunk 2077 I am sure will all not be afraid to tackle certain issues/themes or offend anyone. 

I'm all for sleaze, but how did this get 53 pages?

Because literally millions of people agree that brothels are an integral part of the DA universe :3

They were there in DA2 and DAI as well.

There's an obvious problem with an argument that relies on only the two most recent data points. In 2012 someone could have claimed -- people did claim -- that Bio was obviously going full-on into grimdark, based on DA2 and ME3. How would this argument be different from the one you're proposing?

Or is "argument" the wrong concept? Are you just expressing fear?

So, we agree with one another basically?

Cassandra is a romantic there can be sweet moments in a dark fantasy.

 Blackwall's and Iron Bull's personal quests were pretty dark.