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Post by stealthfox94 on Oct 24, 2017 2:37:47 GMT
Say what you want about the man but we all know he's right. EA is trying to destroy the video game industry just for the sake of profit. I never really got on the EA hate bandwagon until this year. This garbage companies idea of a good game includes loot boxes and generic open world settings. At this rate EA might cause the "video game crash of 2019".
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Post by Superhik on Oct 24, 2017 3:12:27 GMT
Irritating. These guys browse places like Neogaf ( heh, well they used to), blubber repeat the same infront of camera and then it goeeees:"I hope you found this helpful, please support me on Patreon, so heh, "our" channel can remain "independent" ( of what?). What the..even comes with some kind of "reward/tier system"?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Oct 24, 2017 3:25:36 GMT
Not surprising? This is how things goes from some time now. Next time EA just has to develop a better game under those requirements, because it's been proven possible. Wait, I mean BioWare, they made the game. Apologies.
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Post by clips7 on Oct 24, 2017 3:38:48 GMT
Here's a link to Hier's statements/interview... gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/mass-effect-andromeda-microtransactions-ea-bioware-manveer-heir-1766165I know some say the guy was jerk and racist?, but eh, what he states here kinda supports what EA is doing at the moment. Not that we really needed him to see that, but having a former employee state such things almost cements EA's new direction. Which is unfortunate, because i do believe that you can have both....for me Mass Effect3 had an amazing single player campaign and it's MP was incredibly addicting....i still play it and i think it's superior to Andromeda's MP....i luv my phoenix vanguard!... ......EA is just trying to cut corners on finances and make hollow loot gathering games infused with micro transactions.....I understand that gaming budgets continue to skyrocket, but a good SP game can still sell.....just like ME2, ME3, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc...and others....t EA is turning into nothing but a but a bunch of corporate suits wandering around in the gaming dept demanding that increased revenues are a must and a priority over anything else. Again i do feel that you can have both....EA also needs to understand that automatically creating MP/open-world games does not automatically mean revenue, that product has to be interesting and compelling as well....Anthem tho, sounds more and more like it will now end up being a micro-transaction showcase......i kinda felt the sp campaign in Anthem would be a bit shallow,..now it feels like it will be more than an afterthought.
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 24, 2017 4:08:17 GMT
I really miss those times when you bought a game you actually bought the whole game, you didn't have to keep buying to have a full experience.
If you buy microtransactions, I hate you.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 24, 2017 4:11:25 GMT
I really miss those times when you bought a game you actually bought the whole game, you didn't have to keep buying to have a full experience. If you buy microtransactions, I hate you. To be fair it kind of is the same these days for a lot of other companies, and even in other forms of media. Perhaps not as bad though.
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Post by clips7 on Oct 24, 2017 4:46:59 GMT
I really miss those times when you bought a game you actually bought the whole game, you didn't have to keep buying to have a full experience. If you buy microtransactions, I hate you. This whole thing started with DLC. I was opposed to this when it first started happening years ago. Back then dev's used to try to give you the most bang for your buck. Now i'm not hating on the DLC too much now, because i do understand that these games continue to increase as far as budgets go, but still i'm not a fan of such practices. I used to try and wait for GOTY editions that would have all dlc all on one disk....it's mainly the sole reason i don't do DLC....i like everything on a physical disk. I was trying to wait for a ME3 GOTY edition, but i know that is never going to happen with the DLC for ME3 still generating decent sales. I will probably bite the bullet on that one tho, since ME3 do have some pretty interesting/compelling DLC....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 7:52:16 GMT
i don't see how EA is doing anything wrong. they're playing by the rules, their games successfully attract idiots with deep pockets (similar to mobile game market atm). don't get me wrong, it really sucks, but for all big name studios, profit is king, and until the rules are changed this sort of behavior wont go away on its own
read : it means the vast majority of game consumers (or a very unlikely rich minority, the rich are good with their money usually) are complete idiots who buy into the scheme and keep it alive. its not only microtransactions, but games as a whole are being dumbed down, streamlined, casualized to appeal to the mass market full of idiots. so if you're looking to make a profit, why shoot yourself in the foot if you can appeal to the majority of gamers, make them happy with RNG lootboxes, and only have a poor, yet vocal and judgemental community on reddit blame you without actually having any of it affect your sales? the state fo gaming is fucked, but it's definitely not just because of the behavior of publishers (ie it's a feedback loop that drove the industry into this behavior, because gamers allowed it in the first place, endorsed it, and bought the shit out of lootboxes, and publishers smartly adapting to the demand based off statistics, math doesnt lie).
tl;dr EA, like any smart business, adapts to demand. they're not the ones "forcing" the lootboxes model onto us, rather, it's the (nonvocal) majority of gamers who demanded/keep demanding them in masses. EA adapts to statistics.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 24, 2017 10:00:29 GMT
Why should I care what this guy has to say isn't he a racist and we should have boycotted all BioWare and EA products because they refuse to fire him?
I think this kind of attitude towards EA and BioWare is why we get the shit we do, because they are caring less and less about what we have to say when people out there will search for anything and everything to try and get people to do what they want. Hate EA and BioWare because the racist Manveer Heir isn't being fired, but now we all must rally around Hanveer Heir because he is speaking out against those companies because we want to hate them more.
Personally, what he said isn't new and I don't understand why people are lapping it up. Just because one employee who didn't have his contract renewed is saying these things there are plenty more that don't work for BioWare anymore that aren't saying anything because everyone around here lost their composure each time an employee left indicating it was the end of the world.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 24, 2017 10:19:00 GMT
Why should I care what this guy has to say isn't he a racist and we should have boycotted all BioWare and EA products because they refuse to fire him? EA/Bioware supposedly did fire him earlier this year. So I suppose you can argue that would make this headline more accurately summed up as; "Man fired from work doesn't like former employers... also the sky is still blue and the ocean wet. Now onto sports..."
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 24, 2017 10:27:31 GMT
Funny how when racist/sexist/homophobic shit is in BioWare's actual games, everybody is like "NYEEEEEEEER IT'S ARRRRRRRRRRRT YOU CAN'T CRITICISE ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT".
But a brown man takes a selfie of his "white tears" mug and you can't crucify him fast enough.
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Post by Arcian on Oct 24, 2017 10:35:29 GMT
Say what you want about the man but we all know he's right. EA is trying to destroy the video game industry just for the sake of profit. I never really got on the EA hate bandwagon until this year. This garbage companies idea of a good game includes loot boxes and generic open world settings. At this rate EA might cause the "video game crash of 2019". Manveer is a piece of shit but even pieces of shit are right sometimes, like how I correctly predicted Mass Effect: Andromeda would be the worst Mass Effect game released by BioWare.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 24, 2017 10:47:54 GMT
Say what you want about the man but we all know he's right. EA is trying to destroy the video game industry just for the sake of profit. I never really got on the EA hate bandwagon until this year. This garbage companies idea of a good game includes loot boxes and generic open world settings. At this rate EA might cause the "video game crash of 2019". Manveer is a piece of shit but even pieces of shit are right sometimes, like how I correctly predicted Mass Effect: Andromeda would be the worst Mass Effect game released by BioWare. Big fan of Sonic Chronicles, yeah?
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Post by Arcian on Oct 24, 2017 10:49:54 GMT
Manveer is a piece of shit but even pieces of shit are right sometimes, like how I correctly predicted Mass Effect: Andromeda would be the worst Mass Effect game released by BioWare. Big fan of Sonic Chronicles, yeah? Sonic Chronicles is a Mass Effect game?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 24, 2017 10:51:34 GMT
Big fan of Sonic Chronicles, yeah? Sonic Chronicles is a Mass Effect game? IT IS IF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE HINTS
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 24, 2017 11:20:38 GMT
I laugh every time somebody starts with this whining calling this guy "racist".
They don't boycott movies with rapists and guys who beat women, but if a combat-designer tweets a photo with a cup saying "white tears", HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, I'LL NEVER BUY A BIOWARE GAME AGAIN!!!!!!!!
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 24, 2017 11:24:43 GMT
I really miss those times when you bought a game you actually bought the whole game, you didn't have to keep buying to have a full experience. If you buy microtransactions, I hate you. This whole thing started with DLC. I was opposed to this when it first started happening years ago. Back then dev's used to try to give you the most bang for your buck. Now i'm not hating on the DLC too much now, because i do understand that these games continue to increase as far as budgets go, but still i'm not a fan of such practices. I used to try and wait for GOTY editions that would have all dlc all on one disk....it's mainly the sole reason i don't do DLC....i like everything on a physical disk. I was trying to wait for a ME3 GOTY edition, but i know that is never going to happen with the DLC for ME3 still generating decent sales. I will probably bite the bullet on that one tho, since ME3 do have some pretty interesting/compelling DLC.... Yeah, I personally don't like DLC either, because you know the game is going to get and become outdated. If it was a way of selling to keep a game updated (like Crusader Kings 2, they've been supporting the game for 500 years, but it became so ridiculous they have over $500 in DLC, and the game is very different without them), I'd understand, but it became a way of selling uncomplete games to sell the rest on DLC. "Hey, you know the villain of the next game? He's on our DLC, so to understand what he is, you're going to have to play the DLC, muahahahahaha" And about microtransactions, it's actually fine when it's for aesthetic purposes only, especially for online-focused games (Rocket League is a perfect example of that, I never paid a penny and still got the same experience as everybody else)
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 24, 2017 11:25:29 GMT
The silly thing is that it isn't just EA but the rest of the tirple A crowd as well that tries to monetize all the aspects of their games. Doesn't really take an ex-dev to comment to note it.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 24, 2017 11:39:34 GMT
I laugh every time somebody starts with this whining calling this guy "racist". They don't boycott movies with rapists and guys who beat women, but if a combat-designer tweets a photo with a cup saying "white tears", HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, I'LL NEVER BUY A BIOWARE GAME AGAIN!!!!!!!! Since I was the first person to use the word racist, I want to be clear I wasn't calling him one. I was paraphrasing everything forums and places like YouTube have done over the last couple of years. Because it just seems people were using that twitter comment as a reason to call for boycotts, but now we all must believe everything he is saying because he no longer works for EA and he is bashing both companies. Its the hyperbole that I was trying to point out and I guess I just wasn't very clear with it.
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Post by General Mahad on Oct 24, 2017 12:06:50 GMT
Curry Thunder was likely insufferable to work with but he did have a point in that Andromeda was not diverse enough and no I’m not talking about more LGBTA+¥< Pee Oh Cees. Funny how when racist/sexist/homophobic shit is in BioWare's actual games, everybody is like "NYEEEEEEEER IT'S ARRRRRRRRRRRT YOU CAN'T CRITICISE ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT". But a brown man takes a selfie of his "white tears" mug and you can't crucify him fast enough. People are not condemning him because he’s brown, they’re condemning him because he’s an asshat who happens to be brown.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 24, 2017 12:09:06 GMT
Just an FYI, might be worth sticking to the points about EA that Manveer raises. A discussion about 'white tears' and whether Manveer himself is or isn't racist and/or whether EA/BioWare are or aren't racist just leads us into the usual rabbit hole, arguments, and an inevitable lock. Not because the topic is of itself taboo, but over the last year and more, it's been a topic that defies rational discussion. Choose your path wisely...
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Post by anarchy65 on Oct 24, 2017 12:17:46 GMT
Just an FYI, might be worth sticking to the points about EA that Manveer raises. A discussion about 'white tears' and whether Manveer himself is or isn't racist and/or whether EA/BioWare are or aren't racist just leads us into the usual rabbit hole, arguments, and an inevitable lock. Not because the topic is of itself taboo, but over the last year and more, it's been a topic that defies rational discussion. Choose your path wisely... To be fair, mod, the paths in this picture seem to be leading the same way =P
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 24, 2017 12:28:45 GMT
To be fair, mod, the paths in this picture seem to be leading the same way =P Fair enough... How about something a little less philosophical...
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Post by ulmanicator on Oct 24, 2017 12:31:03 GMT
I really miss those times when you bought a game you actually bought the whole game, you didn't have to keep buying to have a full experience. If you buy microtransactions, I hate you. This whole thing started with DLC. I was opposed to this when it first started happening years ago. Back then dev's used to try to give you the most bang for your buck. Now i'm not hating on the DLC too much now, because i do understand that these games continue to increase as far as budgets go, but still i'm not a fan of such practices. I used to try and wait for GOTY editions that would have all dlc all on one disk....it's mainly the sole reason i don't do DLC....i like everything on a physical disk. I was trying to wait for a ME3 GOTY edition, but i know that is never going to happen with the DLC for ME3 still generating decent sales. I will probably bite the bullet on that one tho, since ME3 do have some pretty interesting/compelling DLC.... The prices of everything from cleaning the office to buying an ad spot on TV channel are rising constantly, yet the games remain at 60$/euro price for a pretty long period of time.That's the most important reason why we started to get DLC-heavy games. However, it didn't end with that - the number of people who don't care about the SP and play just MP with friends just for fun is on the rise as well, and I fear that in five years single player story-focused AAA games will die out almost completely. We'll still get gameplay-heavy stuff like Souls or Nintendo games or "old-school" Kickstarter games but almost nothing similar to ME or DA.
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