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Post by MattMan031 on Oct 18, 2017 19:52:33 GMT
Suddenly Mass Effect: Andromeda DLC getting canned because of "negative feedback" suddenly sounds like a load of shit. Mostly at least.
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Post by tatarforas on Oct 18, 2017 21:28:31 GMT
I don't know if I'm reading that right, but does that mean the game will be more of a RPG rather than an Action game? If that is what they mean, then that's good news. I doubt it's going to be an RPG, far more likely that they're going to turn it into some sort of co-op multiplayer "games as a service" shitfest riddled with micro-transactions.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Oct 18, 2017 21:30:09 GMT
Lastly, who were these testers EA used? A bunch or arse licking 'yesmen', EA accountants, or die hard fans of the MMO style lootcrate phase? They are worthless shit-gargling fuckwit whiny so-called "hardcore" gamer trolls who represent the worst of humanity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 22:07:41 GMT
So first BioWare Montreal gets the proverbial ax, then ME:A's continued support is cut off at the knees. Now, Visceral gets it's head cleaved off and this unannounced Star Wars game's carcass is picked for whats left over after the kill? Is BioWare proper next up on the chopping block if Anthem doesn't meets EA's wet dream level expectations? At least this lays to rest one question I've been harboring. R.I.P. Dead Space, we hardly knew ye. Oh yeah, and fuck EA.
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Post by Amirit on Oct 18, 2017 22:19:05 GMT
Often insights from that blog are good but this is not the case. The whole article can be summed up with one phrase - bad management (both from the hypothetical studio and from a hypothetical publisher). Meaning, studio had hard coded deadlines and no game concept to begin with, while publisher/owner of the studio did not understand a thing about game-making and did not care to check up on the process. Most importantly, it's not about Viceral (despite the title) - EA DID try to milk more money form Dead Space 3, ruining the game and DID openly state, that RPG concept is not what they want, hence - closing studio specializing on that kind of games. Sorry, ES is still evil.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Oct 18, 2017 22:22:20 GMT
That last part is really important.
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Post by vonuber on Oct 18, 2017 22:35:18 GMT
I would think you would have to be fairly naive at this point to not suspect Bioware may be next, dependant on Anthem. Either way, I would suggest that (given the treatment of Andromeda)Bioware's focus as a SP RPG maker is gone, as it is not as profitable as loot boxes.
Which, incidentally, are starting to attract the interest of the UK Government as a form of gambling - which would be a big no-no.
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Post by Kelwing on Oct 18, 2017 22:49:06 GMT
I read it as. Not enough multiplayer so we can sell more crappy microtransactions.
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 18, 2017 22:51:02 GMT
This is sad and very frustrating. I have no doubt this would've been an excellent game, like everything else Amy Hennig has helmed. I fear we are seeing the final days of the story-driven SP game. Since that's the only type of game I enjoy, it's more than a bit disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 23:06:47 GMT
This is sad and very frustrating. I have no doubt this would've been an excellent game, like everything else Amy Hennig has helmed. I fear we are seeing the final days of the story-driven SP game. Since that's the only type of game I enjoy, it's more than a bit disappointing. Pretty much how I'm feeling as well.
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 19, 2017 0:57:10 GMT
I would think you would have to be fairly naive at this point to not suspect Bioware may be next, dependant on Anthem. Either way, I would suggest that (given the treatment of Andromeda)Bioware's focus as a SP RPG maker is gone, as it is not as profitable as loot boxes. Which, incidentally, are starting to attract the interest of the UK Government as a form of gambling - which would be a big no-no. Well its not really gambling in the strictest sense of the definition so the point may be a moot one. There is also this... So it seems to me like the original issue of something else being involved is somewhat true. The rest is spin from the statement by Jorgensen...which Schreier notes:
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Post by Superhik on Oct 19, 2017 1:05:06 GMT
Lastly, who were these testers EA used? A bunch or arse licking 'yesmen', EA accountants, or die hard fans of the MMO style lootcrate phase? They are worthless shit-gargling fuckwit whiny so-called "hardcore" gamer trolls who represent the worst of humanity. Watch out for that blood pressure, man.
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Post by clips7 on Oct 19, 2017 1:37:22 GMT
This is starting to turn into an alarming trend and to think this all started with DLC back in the day which i hated from the jump. Before all of this chaos Developers used to try to give you the most bang for your buck. Nope now let's charge for content that is already coded in the game ??(in some scenarios) and have them pay for it to unlock it. Instead of including this story plot into the game let's charge extra for it.....what's this? micro-transactiosn and mp and social player themed games?....scrap compelling single player experience and lets do that.... Yes i'm exaggerating a bit, but the progression is just getting out of control. These development firms go in with publishers like EA for financial backing and to improve their games mechanics and to have higher production values and budgets. I've never been on the "hate EA bandwagon", but this trend of dev's that have been dissolved by them is being structured by them at an alarming rate. It's either AAA or indy produced 2d platforming stuff that is playing it safe....i'm glad i have "The Last of US 2" "Days Gone" "Horizon Zero Dawn" "tomb Raider" and other 3rd person single player games to look forward to and not this generic stream of First Person Destiny wannabe garbage....
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Post by river82 on Oct 19, 2017 2:51:45 GMT
Which, incidentally, are starting to attract the interest of the UK Government as a form of gambling - which would be a big no-no. Well its not really gambling in the strictest sense of the definition so the point may be a moot one. The ESRB agrees with you: "ESRB does not consider loot boxes to be gambling," said an ESRB spokesperson in an email to Kotaku. "While there's an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something they don't want). We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games: Sometimes you'll open a pack and get a brand new holographic card you've had your eye on for a while. But other times you'll end up with a pack of cards you already have."
The ESRB's argument may not sit well with those who believe that loot boxes are designed in the same predatory fashion as slot machines or craps tables. Many of this spring's games, including Shadow of War, Destiny 2 and the upcoming Star Wars Battlefront 2, feature systems in which you can spend real money to get randomised gear in the form of loot boxes. The addition of these microtransactions in $100 games is always a sore subject, made far worse when they have an impact on your character's strength and abilities, as they do in these games. (Battlefront 2 is not out yet, but in our own extensive experience, loot boxes in both Shadow of War and Destiny 2 are easy to ignore, although their existence lingers.)
The resulting outrage led pundits such as John "Totalbiscuit" Bain to ask the ESRB to classify loot boxes as gambling, although that appears to be a non-starter.www.kotaku.com.au/2017/10/esrb-says-it-doesnt-see-loot-boxes-as-gambling/
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 19, 2017 3:51:53 GMT
Well its not really gambling in the strictest sense of the definition so the point may be a moot one. The ESRB agrees with you: "ESRB does not consider loot boxes to be gambling," said an ESRB spokesperson in an email to Kotaku. "While there's an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something they don't want). We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games: Sometimes you'll open a pack and get a brand new holographic card you've had your eye on for a while. But other times you'll end up with a pack of cards you already have."
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The resulting outrage led pundits such as John "Totalbiscuit" Bain to ask the ESRB to classify loot boxes as gambling, although that appears to be a non-starter.www.kotaku.com.au/2017/10/esrb-says-it-doesnt-see-loot-boxes-as-gambling/I'd argue it's more common sense vs an entity like the ESRB agreeing on it. In the end the practice is as they say basically, playing a game like Magic the gathering, only a lot of games thankfully are more than multiplayer only. I think people severely underestimate how lucrative that can be in a business of high costs, risks, and image problems.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Oct 19, 2017 5:09:57 GMT
I liked the sci-fi setting a lot, but as a horror game, I preferred System Shock 2 for that. (Which used to be published by EA oddly enough, now it's owned by Nightdive studios.) BTW, System Shock 3 is in development now. I wonder if someone would buy the rights to mass effect if Bioware falls. Yeah, WB studios maybe since they're partners with CDPR. Hopefully not Bethesda because they would turn it into Skyrim in space.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Oct 19, 2017 5:15:39 GMT
I would think you would have to be fairly naive at this point to not suspect Bioware may be next, dependant on Anthem. Either way, I would suggest that (given the treatment of Andromeda)Bioware's focus as a SP RPG maker is gone, as it is not as profitable as loot boxes. Which, incidentally, are starting to attract the interest of the UK Government as a form of gambling - which would be a big no-no. We'll see how Anthem does. I'm skeptical of it because I'm not a big Destiny fan. Frankly EA has to understand the backlash from killing Bioware would be 10 times worse than it was over killing Visceral studios.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 19, 2017 5:41:45 GMT
I wonder if someone would buy the rights to mass effect if Bioware falls. Yeah, WB studios maybe since they're partners with CDPR. Hopefully not Bethesda because they would turn it into Skyrim in space. Not to keen on WB studies buying ME after what they did with Shadow of War. But I totally agree with you on Bethesda, they would ruin ME.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Oct 19, 2017 9:37:30 GMT
Something's just popped into my head, the only games I own published by EA are the ME & DA series, with the sole exception of Dante's Inferno, developed by Visceral.
Just thought I'd put that out there for no major reason.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 15:18:51 GMT
Frostbite engine is more trouble than its worth with all its bugs. Might as well just go with Unreal 4 engine instead. All of the most graphically impressive games with the best mechanics that I have played in the last year or so have been Frostbite 3 games. It's obviously doing something right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 15:22:50 GMT
And RIP Dead Space: best action horror there is. Not to sound like an ass but, Dead Space has been dead since the 3rd game. #3 was best Dead Space game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 15:27:30 GMT
Lastly, who were these testers EA used? A bunch or arse licking 'yesmen', EA accountants, or die hard fans of the MMO style lootcrate phase? They are worthless shit-gargling fuckwit whiny so-called "hardcore" gamer trolls who represent the worst of humanity. Your anger here is massively misdirected. The casual gamer crowd is who EA gears their games towards. Blame their vapid tastes and bug-like attention span.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 15:31:08 GMT
Further more, If EA shitcans BioWare proper, than I will never buy another EA game again. The only other EA series that is even remotely worth my time. is Battlefield, and with games like PUBG and CS:GO giving me my competitive MP fix, I wouldn't even miss Battlefield in the slightest. EA can rot for all I care.
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