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Post by linksocarina on Nov 14, 2017 16:47:16 GMT
The issue is not about paywalls, in fact that issue is interchangeable because it can be about anything that is rightfully a problem. It's about the gaming community being embarrassing time and again over some sort of slight, and then moving onto the next outrage with the same behavior. I would hope we can do better. I guess I have the right to hope. Until and angry crowd of demonstrates wearing pink hats appears outside EA headquarters, I'm not going to get too worried over the community embarrassing itself The hats should be red, blue and green. That would be more of an inside joke.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 14, 2017 16:52:35 GMT
You still missed the point. I know. That's why I asked you the questions that you didn't answer. If you were to actually answer them, it might result in there being a point to be understood. The issue is not about paywalls Unless you're actually reading the same thread I am, in which case it is. It's about the gaming community being embarrassing time and again over some sort of slight, and then moving onto the next outrage with the same behavior. I would hope we can do better. And we're back to this. What behaviour are you talking about? Criticism? Are you saying all criticism should be outlawed or something? You used the phrase "over-sensitive" earlier to describe criticizing paywalls, but it feels like it would more accurately be used to describe equivocating criticism with harassment.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 14, 2017 16:56:58 GMT
For heaven's sake, shinobiwan just finished saying two people were psychopaths and you interpreted that to represent the whole town becoming psychopaths? Well, at least it provided a measure of insight into how you see the world. O.O That's an appeal to emotion to distract from the point of the argument. You also put words in my mouth again. Don't do that, that actually annoys me. "Quoting" is not "putting words in your mouth," but at this point I've accepted that there is little relationship between our conversation and... well, reality. I don't believe I have a graceful way out of it, so I'll just repeat: Have fun on your holy crusade, whatever exactly it is.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 14, 2017 16:58:08 GMT
You still missed the point. I know. That's why I asked you the questions that you didn't answer. If you were to actually answer them, it might result in there a point to be understood. The issue is not about paywalls Unless you're actually reading the same thread I am, in which case it is. It's about the gaming community being embarrassing time and again over some sort of slight, and then moving onto the next outrage with the same behavior. I would hope we can do better. And we're back to this. What behaviour are you talking about? Criticism? Are you saying all criticism should be outlawed or something? You used the phrase "over-sensitive" earlier to describe criticizing paywalls, but it feels like it would more accurately be used to describe equivocating criticism with harassment. Except i'm not talking about criticism. The criticism is fine and I have no issue with it. I'm talking about the actual harassment. Unless you are saying there is no harassment being perpetuated by your peers out there? I mean if you don't understand the difference between one and the other...this fight is already lost.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 14, 2017 16:58:53 GMT
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Post by shinobiwan on Nov 14, 2017 17:00:40 GMT
What in the fuck? So say a company is dumping toxic chemicals into a town, causing serious health problems to the residents. Two residents are deranged psychopaths and run off and murder someone in the company. The town puts them to trial and sentences them to life in prison. Nonetheless, by your logic, we can ignore the legitimate cries of the town and let the company continue to harm the residents because two of the residents did something bad? Up to seven people in the bf2 community (no clue if they came from Reddit) are deranged and deserve criminal sanctions. That in no way reflects on the community at large. They disavowed their actions and it's unrelated to the underlying problems in any event. Actually by my logic, the town would be able to get their point across with the toxic chemicals without becoming psychopaths. Plus the way you worded that is like saying the behavior of people threatening to kill folks over a video game is because the game company itself caused it to happen. that's almost victim blaming in a weird, perverted way. See, i'm glad they disavowed such actions, that's good. But here's the problem: they still are the face. They still get the headlines, the clickbaiting, and attention. It doesn't matter if it's one or one-hundred in that way. And while many condemn it, others are very blase about it for their own reasons which gives it more power. That is what I have a problem with. We should be more of a hive mind on that behavior and make it unrelated to the problems. But we shouldn't be afraid to call the spade what it is. These are people in our community, regardless of how we disavow them we need to own that to change that. Please reread my earlier post more carefully.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 14, 2017 17:02:01 GMT
Wait, isn't that exactly what you want? To separate the "bad actors" from the rest of the community with legitimate grievances? The trolls are the minority, the loudmouths who take things too far. They are not the gaming community as a whole. All terriers are dogs, but not all dogs are terriers. I want us to own the fact that a lot of people in our community suck, so to speak. When we do that, we can then work at making it better I feel. Unfortunately, the more I see the less I believe it's a minority now a days. At least when it comes to most online interactions as of late. I want to be proven wrong, but most of the time I just don't see it. And what would such public self-flagellation accomplish, besides distracting from the legitimate grievances of the customers? Yes, there's *ssholes on the Internet. In other news: water is wet and the sky is blue. Why do you want to punish all for the actions of a few? If someone takes things too far, prosecute them.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 14, 2017 17:04:54 GMT
Until and angry crowd of demonstrates wearing pink hats appears outside EA headquarters, I'm not going to get too worried over the community embarrassing itself The hats should be red, blue and green. That would be more of an inside joke. Maybe. But again, it's a stretch to call purely online activity a "riot" People are angry, and complaining. And EA seems to be rather passive aggressive about the whole thing, which isn't helping. But so far it's all just been talk, as far as I know.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 14, 2017 17:14:55 GMT
Actually by my logic, the town would be able to get their point across with the toxic chemicals without becoming psychopaths. Plus the way you worded that is like saying the behavior of people threatening to kill folks over a video game is because the game company itself caused it to happen. that's almost victim blaming in a weird, perverted way. See, i'm glad they disavowed such actions, that's good. But here's the problem: they still are the face. They still get the headlines, the clickbaiting, and attention. It doesn't matter if it's one or one-hundred in that way. And while many condemn it, others are very blase about it for their own reasons which gives it more power. That is what I have a problem with. We should be more of a hive mind on that behavior and make it unrelated to the problems. But we shouldn't be afraid to call the spade what it is. These are people in our community, regardless of how we disavow them we need to own that to change that. Please reread my earlier post more carefully. I read it fine the first few times I believe. The comparison made is a logical fallacy regardless of how it's worded. The ultimate point i'm making seems to be lost because of a presumption that criticism is conflated as harassment by some; the issue is that most of the community often refuses to own up to the fact that some people are just assholes and need to taken to task, instead they follow the mob because of belief, or camaraderie, or simply because they can or because they are view themselves as separate from the rest of the communities actions. It is a critique that the harassment is often allowed because of valid criticisms surrounding the whole situation. I fundamentally disagree with that idea. Our community sucks most of the time not because of 14 year olds acting like assholes, but because of 30 year olds acting like 14 year olds. We need to make it better because the companies are not going to do it for us, since they don't really case, as Laughing Man pointed out in another thread. As you pointed out, i'm glad that people are criticising them, but we need to own this sort of rotten outrage culture and change it further. Maybe it is too emotional or idealistic on my end, but hey, what's the harm in hoping for something better?
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 14, 2017 17:15:27 GMT
The hats should be red, blue and green. That would be more of an inside joke. Maybe. But again, it's a stretch to call purely online activity a "riot" People are angry, and complaining. And EA seems to be rather passive aggressive about the whole thing, which isn't helping. But so far it's all just been talk, as far as I know. I was trying to make a joke to alleviate tension. I am clearly not funny enough. Or maybe I need smiley faces to sell it.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 14, 2017 17:21:16 GMT
I want us to own the fact that a lot of people in our community suck, so to speak. When we do that, we can then work at making it better I feel. Unfortunately, the more I see the less I believe it's a minority now a days. At least when it comes to most online interactions as of late. I want to be proven wrong, but most of the time I just don't see it. And what would such public self-flagellation accomplish, besides distracting from the legitimate grievances of the customers? Yes, there's *ssholes on the Internet. In other news: water is wet and the sky is blue. Why do you want to punish all for the actions of a few? If someone takes things too far, prosecute them. It's not punishing us all for the actions of a few. It's all of us punishing the actions of a few. The second is a lot harder, but the good it can do is actually change perceptions of the community by and large. Like how fans of heavy metal were seen as degenerates and satanists in the 80s and stuff, but now they are just a legitimate subculture without the sort of ridiculous outrage baggage that comes with it.They pushed back at the silly behavior and focused more on building the community and the like. As a metal fan it's actually pretty good, and it's great to see that sort of openness regardless of belief or ideology. I feel like gaming has such a long way to go to that. We have legit grievances but they are never addressed properly because of the assholes. And it just breeds content. Like I said, I feel like we can control that as a community and do a lot better. But we need to acknowledge that the problem is ourselves at times.
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Post by CHRrOME on Nov 14, 2017 17:33:26 GMT
So apparently the campaign is cliché, predictable and short. Who would have thought. Not that I care about the story being honest. Obviously I've seen streams and all that shit, game looks really fun, however you just can't help but notice the artificially implemented loot boxes so EA can get more money$, fuck that. Also card system, not liking it. Without that crap I think the game would be a really enjoyable experience.
2 things I cannot stand, those crates and the card system. They're kind of game breaking for me. We'll see if EA does something more to mitigate this, otherwise I'm gonna look for something else, as much as I love Starfighter assault.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 14, 2017 17:35:31 GMT
I read it fine the first few times I believe. The comparison made is a logical fallacy regardless of how it's worded. The ultimate point i'm making seems to be lost because of a presumption that criticism is conflated as harassment by some; the issue is that most of the community often refuses to own up to the fact that some people are just assholes and need to taken to task, instead they follow the mob because of belief, or camaraderie, or simply because they can or because they are view themselves as separate from the rest of the communities actions. It is a critique that the harassment is often allowed because of valid criticisms surrounding the whole situation. I fundamentally disagree with that idea. Our community sucks most of the time not because of 14 year olds acting like assholes, but because of 30 year olds acting like 14 year olds. We need to make it better because the companies are not going to do it for us, since they don't really case, as Laughing Man pointed out in another thread. As you pointed out, i'm glad that people are criticising them, but we need to own this sort of rotten outrage culture and change it further. Maybe it is too emotional or idealistic on my end, but hey, what's the harm in hoping for something better? Honestly, I disagree with the concept you refer to as the "gaming community".
As I said many times before, it's no more than an amorphous blob of humanity that shares a hobby. Said blob agrees on very little even inside the context of said hobby.
But if you want to look for reasons for why people are so cynical? You need to go back some ways. I'd say that screeching ideologues like Sarkeesian, various "gamers are dead" articles, and gaming Journalists acting like corporate advocates rather than consumer advocates did a lot to poison the discussion.
I'm sure that there are other issues that contributed, but I'd point to the above (among others) as important pressure points.
We really do need some real intellectual criticism of the hobby to change that a bit. Historical and sociological approaches to the community and the games by and large over just focusing on corporations or crackpots or entertainers. That well was poisoned long before the perception of corporate advocates and enthusiast press permeating what the community wants to hear. I know you disagree with the concept of what the gaming community is, but until it begins to change this will always be a circular debate. Why not try aim for change to end it?
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Post by CHRrOME on Nov 14, 2017 17:42:45 GMT
It looks like a trend, the microtransactions and loot boxes. EA is starting to push that in all their games. I was watching AJ stream yesterday, they tried the new Need for Speed. It has a fucking card+loot box system, what do cards had to do with a racing game? that's what I'd like to know. There're 2.99 to 59.99 packs of some bullshit. So hypothetically, I pay 60 bucks up front and then you kindly ask of me to spend another 60? I know that's optional, but dude! chill the fuck down with the shakedowns! It's not like the games are bad at their core, but this fucking system just ruins it every time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 17:46:52 GMT
Most predictable thing that has ever happened in any story ever? Yep. They took a genuinely interesting premise, brought it out to the back of the shed, and shot it. God forbid we ever get any perspective other than "the Empire/First Order are the evil bad guys with no redeeming qualities and the Rebellion/Resistance are the infallible heroes" lots of story spoilers It's done in the dumbest, most Stupid Evil manner possible, as well. Basically the Empire start to glass its own worlds and citizens by the billions for no discernible reason whatsoever. Iden and one of her squad turns when they order her to help do it to her own home planet (which is a loyal Imperial world with several military academies that seemingly does nothing wrong).
The plot at this point becomes so asinine and ridiculous to justify her defecting that it honestly makes me wonder how it was approved.
Operation: Cinder is among the most illogical plot devices I've seen. Picture the Nazis, who just lost at Stalingrad, deciding that there is but one way to break the will of the enemy, to make them lose hope. And that plan is... to bomb their own cities! That's right, to attack their own territory and people, because nothing strikes fear into the hearts of your enemies like destroying your own industry and killing all of your own citizens for them!
The justification by the Imperials is some cackling mad "hue we will make the Galaxy fear us again" nonsense, but why in the hell would the Rebellion be afraid of the Empire attacking their own planets? In fact, wouldn't they be shrugging at their good fortune of the Empire tearing itself apart for them, since the Emperor apparently went from cunning mastermind to For the Evuls moustache twirler between the films? Oh yea, they ruined Palpatine too, as the whole plan is essentially his, a contingency he orders to be used upon his death.
This is our impetus for Iden Versio, a hardcore Imperial loyalist, defecting to the Rebellion, and of course it makes sense in that light. The Empire is killing its own citizens for no good reason, of course any sane person would defect. But the written excuse for why this is happening, leading to her defection and the most overused plotline in all of Star Wars, is so absolutely predictable that it just becomes exactly that: an excuse. An excuse to have the main character join the 'heroes'.
Albiet, Iden and the other defector aren't written brilliantly either. For the first half of the game they basically talk about the Rebels like they're ISIS terrorists and gloat while slaughtering them by the hundreds, but after they defect there's no introspection. No moment of "hey, these men and women are just following their orders like I used to", or "damn them for forcing me to do this" when mowing through a bunch of Stormtroopers. It's kinda similar to Finn in that regard, except IMO worse because Iden & Co. are previously portrayed as dyed in wool Imperials, who suddenly are able to flip a switch and become exactly the thing they were programmed to hate and have been fighting to destroy for their entire lives, whereas Finn was a bit off from the beginning and defected on his first mission.
The antagonist is predictable too, he's a member of Inferno Squad who doesn't defect, gets promoted into Iden's previous rank and becomes "Imperial bad gai #6,754,988"
It's all pretty schlocky, even by SW standards.
The actual gameplay of the campaign was fun, if a bit easy and short. It's a beautiful game so the setpieces were excellent, and there were some important tie ins between Jedi and TFA. As for MP, the pay2win/grind complaints are pretty overblown IMO, as the grind doesn't actually take long to unlock stuff compared to even other similar shooters (say Battlefield), and the "benefit" of the MT model is that the community won't be split by paid DLC map packs (some of which are deserted a few months after release, potentially wasting good maps and content). I'm not spending anything because everything can be unlocked simply by playing the game. Everyone does get the same rewards for completing a match, and reward amount is determined by how long the match was. Honestly it doesn't bother me, though it might if I start seeing too many lazy AFKs taking up player slots (the solution is to allow votekicking or issuing bans to those players) and ruining the game for others Loot boxes are a transparent scheme to goad people into paying their way round the grind (greedy corporation trying to maximize profit, surprise), but it's preferable to be able to grind for everything available in the game rather than having content hard-locked behind a paywall IMO. If they're going to fleece people regardless (and they are) I'd prefer this way to the first EA Battlefront's model.
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Post by poultrymancer on Nov 14, 2017 17:50:20 GMT
Can you try some more? I was planning to continue checking in periodically throughout the afternoon to pass the time. I mean, I guess I can tag in if you're spent, but I enjoy the rare occasion when someone makes the exact points I would so I can just relax and read instead of doing all the wordsing.
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Post by Ocelot on Nov 14, 2017 17:55:25 GMT
EA disabled the Refund button. I cannot help but love the entire meltdown around this game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 17:57:35 GMT
Its nice to get some actual feedback, thanks everybody.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 14, 2017 18:03:30 GMT
Can you try some more? I was planning to continue checking in periodically throughout the afternoon to pass the time. I mean, I guess I can tag in if you're spent, but I enjoy the rare occasion when someone makes the exact points I would so I can just relax and read instead of doing all the wordsing. I have a principle about this kind of situation - once things get circular and repetitive, it starts to seem like I have nothing left to say except what feels like mocking. At that point, I stop and back out, especially if the person isn't actually attacking anyone or being mean-spirited.
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Post by Ocelot on Nov 14, 2017 18:09:43 GMT
EA disabled the Refund button.
Gee. I wonder why...
And I bet that they are entirely entitled to do so according to their TOS/EULA... After all, nobody reads the small script ever.
That is sure to foster additional trust in EA's business practices.
Actually, what they just did is illegal in the EU. So I'm curious to see whats going to happen now.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 14, 2017 18:12:44 GMT
Damn, I think that has to take the cake for the dumbest SW related story bit ever. And that includes the saber-copters from "Rebels"... Eh there’s worse.
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Post by shinobiwan on Nov 14, 2017 18:27:07 GMT
Please reread my earlier post more carefully. I read it fine the first few times I believe. The comparison made is a logical fallacy regardless of how it's worded. The ultimate point i'm making seems to be lost because of a presumption that criticism is conflated as harassment by some; the issue is that most of the community often refuses to own up to the fact that some people are just assholes and need to taken to task, instead they follow the mob because of belief, or camaraderie, or simply because they can or because they are view themselves as separate from the rest of the communities actions. It is a critique that the harassment is often allowed because of valid criticisms surrounding the whole situation. I fundamentally disagree with that idea. Our community sucks most of the time not because of 14 year olds acting like assholes, but because of 30 year olds acting like 14 year olds. We need to make it better because the companies are not going to do it for us, since they don't really case, as Laughing Man pointed out in another thread. As you pointed out, i'm glad that people are criticising them, but we need to own this sort of rotten outrage culture and change it further. Maybe it is too emotional or idealistic on my end, but hey, what's the harm in hoping for something better? Your posts reflect a misunderstand of the situation laid out in mine. I gave you a fair opportunity to revisit and reply in a way that's actually responsive. It's on you now.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 14, 2017 18:30:27 GMT
Can you try some more? I was planning to continue checking in periodically throughout the afternoon to pass the time. I mean, I guess I can tag in if you're spent, but I enjoy the rare occasion when someone makes the exact points I would so I can just relax and read instead of doing all the wordsing. I have a principle about this kind of situation - once things get circular and repetitive, it starts to seem like I have nothing left to say except what feels like mocking. At that point, I stop and back out, especially if the person isn't actually attacking anyone or being mean-spirited. I appreciate the recognition of the last point at least. But I must admit, if we're entering this discussion to try and change minds, that was likely never going to happen anyway. Hell, im discussing the same argument with five different people here alone, it's clearly a minority positon and no one's going to budge on it now, at the very least. Now it's more about hearing the arguments and going through a socratic process. Although now I am at work so I have to wait before I can reply to everyone again.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 14, 2017 18:44:41 GMT
And it just keeps on comin'... Daniel Hardcastle @dannerdcubedEA cut the cost of Star Wars heroes by 75%. They failed to mention that, according to GameInformer, they've also cut rewards by 75%. "..completing the campaign earned players a unique loot crate that contained 20k credits. That reward is now 5k credits"
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Post by Vortex13 on Nov 14, 2017 18:48:46 GMT
And it just keeps on comin'... Daniel Hardcastle @dannerdcubedEA cut the cost of Star Wars heroes by 75%. They failed to mention that, according to GameInformer, they've also cut rewards by 75%. "..completing the campaign earned players a unique loot crate that contained 20k credits. That reward is now 5k credits" Damn EA, that's some impressive corporate level passive aggressiveness right there.
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