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Post by hero11n7 on Oct 10, 2017 19:57:07 GMT
How will the inquisition be involved and how will we be connected to them?
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I think our group will be akin to a covert black ops unit. Little to no direct connection to the main organization, and plausible deniability if we're caught. Harding and/or Charter will function as our handler(s), pointing us to people and places of interest. Freedom to do as we see fit to accomplish our goals. Allows us to use more unsavory methods (i.e. Make "Evil" choices).
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 10, 2017 20:19:41 GMT
While I'm sure the "Shadow" Inquisition will be involved, offering support in some capacity, I have a feeling we won't actually be an arm of it ourselves. Just to put some distance between this and the previous game.
That said, I think the NPC support we do get from the Inquisition will have an agenda. And their goal will be to carry out our end-game choice in Trespasser (to save or kill Solas). Now, whether our new PC will agree with that agenda themselves...
Like you, I also expect to see Harding (Mike Laidlaw's choice), most likely as a companion. Dorian in some capacity almost certainly. Charter... hopefully. Possibly Calpernia as well, as she's a favorite of the writing staff.
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Post by rahavan on Oct 10, 2017 21:04:43 GMT
Well I heard a rumor that Cullen was working with Templars (presumably tevintier's) and was building them up to do something. It makes sense if you want to fight an ancient elven mage templars would be a good ally and the tevintier ones are a complete unknown to Solas.
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 10, 2017 21:30:33 GMT
Well I heard a rumor that Cullen was working with Templars (presumably tevintier's) and was building them up to do something. It makes sense if you want to fight an ancient elven mage templars would be a good ally and the tevintier ones are a complete unknown to Solas. Unfortunately as Cullen is "quantum" (he could be in a good place, or a lyrium-addled begger and possibly dead), it's extremely unlikely that'll happen.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 10, 2017 21:48:42 GMT
Wild speculation: Charter and/or Harding will be our Inquisition contacts, supplying us with information, quests, and maybe letters from the Inquisitor to read (like the letter from the Hero of Ferelden in DAI). Dorian will be an important NPC, but no longer with the Inquisition. Iron Bull, if alive, will make a cameo. Hrungr: remember though, Cullen could end up a wandering madman/serial killer at the end of DAO
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 10, 2017 22:05:53 GMT
Calpernia will mention the Inquisitor if she met them, and we'll probably see Harding and Dorian. Those are my only real predictions for how the Inquisition will be involved. I'd be fine with an Inquisitor cameo and I'm sure we'll read a very vague codex entry about Divine Victoria.
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 10, 2017 22:25:05 GMT
Wild speculation: Charter and/or Harding will be our Inquisition contacts, supplying us with information, quests, and maybe letters from the Inquisitor to read (like the letter from the Hero of Ferelden in DAI). Dorian will be an important NPC, but no longer with the Inquisition. Iron Bull, if alive, will make a cameo. Hrungr : remember though, Cullen could end up a wandering madman/serial killer at the end of DAO That's why it's only "extremely unlikely". I think they just had no idea how popular he'd become in DAO. It was basically fan demand that convinced BW to bring him into DA2. But if they had intended Cullen to continue on in DA4 in that capacity, I'm sure they wouldn't have included had such negative world states for him.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 11, 2017 0:05:46 GMT
I'm pretty sure the Inquistion will play a prominent role in DA4.
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Post by Superhik on Oct 11, 2017 1:05:00 GMT
Surely the Inquisitor/ess will give us a hand in the next game.
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 12, 2017 14:08:14 GMT
I would love for the Hero of Ferelden to make an appearance (if alive), just as Hawke
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Post by formerfiend on Oct 12, 2017 14:35:00 GMT
How involved with they be? Very, most likely.
How involved would I like them to be? Not at all. I hate the Inquisition as an organization.
I would personally like there to be an option early on in the game where the Inquisition approaches the PC and makes them an offer to join, and for the game to allow us to tell them to fuck off and handle the whole situation without their help, even working against them as they keep getting in our way.
That probably won't happen.
I sincerely hope that regardless of how involved they are in DA4, Bioware will have gotten them out of their system and we'll be able to move on entirely unaffiliated from them come DA5.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 12, 2017 14:36:31 GMT
How will the inquisition be involved and how will we be connected to them? Share your thoughts I think our group will be akin to a covert black ops unit. Little to no direct connection to the main organization, and plausible deniability if we're caught. Harding and/or Charter will function as our handler(s), pointing us to people and places of interest. Freedom to do as we see fit to accomplish our goals. Allows us to use more unsavory methods (i.e. Make "Evil" choices). Hopefully we won't have any forced connection to them. If they are involved it's a peripheral involvement , where they offer optional assistance. I really don't want that annoying dwarf Harding involved, though i expect she will be. Just please don't make her a handler & ideally let me feed her to a dragon.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 12, 2017 14:38:30 GMT
If the comic series is anything to go by then the Inquisition does now seem to be using outsiders to do their dirty work for them, blackmailing them if necessary to get them to co-operate. This is fine if that was the way you liked to do things but I would object if that was the line they took in the actual game. Plus there seemed no point in disbanding the organisation if it is still going to be run as a major player in northern Thedas.
So I rather think it will be more a case of being offered optional side-quests initially by the organisation and then possibly something specific to the main quest later via either Harding, Charter (I hope not) or Dorian. The latter makes most sense as our contact in Tevinter with the old PC, except in the case of those who parted on bad terms, which is where the other two come in as it would make no difference with them.
However, there is the possibility that the Inquisitor will become a sort of TIM figure like in ME2. In which case it might turn out you are forced to work with them whether the new PC wants to or not simply because there are "bigger issues at stake" and you are needed to investigate matters that other people do not think important enough to warrant their attention. There were hints in the epilogue to Trespasser that not everyone believes the Inquisitor's story about Fen'Harel. So the Tevinter/Qunari conflict provides the backdrop to your story and you may unavoidably get caught up in it but it is not the main focus of your attention. Instead you are running around trying to get clues as to what Solas is up to or there is even the possibility you are trying to get hold of some relic that would help him in his plans before he does.
The Inquisitor keeps providing the pointers as to which direction you should go in and then you feed back your results.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 12, 2017 14:44:07 GMT
Wild speculation: Charter and/or Harding will be our Inquisition contacts, supplying us with information, quests, and maybe letters from the Inquisitor to read (like the letter from the Hero of Ferelden in DAI). Dorian will be an important NPC, but no longer with the Inquisition. Iron Bull, if alive, will make a cameo. Hrungr : remember though, Cullen could end up a wandering madman/serial killer at the end of DAO This is true, but I think Bio’s been trying to maintain some modicum of continuity since the reintroductions of Cullen and Leliana in DA2. They didn’t even have to acknowledge Leliana’s “death”, yet they did. Doubtful they’d repeat mysterious resurrections.
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Post by Walter Black on Oct 12, 2017 16:20:18 GMT
How involved with they be? Very, most likely. How involved would I like them to be? Not at all. I hate the Inquisition as an organization. I would personally like there to be an option early on in the game where the Inquisition approaches the PC and makes them an offer to join, and for the game to allow us to tell them to fuck off and handle the whole situation without their help, even working against them as they keep getting in our way. That probably won't happen. I sincerely hope that regardless of how involved they are in DA4, Bioware will have gotten them out of their system and we'll be able to move on entirely unaffiliated from them come DA5. Some of my DA4 characters would agree to ally with the Inquisition, provided that particular protagonist and that particular Inquisitor share the same goals. But I would prefer the new PC stand on their own, and not be railroaded into being the Inquisitor's sidekick.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 12, 2017 16:28:10 GMT
I'm hoping the Inquisitor will return as the protagonist.
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Post by hero11n7 on Oct 12, 2017 20:06:36 GMT
I'm curious; if we aren't tied to the inquisition and it isn't what draws us to the game's conflict, what do you think will motivate our character to be involved in the conflict?
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 12, 2017 20:25:51 GMT
I'm curious; if we aren't tied to the inquisition and it isn't what draws us to the game's conflict, what do you think will motivate our character to be involved in the conflict? Depends on which way the story goes. If the story is, by and large, "stop Solas" then you'll want to do so to prevent the destruction of the world. A more selfish character may do it just out of a sense of self-preservation. If you're a native 'Vint, you probably don't want to be conquered by the Qunari (unless you're into that kinda thing). Or maybe you're a slave and you want to watch the Magisterium burn. Maybe we're affiliated with Dorian and Mae's Lucerni or a rival faction. We have to know what the conflict is, first. I'm sure someone will show up with some nice exposition to explain our purpose in the story.
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Post by formerfiend on Oct 13, 2017 2:12:43 GMT
I'm curious; if we aren't tied to the inquisition and it isn't what draws us to the game's conflict, what do you think will motivate our character to be involved in the conflict? Frankly at this point I'm beyond caring. The PC could be drawn into the conflict by Solas' forces ruining their flower garden or spilling their beverage on their shirt; so long as we're given the option to be unaffiliated with the Inquisition and to kill Solas as painfully and definitively as possible, I'll be happy.
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Post by Walter Black on Oct 13, 2017 2:24:46 GMT
I'm curious; if we aren't tied to the inquisition and it isn't what draws us to the game's conflict, what do you think will motivate our character to be involved in the conflict? Frankly at this point I'm beyond caring. The PC could be drawn into the conflict by Solas' forces ruining their flower garden or spilling their beverage on their shirt; so long as we're given the option to be unaffiliated with the Inquisition and to kill Solas as painfully and definitively as possible, I'll be happy. Just what exactly is it about Solas, apart from any other Big Bad, that gets such a rise you? Hell, are there any DA antagonists that you actually like, or even mildly sympathize with?
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Post by formerfiend on Oct 13, 2017 2:52:58 GMT
Frankly at this point I'm beyond caring. The PC could be drawn into the conflict by Solas' forces ruining their flower garden or spilling their beverage on their shirt; so long as we're given the option to be unaffiliated with the Inquisition and to kill Solas as painfully and definitively as possible, I'll be happy. Just what exactly is it about Solas, apart from any other Big Bad, that gets such a rise you? Hell, are there any DA antagonists that you actually like, or even mildly sympathize with? Yes, there are. I'm a huge fan of Loghain & the Arishok. Loghain is, in fact, my favorite character in the whole franchise. And I'm one of the few people who actually likes Corypheus, and I sympathize with him a whole hell of a lot more than I do with Solas. My issue with Solas is partly that the game very clearly wants me to like & sympathize with Solas. It very clearly wants me to view him as a tragic figure. Solas annoys me. His arrogance annoys me. His delusional martyr & savior complexes annoy me. His absolute certainty in the necessity of his plan while at the same time wallowing in self pity about how he has to do this horrible, monstrous thing annoys me. I don't care that he manipulated & betrayed the Inquisitor. He annoys me and for that I want to stick his head on a pike.
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Post by shaqfu on Oct 13, 2017 2:54:30 GMT
I wouldn't mind the Inquisition playing a part in the main quest or a real detailed side quest. I just don't want it to take up too much screen time. It had it's own game and I'd really love to get a bigger focus on some other organizations/factions.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 13, 2017 8:20:38 GMT
Actually I identify with your sentiments here. I hate the fact that this was being pushed on you even to the extent of making the choice to try and save him the option to "redeem" Solas. First run of Trespasser my initial reaction to this was: "This guy has just admitted he is prepared to destroy life as we know it and I'm worried about his soul? Damn it Solas, I'm taking you down." However, if you choose the "redeem" option, the Inquisitor declares "I'm going to prove you wrong". Well that's not the same thing at all. All that means is that you could provide a logical argument that means he realises his original plan won't work - that's not redemption, in other words admitting your plan was evil - he is still prepared to kill all life, you've just offered him an alternative. Then back in the keep the choices are described as kill or redeem again. (Make up your minds).
Looking back on it, with the writers declared intent to close off the Inquisitor's story, it really made no sense. What does it matter what the Inquisitor wants to do if we are going to get a new PC next game? Am I going to be bound to a decision the previous PC made? Will my options be limited because of this? Will Solas only be deflected from his path of destruction if the Inquisitor declared they wanted to "redeem" him.
I like Loghain and the Arishok as antagonists too. There was a lot of wasted potential with Corypheus but then he was never intended to be the main antagonist of DAI since DG has admitted we only got half the story in the game. So it was always a case that the real villain was there under our noses, playing us, all the time. The sympathetic aspect of Solas was only introduced late in the day as well (confirmed by PW) and the romance was a big part of this. Originally he was envisaged as a more the Fen'Harel of Dalish legend that seems more of a trickster from the outset. It is ironic really that whilst he declares that he was always Solas and Fen'Harel came later, in terms of his character development by the writers the opposite was true.
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Post by formerfiend on Oct 13, 2017 9:59:39 GMT
I find that it's a thread that's woven throughout the game. Any time you disagree with Solas the game makes you come off as ignorant and small minded. If you get to the level of disapproval that you get to punch him in the face, the game frames that as your character being incapable of defeating Solas in a battle of ideas and words, and thus you have to resort to lashing out with violence. Which ties into the other reason I find him grating; Solas is arrogant and firmly believes that he knows best for everyone. He loves it when you ask questions so he can impart his knowledge and 'wisdom' on you, but hates it when you disagree and come to different conclusions.
Part of the reason I don't want to be tied to the Inquisition, beyond the fact that I've just grown to despise the Inquisition as an organization and the values it shackled us to, is that I have this feeling that Solas will actually find being stopped, one way or the other, by the Inquisition at the direction of the Inquisitor, an acceptable end to his ambition. That he will have this, "Well played, my friend" moment of gracefully accepting defeat against the one person in the world that he respects, even if it's by proxy.
And I don't want to give him the satisfaction of a tragic, dignified death. I want him to be cursing and spitting at me with impotent anger as I stand over his broken body. I want the full breadth of his failures laid out before him. I want him to be defeated in a way that he just could not accept, that he could find no peace or solace with.
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Post by theascendent on Oct 13, 2017 10:27:14 GMT
I disbanded the organisation because it served its purpose and it was becoming just as bad if not worse than the other groups we've dealt with over the years. We'll likely be approached by an agent to offer us information regarding Solas, but probably no more. They are too far away to offer real substantial aid, the current war with the Qunari makes things more complicated and Tevinter's estrangement with the rest of Thedas means it is too controversial for the Chantry to help, especially after the War it is still recovering. That's probably it.
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