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Post by ioannisdenton on Oct 18, 2017 7:44:15 GMT
Bioware's fate if Anthem flops. it will flop. 1) Unrealistic sales target 2) oversaturated market with mp shooters 3) not bioware;s strong point 4) i am done. in my mind Bioware will die soon sadly
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Post by Guts on Oct 18, 2017 8:30:17 GMT
EA shuts down Visceral GamesConsidering that Motive (which Bioware Montreal was absorbed into) was working with those guys on the new star wars game, what happens to those guys now? The Star Wars Game they were working on seems to be delayed indefinetely. I really hope that EA has other places that would be able to absorb the devs from these studios so they can keep their jobs. Bioware Montreal was absorbed into EA Motive, who was working in collaboration with Visceral games, according to the wikipedia page, it seems that EA's "Worldwide studios" is now collaborating with Motive.
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Post by darkway1 on Oct 18, 2017 8:32:56 GMT
It's ironic really,EA picks up the Star Wars licence from Disney because it recognises the selling power of a good/established franchise.......and yet when it come's to EA's own franchises,they treat them like garbage.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Oct 18, 2017 9:48:24 GMT
Honestly I'm not sure what to make of this news, it's been running around in my head since I heard it & the strongest conclusion that I'm coming to is to make the game more like an MMO type of adventure, but, therein lies the problem. Videogames go through fashion trends & it is up to the people that make & produce them to see where that trend is & where it is heading, yet I get the feeling that EA are trying to put all of their eggs in the one basket, yet, if you look, the sort of MMO's loot & shoot trend is starting to die down now, at least as I've been seeing it, so is this a wise move? In my opinion, no, a producer like EA should chrun out games of different styles to see in what direction the fashion is heading & thus help them keep their fingers on the pulse more. Well that's just my opinion on the matter, gonna do some more thinking on this & see where my mind takes it. It does seem like an all-in approach on MP and microtransactionry. They are milking it... LucasArts should never have been dissolved. Disney should have taken that opportunity to in-house it, and expand the team and their profits. Everything is about gambling and greed. Two things I abhor. Been sleeping on this & I think that we are now at the peak of this trend & very soon people will naturally start voting with their wallets & looking elsewhere for SP games, after all, the full game expansion is starting to make a comeback. Anyway, it comes down to this, are EA smart enough to see this & are thus trying to cash in hard to milk it as much as possible, or, are do they think this trend will continue for a long time to come & thus want it in every game? In my opinion, in 3 years time approx, the market & gamer tastes will have shifted again, but for that, we'll have to wait & see. Lastly, who were these testers EA used? A bunch or arse licking 'yesmen', EA accountants, or die hard fans of the MMO style lootcrate phase? Just my thoughts.
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Post by rahavan on Oct 18, 2017 10:18:25 GMT
Welp EA just shut down Visceral after killing of BW Montreal. I sure hope those shareholders noticed that shit because that would make me extremely uneasy. I swear to god IF bioware gets canned I will never buy a product from EA ever again. Sadly that thought has to cross my mind because of Anthem being so risky.
Also to everyone asking about those internal testers they are either:
A: Family and friends who generally end up being "casuals" (think about your family/co-workers playing video games) these people can hold up NDAs well but at the cost of being fucking completely ignorant of gaming culture.
B: People so desperate to climb the ladder into development they'll do anything.
Companies VERY rarely use a proper target audience. For example I'll use ANet since I've signed up to "test and share my thoughts" the first email I got from them (which is by no means under NDA) was asking participants if they haven't played their MMO Guild Wars 2 in over a year or never played it at all. That second part was a huge red flag because initial recruitment for their testing WAS ON THEIR MAIN FORUMS SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE HAND.
I, just, ugh. People can be astoundingly stupid when it comes to picking testers.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 18, 2017 10:49:29 GMT
It's ironic really,EA picks up the Star Wars licence from Disney because it recognises the selling power of a good/established franchise.......and yet when it come's to EA's own franchises,they treat them like garbage. Yet this isn't the first time a Star Wars game has had trouble during development.
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Post by mmoblitz on Oct 18, 2017 10:55:28 GMT
Just more proof of what we already know. EA is no longer interested in Bioware making Story-driven RPG's. Everything has to be Open world, combat centric, with multiplayer. RIP DA4. You can keep your head buried in the sand if you like, but the bioware I think most of us fell in love with is dead and not coming back.
Before anyone says, "We know nothing about what is or isn't in DA4 so lets wait and see". I don't need tea leaves or a crystal ball to tell me what the EA mandate is for all their games and I also just need to look at their recent releases to know what to expect of the next DA game.
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Post by rras1994 on Oct 18, 2017 11:04:28 GMT
It's ironic really,EA picks up the Star Wars licence from Disney because it recognises the selling power of a good/established franchise.......and yet when it come's to EA's own franchises,they treat them like garbage. Yet this isn't the first time a Star Wars game has had trouble during development. When I actually think about it, there's only really a few Star Wars games that are actually good. And there's been a lot made. Maybe having such an established IP puts too much pressure on the game devs? This isn't just EA, LucasArts had some right shockers going on (Star Wars 1313 anyone?). I can't help but feel that MEA might have influenced this decision. Afterall, the could've been in the situation that they wasted yrs on a feature that's not working (like BioWare Montreal) and rather then hodge podge something together to try make a game to sell and recoup the costs, they decide to scrap rather then have to deal with a bucnh of bad reactions on the internet. Like the details of this project have been so scant, I really think they were major issues. Jason Schrier implied as much in his article. The EA message sounds just like a bunch of PR speak that could mean literally any thing. (honestly sounds similar to CDPR statement they put out recently - little info/meaning, but nice sentiments but gamers give CDPR a pass cus they are the current gaming saviours - even though they've been accused of really bad working conditions gamers don't care cus they liked The Witcher 3)
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 18, 2017 11:45:50 GMT
I'll grant, it's hard to find positives in this news...
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Post by azarhal on Oct 18, 2017 12:05:08 GMT
For all we know, the game Visceral was making was a turd, they have been working on it since 2013 and had nothing to show for it 4 years later. Then you add that their last 3 games were flops (2 financials ones, 1 reception-wise), that they were in California which is more expensive and looks to me like they were living on borrowed time. And you can't blame it on Frostbite, it wasn't Visceral first game with the engine.
Also, I personally expected more layoff from EA this year and the other big publishers. The last year had the big AAA under performing across the board, kinda like this summer with the movie industry now that I think about it.
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 18, 2017 12:11:51 GMT
Frankly I bet those testers are just you tubers and the general public.
You have nothing but streamers and the like to blame as the majority of that content flocks to multiplayer battles games.
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Post by Sondergaard on Oct 18, 2017 12:13:18 GMT
Just more proof of what we already know. EA is no longer interested in Bioware making Story-driven RPG's. Everything has to be Open world, combat centric, with multiplayer. RIP DA4. You can keep your head buried in the sand if you like, but the bioware I think most of us fell in love with is dead and not coming back. Before anyone says, "We know nothing about what is or isn't in DA4 so lets wait and see". I don't need tea leaves or a crystal ball to tell me what the EA mandate is for all their games and I also just need to look at their recent releases to know what to expect of the next DA game. I haven't given up on DA4 yet and hope against hope that someone will realise that multiplayer isn't for everyone, especially in the DA setting. Whatever I think of EA, I just find it unbelievable that a company would put all of it's eggs in one extremely fragile basket. I always thought 'diversification' was the mantra of business success. But you're probably right.
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Post by azarhal on Oct 18, 2017 13:08:01 GMT
Reading some more stuff around on Neogaf, looks like a lots of the Visceral devs left more than 4 months ago.
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Post by mmoblitz on Oct 18, 2017 13:13:44 GMT
Just more proof of what we already know. EA is no longer interested in Bioware making Story-driven RPG's. Everything has to be Open world, combat centric, with multiplayer. RIP DA4. You can keep your head buried in the sand if you like, but the bioware I think most of us fell in love with is dead and not coming back. Before anyone says, "We know nothing about what is or isn't in DA4 so lets wait and see". I don't need tea leaves or a crystal ball to tell me what the EA mandate is for all their games and I also just need to look at their recent releases to know what to expect of the next DA game. I haven't given up on DA4 yet and hope against hope that someone will realise that multiplayer isn't for everyone, especially in the DA setting. Whatever I think of EA, I just find it unbelievable that a company would put all of it's eggs in one extremely fragile basket. I always thought 'diversification' was the mantra of business success. But you're probably right. I hope I'm wrong about Da4. I really do. I'm sure EA and WB are in the running for worst company this year. WB must really want it as they seem to be in an all out sprint for that title.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 18, 2017 13:19:29 GMT
Not to sound like an ass but, Dead Space has been dead since the 3rd game. I liked the sci-fi setting a lot, but as a horror game, I preferred System Shock 2 for that. (Which used to be published by EA oddly enough, now it's owned by Nightdive studios.) BTW, System Shock 3 is in development now. I wonder if someone would buy the rights to mass effect if Bioware falls.
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Post by rahavan on Oct 18, 2017 13:44:00 GMT
Frankly I bet those testers are just you tubers and the general public. You have nothing but streamers and the like to blame as the majority of that content flocks to multiplayer battles games. Don't put all streamers and youtubers in the same box. You'll find more often than not a person who plays video games for a living has a pretty decent grasp on what people like because they themselves have to appeal to their audience. Many of the most popular channels on twitch do not just play one game and you'll be hard pressed to find popular youtubers who just play one game. You're probably too caught up to notice fortnight/pubg being in the top ten to notice that there's still plenty of people viewing other content. Ill give you the fact you this though, nothing came out for a long while so most variety streamers were just left to playing what they enjoy/whats popular aka PUBG.
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 18, 2017 13:53:22 GMT
Frankly I bet those testers are just you tubers and the general public. You have nothing but streamers and the like to blame as the majority of that content flocks to multiplayer battles games. Don't put all streamers and youtubers in the same box. You'll find more often than not a person who plays video games for a living has a pretty decent grasp on what people like because they themselves have to appeal to their audience. Many of the most popular channels on twitch do not just play one game and you'll be hard pressed to find popular youtubers who just play one game. You're probably too caught up to notice fortnight/pubg being in the top ten to notice that there's still plenty of people viewing other content. Ill give you the fact you this though, nothing came out for a long while so most variety streamers were just left to playing what they enjoy/whats popular aka PUBG. Problem is the most popular youtubers ARE playing stuff like PUBG and Overwatch, League or other games in that vein because it gives them views. So yes, I do lump the majority in, because they are the ones seeing their view counts going up off of those games. And I should point out there is nothing wrong with that either. It's not about variety of content, it's about getting the eyeballs on it to make money. Let's not pretend otherwise for the majority online doing it now. That, and scathing BS "blame game" videos and top ten lists sell ultimately.
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Post by geralt on Oct 18, 2017 14:04:04 GMT
Translation: "The original game had no online element where we could exploit the crap out of micro-transactions and lootboxes, our new production team will fix this problem."
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Post by General Mahad on Oct 18, 2017 15:34:41 GMT
EA just killed the Dead Space franchise.
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I need a moment.
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Post by Ameridan on Oct 18, 2017 15:47:54 GMT
Fuck you EA that is strike two this year! the trouble now is I'm really not inclined to pick Anthem up what so ever as its clear it got resources that ME:A should have had. Yet should it flop I can see Bioware on the chopping block next, and if that happens I will never give EA another pound of my money!
Jim Sterling sums it up well, even saw it coming back in 2015
As for DA4 anyone think Mike Laidlaw left due to changes EA wants to do with the game? Food for thought I think...
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Post by 10k on Oct 18, 2017 16:04:17 GMT
No surprise. EA has been doing this for a long time, it's just a business tactic; buy out the competition. No matter what anyone is hoping for, this is going to be BW fate ultimately. They buy a studio, kill that studio's prized franchises with bad sequels or prequels, then close down that studio. Rinse and Repeat.
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 18, 2017 16:05:25 GMT
EA just killed the Dead Space franchise. ........ I need a moment. It's been dead for years already. DS3 was the final nail in the coffin.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 18, 2017 16:14:16 GMT
EA just killed the Dead Space franchise. ........ I need a moment. It's been dead for years already. DS3 was the final nail in the coffin. How come no one knows this? I knew as soon as I watched that dlc for DS3 on YouTube that Dead Space was dead.
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Post by fchopin on Oct 18, 2017 17:02:39 GMT
I'll grant, it's hard to find positives in this news... The only consolation I see is if Visceral Motive gets all the leftovers maybe they can make a good game for us in the near future.
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