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Post by spocky on Oct 8, 2017 6:46:05 GMT
EA/Bioware can keep their new IP that's helped destroy the mass effect franchise. Not that I don't love a "loot 'n shoot" multiplayer experience, but I feel like there's no way I could possibly hand bioware anymore of my hard earned money after the release of MEA and everything post release. They completely lied to us all the way until release to finagle their way into your wallet, and the one chance they have to redeem themselves, they don't, because it's the most cost efficient way to cover up their shadiness. There were a million ways to still give us a meaningful experience in the andromeda galaxy, the lost ark, new squad mates, new planets, more weapons and weapon mods, etc. instead of picking anyone out of the plethora of ways to improve or change the game, they gave us nothing. They seemed to be happy the Internet criticized and made fun of the game, made it easier to be done with. If they would cheat you time and time again, baiting you with the things you love to trick you out of your money, do they desearve another chance?? Even if it's not a cheat this time, I want no parts of it. They can keep their destiny clone, maybe they should've saved some of that innovation for a series that mattered. When Mass Effect Andromeda gets support, then maybe I'll support bioware again..
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Post by spocky on Oct 8, 2017 6:48:35 GMT
Am I the only one who feels cheated with nothing to show for in return?? Do you feel the same? Or am I being too hard on them?
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Post by Sondergaard on Oct 8, 2017 7:02:51 GMT
Am I the only one who feels cheated with nothing to show for in return?? Do you feel the same? Or am I being too hard on them? You're not being too hard on them but I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face. I doubt I'll pick up Anthem because, based on what's been released, it's not my thing. But Dragon Age 4 is another matter. Now, if they fuck that up, I'll probably be where you are now. Through their own laughable incompetence they've managed to kill one of the best loved franchises around. If they do that with DA then any reason I have to support BioWare is gone.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 8, 2017 7:43:08 GMT
I've made the title 'Mass Effect thread' specific to validate discussion here, rather than moving it to the Anthem forum. To keep it 'on-topic' I suggest we keep this discussion focused on the relationship with Mass Effect and the perception of Anthem among Mass Effect players. General Anthem discussions may be had here: bsn.boards.net/board/38/anthem-general-discussion
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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 8, 2017 9:13:54 GMT
Anthem being made has nothing to do with MEA. That's not how video game production works (cue gif). No Anthem, then something else would've been made by that team. That team would have not been on MEA instead. Lack of DLC has nothing to do with Anthem. If anything, it's more likely MEA's troubled production siphoned resources from other teams.
TL;DR: The take it out on Anthem meme is old and dumb and arbitrary
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 8, 2017 9:24:40 GMT
If Anthem is a good game that I would enjoy playing, especially with my friends here, then I'll certainly buy it. I'm a selfish bastard, I like playing good games.
I doubt that Anthem is to blame for the end of MEA support and lack of DLC. I believe that the causalities are reversed here: MEA failed as a project (not necessarily as a game!) because so much time and resources went to waste during its development, and EA preferred to invest in a fresh property instead of a somewhat damaged one after that.
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Post by isaidlunch on Oct 8, 2017 13:02:53 GMT
Absolutely not, their multiplayer track record is terrible. SWTOR is the biggest offender but I'm not happy with how they handled MEA MP either.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Oct 8, 2017 13:18:19 GMT
No, not really.
Sad as it may be I'm not overly butthurt over how Bioware treated Andromeda, its simply that I'm not interested in most online shooter games because they always manage to bore me to death. Judging by the screenshots and the trailer of Anthem it looks like this game was cobbled together from bits and pieces from Titanfall, Far Cry 3 and Zero Dawn Horizon with the usual coop-mutiplayer gameplay. Well, bravo. *shrugs*
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Post by abaris on Oct 8, 2017 13:48:17 GMT
You're not being too hard on them but I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face. I doubt I'll pick up Anthem because, based on what's been released, it's not my thing. But Dragon Age 4 is another matter. Agreed, Anthem's not my type of thing. I don't consider buying it. And as far as DA4 is concerned, I make an educated guess once it leaves the rumor stages and they're actually confirming it's in production.
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Post by urkibalurki on Oct 8, 2017 14:02:37 GMT
Not interested in any multiplayer online.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 14:07:04 GMT
I agree with Sondergaard. I have always liked BioWare for their ability to tell a good story. With Andromeda reneging on that promise in spectacular fashion, and Anthem being the kind of game it seems to be, BioWare can keep promising it has a story and it can totally be played as a single player experience all they want. I don't really believe them at this point. The idea of handing them more of my money for Anthem, which I would totally have done had Andromeda not been such a disaster, hurts just to think about. Dragon Age 4 is BioWare's last shot at redemption. If they fuck that up as well, then we can safely assume they're the latest addition to the developer mass grave in EA's backyard. At least it'll be, "an end, once and for all."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 14:21:36 GMT
It depends on if I ever get a good enough internet connection that I can attempt multiplayer games. The game itself is intriguing. I'm not going to be convinced to try to hold it hostage because of any ill feelings over the Mass Effect franchise. They are two separate things.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 8, 2017 14:35:52 GMT
At this time I'm not interested. That might change once more information and gameplay is released
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Oct 8, 2017 14:37:46 GMT
I am on the fence. I am not into games with a strong multiplayer emphasis and I am bitter about MEA not getting more support.
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 8, 2017 14:47:32 GMT
Even if I want to play, I won't buy it. I'll pirate it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 15:01:52 GMT
Am I the only one who feels cheated with nothing to show for in return?? Do you feel the same? Or am I being too hard on them? I doubt you are the only one... but that doesn't mean that they aren't over-reacting, just as you are, IMO. I feel very much that I do have something to show for my purchase of ME:A... I've enjoyed multiple playthroughs of the game so far and there is still a lot within the game that I haven't sampled/unlocked yet. The combat, in particular, has been very, very fun for me. Also, it still has absolutely nothing to do with Anthem. Regardless of whether or not you liked ME:A, there is absolutely no point to trying to force the company into making a better ME game (let alone a very particular ME game - which is really what has been going on here) by trying to force a connection between Anthem and how ME:A turned out. I really wish the fan base would get it through their heads that they are not running the company and have no place trying to run the company. The decision to make Anthem is clearly an effort to improve the company's diversification as a means of securing the company's overall bottom line... sustained profitability in case one genre (SP RPGs) loses overall popularity to another (Multiplayer MMO's). Not a bad thing for a company to do if it wants to stay in business over the long term and survive various ebbs and flows in genre popularity.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Oct 8, 2017 15:05:09 GMT
Even if I want to play, I won't buy it. I'll pirate it. Not something to brag about.
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Oct 8, 2017 15:06:30 GMT
No, but just becauseI'm not interested in Anthem. Not to do with MEA.
Make no mistake, I'm as salty as the next guy, but boycotting Anthem will not send the message of "we want moar Mass Effect". At most, it will say "we don't want Anthem". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 8, 2017 15:45:30 GMT
Even if I want to play, I won't buy it. I'll pirate it. Not something to brag about. I don't give a damn if people misunderstands piracy. And EA doesn't deserve a penny. Pirating them is legitimate defense
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 8, 2017 15:47:02 GMT
Bioware Edmonton hasn't disappointed me yet, so there's no reason why I should hate them. I'm at least somewhat curious about Anthem.
Their Montreal studio was a failed experiment. Doesn't really matter now who's to blame. MEA was a mediocre spin-off. I don't care if they continue it. Shepard's story has been told. And I'm ok with the idea that Mass Effect ended with Shepard. I'll just ignore MEA was ever made by a different studio.
What matters to me is what happens to Dragon Age. THAT franchise isn't finished yet and I expect them to deliver a satisfying conclusion.
Whether Anthem is good or bad or to my liking is irrelevant to me. I cared about the Milky Way and I care about the fate of Thedas. As long as they don't give their other beloved franchise to a rookie studio, Bioware can do whatever they want in the meantime.
I AM disappointed the new IP turned out to be an online multiplayer. I was horrified how MEA turned out. However, that doesn't mean they won't produce another great RPG ever again. DA4 is the game that will tell if Bioware as a whole is "dead". MEA only told me that Montreal was not up to the task for whatever reason.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Oct 8, 2017 15:52:13 GMT
Not something to brag about. I don't give a damn if people misunderstands piracy. And EA doesn't deserve a penny. Pirating them is legitimate defense Defense from what? They make video games they don't kick puppies. Also theft is theft no matter how you slice it.
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 8, 2017 15:59:17 GMT
I don't give a damn if people misunderstands piracy. And EA doesn't deserve a penny. Pirating them is legitimate defense Defense from what? They make video games they don't kick puppies. Also theft is theft no matter how you slice it. "mimimi" theft. Go read, seriously.
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Post by abaris on Oct 8, 2017 16:01:52 GMT
I'm not going to be convinced to try to hold it hostage because of any ill feelings over the Mass Effect franchise. They are two separate things. S'got nothing to do with the Mass Effect franchise but everything with it's multiplayer focus. I'm not into playing with randoms and I got no friends being into MP.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 16:06:14 GMT
Bioware Edmonton hasn't disappointed me yet, so there's no reason why I should hate them. I'm at least somewhat curious about Anthem. Their Montreal studio was a failed experiment. Doesn't really matter now who's to blame. MEA was a mediocre spin-off. I don't care if they continue it. Shepard's story has been told. And I'm ok with the idea that Mass Effect ended with Shepard. I'll just ignore MEA was ever made by a different studio. What matters to me is what happens to Dragon Age. THAT franchise isn't finished yet and I expect them to deliver a satisfying conclusion. Whether Anthem is good or bad or to my liking is irrelevant to me. I cared about the Milky Way and I care about the fate of Thedas. As long as they don't give their other beloved franchise to a rookie studio, Bioware can do whatever they want in the meantime. I AM disappointed the new IP turned out to be an online multiplayer. I was horrified how MEA turned out. However, that doesn't mean they won't produce another great RPG ever again. DA4 is the game that will tell if Bioware as a whole is "dead". MEA only told me that Montreal was not up to the task for whatever reason. The pre-release "hate-train" against facets of DA4 has already started. My prediction is the unbased criticisms of it will all but kill a lot of potential for it long before it's released much in the same way ME:A was effectively killed based merely on the premise of leaving the Milky Way long before any of the details of the story or who was writing it or anything else about it was knowable. ME:A was set up in such a way that it would have had to been absolutely perfect to overcome all that pre-release negativity. If the fan base follows the same path with DA4... setting it up such that it will have to be perfect to be even remotely satisfying... then the odds of it also failing to impress are significantly increased. I keep hoping the fans will refrain from setting things up that way... but I'm not optimistic based on what I'm already seeing on that forum. People are so adament about being negative so they won't be disappointed that they set themselves up to be disappointed long beforehand... and the disappointment becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy... the bar set so high that Bioware can't help but not overcome it... and knowing that they are unlikely to overcome it only discourages them and ultimately kills their creativity as well. Of course, we'll just have to wait to see what happens... but that's my prediction right now.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Oct 8, 2017 16:14:07 GMT
If it reviews well, there's a chance. I don't see why not then. This doesn't look as messed up as MEA's entire life.
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