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Post by Sanunes on Oct 26, 2017 20:22:20 GMT
Sales increases are not matching up with production cost increases. Games can cost $50 to $60 million before advertising and developers generally see only $20 to $30 per copy sold so that still means games need one to two million copies sold to break even. Then cut the middle management bloat and slice the salaries of the top executives, part of that increase in costs comes from the people at the top taking a bigger cut of the pie. I don't think that would lower the costs nearly as much as you think it might, I doubt the people that make the huge salaries would even be included in those numbers. The real big salaries would go to the people that run the publishers and not the individual studios. Game development has gotten expensive because peoples are demanding more and more in the games, how many people get upset when the PC version doesn't properly support 4k graphics or the game "looks like last generation" those are things they try and prevent which means they need more people to create the content for they cannot have just one person doing the animations anymore.
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 26, 2017 20:33:33 GMT
Then cut the middle management bloat and slice the salaries of the top executives, part of that increase in costs comes from the people at the top taking a bigger cut of the pie. ... how many people get upset when the PC version doesn't properly support 4k graphics or the game "looks like last generation" those are things they try and prevent which means they need more people to create the content for they cannot have just one person doing the animations anymore. Some vocal few. In the meantime mediocre fidelity still sells like hot cake with good gameplay by indies. Sure, tirple A is expected to deliver, but that isn't all the cake there is.
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 26, 2017 20:48:48 GMT
You disapprove of people subsidizing your gaming experience? I can understated people railing about micros but people railing about people paying for them makes zero sense. I'll use the usual example of ME3mp, a lot of money was made of of micros and mp got a LOT of dlcs and a lot of attention for a long period of time. Dragon age and meamp got dumped very quickly when they were not cash makers. I praise all the people that have used real cash to allow me to have a better game experience. You honestly believe these people are subsidizing your gaming experience? Or are they setting a precedent that actively makes your gaming experience worse only you are too naive to realize? I enjoyed 4 or 5 large mp dlcs from me3mp, there would not be 4 or 5 large dlcs if the cash was not rolling in. See DAIMP and MEAmp in which support and any large dlcs fell by the way side very fast. so yes, the people that paid for content 100% for sure subsidized the many that did not. I for one don;t think micros are the end of the world as long as they are handled in a certain fashion. I can agree that in many cases they are handled poorly or seem to be totally driven my some gaming companies analytics without thought about other factors.
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Post by bshep on Oct 26, 2017 20:58:13 GMT
... how many people get upset when the PC version doesn't properly support 4k graphics or the game "looks like last generation" those are things they try and prevent which means they need more people to create the content for they cannot have just one person doing the animations anymore. Some vocal few. In the meantime mediocre fidelity still sells like hot cake with good gameplay by indies. Sure, tirple A is expected to deliver, but that isn't all the cake there is. Yep. Most pc players don't use high end hardware or bother with changing hardware every season, which is not a cheap thing to do.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 26, 2017 21:15:52 GMT
... how many people get upset when the PC version doesn't properly support 4k graphics or the game "looks like last generation" those are things they try and prevent which means they need more people to create the content for they cannot have just one person doing the animations anymore. Some vocal few. In the meantime mediocre fidelity still sells like hot cake with good gameplay by indies. Sure, tirple A is expected to deliver, but that isn't all the cake there is. Right, but what I have seen in the last few years even if the vocal group is few if they are the only voice they will get heard.
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 26, 2017 21:38:52 GMT
Some vocal few. In the meantime mediocre fidelity still sells like hot cake with good gameplay by indies. Sure, tirple A is expected to deliver, but that isn't all the cake there is. Right, but what I have seen in the last few years even if the vocal group is few if they are the only voice they will get heard. So what? Some big publisher bloats up their numbers. Big news. Let them go bust if they must. Natural selection. The creative talents set free by that are the seed for new and better games.
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Post by JokeDealer on Oct 26, 2017 21:40:30 GMT
Frankly, video game budgets are only growing larger and larger, but the price of games has remained the same. This is a problem that needs to be addressed sooner or later. Could EA's plan be a potential solution? The problem has already been addressed, people always talk about the rising cost of video games but nobody ever mentions the fact that video games have risen in popularity and more people are buying video games, that alone already offsets the rising costs but if you want to cut costs even more you could always get rid of the middle management bloat who do nothing but make bad decisions that will ultimately tank any studio they are in charge of, pretty sure the CEO does not deserve a $1.2mil bonus for destroying the reputation of studios and franchises. That is true to an extent and I won't deny that, but relying on that fix means that game developers are beholden to the needs of the audience majority. If you look at the top played and top selling games on Steam, Xbox, or PS4, the majority consists almost entirely of multiplayer games. As of right now, single player games don't have much of a future because they lack the same replay value, they lack the same consistent player base, and they lack the same popularity in mainstream media. So yes, if they appeal to the larger audience, they won't have to raise game prices by a single cent, but the single-player gamer is not the larger audience in this case.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Oct 26, 2017 21:51:17 GMT
That's old news, lol. EA announced years ago before the release of ME3 that all of the games they published will have a multiplayer component. That's not new. Micro-transactions? Nothing new from EA there either. I'm surprised they didn't sell micro DLC for MEA. We don't need a loathsome figure like Manveer Heir to tell us this. As far as the vid title in the op goes, I don't call it greed, it's just business. It's not the kind of publisher that I hardly do any business with, but that's my choice. There's other devs/publishers out there to buy from. Well, if they didn't care about what fans wanted then BioWare's wouldn't have gotten a game with amateur juvenile writing, patched in romances and the well animated sex scenes, that game being Andromeda.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 26, 2017 21:53:28 GMT
Well done for making it to 7 pages, but let's calm down snarking at each other, please. I'd rather we didn't take the next step because it's an important topic...
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Oct 26, 2017 21:56:37 GMT
It was harmless, tho.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 22:00:24 GMT
That's old news, lol. EA announced years ago before the release of ME3 that all of the games they published will have a multiplayer component. That's not new. Micro-transactions? Nothing new from EA there either. I'm surprised they didn't sell micro DLC for MEA. We don't need a loathsome figure like Manveer Heir to tell us this. As far as the vid title in the op goes, I don't call it greed, it's just business. It's not the kind of publisher that I hardly do any business with, but that's my choice. There's other devs/publishers out there to buy from. Well, if they didn't care about what fans wanted then BioWare's wouldn't have gotten a game with amateur juvenile writing, patched in romances and the well animated sex scenes, that game being Andromeda. True. To me it was figurative, but I can't speak for that guy.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 26, 2017 22:00:43 GMT
Maybe, which is why the thread's still open. Bland text lacks nuance, so one person's 'harmless' is another person's 'insult'. Just guiding us away from the firing range...
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Post by smilesja on Oct 26, 2017 22:10:37 GMT
Maybe, which is why the thread's still open. Bland text lacks nuance, so one person's 'harmless' is another person's 'insult'. Just guiding us away from the firing range... Or what’s juvenile to one person can be good to the other.
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Post by dark8sage on Oct 26, 2017 22:42:39 GMT
No eres mas que un borrego extranjero hablando por el hueco equivocado. Las muertes en las calles son a manos de policias, soldados o el hampa. Solo ingenuos como tu repiten la propaganda estatal porque es obvio que tus simpatias izquierdistas informan un punto de vista tan removido de la realidad en este paiz. Uff... que agradable sujeto. Se puede ver a 4000 kms de distancia que las muertes son tanto de agentes del estado, como de los extremistas opositores. Tu propaganda estatal no llega a esta parte del mundo (dudo que salga de Venezuela), no he dicho que tu país es un arco iris tampoco. PD: anda a votar a la próxima. Solo un ignorante como tu pretende que se puede votar legitimamente en este pais. Deja de hablar tanta mierda y si tienes pruebas de asesinatos por "extremistas opositores" comparados con las muertes cometidas por un estado opresor, ofrecelas. Claro que lo dudo, ya que dices que nada sale de Venezuela sin embargo pareces tener mucho conocimiento de lo que pasa en este pais. La cantidad de basura que debes consumir pa que salga tanta diarrea. Es gracias a sucios extranjeros izquierdistas como tu y los Cubanos Castristas que la realidad de este pais es pervertida.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Oct 26, 2017 23:34:29 GMT
That's old news, lol. EA announced years ago before the release of ME3 that all of the games they published will have a multiplayer component. That's not new. Micro-transactions? Nothing new from EA there either. I'm surprised they didn't sell micro DLC for MEA. We don't need a loathsome figure like Manveer Heir to tell us this. As far as the vid title in the op goes, I don't call it greed, it's just business. It's not the kind of publisher that I hardly do any business with, but that's my choice. There's other devs/publishers out there to buy from. Well, if they didn't care about what fans wanted then BioWare's wouldn't have gotten a game with amateur juvenile writing, patched in romances and the well animated sex scenes, that game being Andromeda. Oh shut the hell up already.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 26, 2017 23:52:23 GMT
Well, if they didn't care about what fans wanted then BioWare's wouldn't have gotten a game with amateur juvenile writing, patched in romances and the well animated sex scenes, that game being Andromeda. Oh shut the hell up already. Oh shut the hell up already.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Oct 26, 2017 23:52:54 GMT
Well, if they didn't care about what fans wanted then BioWare's wouldn't have gotten a game with amateur juvenile writing, patched in romances and the well animated sex scenes, that game being Andromeda. Oh shut the hell up already. Clearly you don't have the social skills to actually be part of society. But please give more of yours tears.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Oct 27, 2017 0:53:12 GMT
Uff... que agradable sujeto. Se puede ver a 4000 kms de distancia que las muertes son tanto de agentes del estado, como de los extremistas opositores. Tu propaganda estatal no llega a esta parte del mundo (dudo que salga de Venezuela), no he dicho que tu país es un arco iris tampoco. PD: anda a votar a la próxima. Solo un ignorante como tu pretende que se puede votar legitimamente en este pais. Deja de hablar tanta mierda y si tienes pruebas de asesinatos por "extremistas opositores" comparados con las muertes cometidas por un estado opresor, ofrecelas. Claro que lo dudo, ya que dices que nada sale de Venezuela sin embargo pareces tener mucho conocimiento de lo que pasa en este pais. La cantidad de basura que debes consumir pa que salga tanta diarrea. Es gracias a sucios extranjeros izquierdistas como tu y los Cubanos Castristas que la realidad de este pais es pervertida. Oposicion - Oposicion v2Estado - Estado v2No dije que nada sale de Venezuela, Dije TEXTUALMENTE que la propaganda estatal no sale de sus fronteras. Tu forma de expresarte y tus respuestas con poco contenido reflejan el odio que ha dejado la violencia política en ti, como mencionaba en mi primer post. Mis tendencias políticas son de centro-izquierda, Difícilmente compatibles con el proyecto Chavista-madurista.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 27, 2017 0:57:33 GMT
Ah, Google Translate is a puta.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 27, 2017 1:02:41 GMT
Odin's blood! What's with the Spanish in this thread.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 27, 2017 1:05:27 GMT
Odin's blood! What's with the Spanish in this thread. I think it is their way of trying to not be offtopic while discussing this thing of theirs. I only did it to ask them to take it somewhere else.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Oct 27, 2017 1:06:06 GMT
ehm...
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Oct 27, 2017 3:34:44 GMT
Oh shut the hell up already. Clearly you don't have the social skills to actually be part of society. But please give more of yours tears. Keep running your mouth
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