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Post by phoray on Nov 29, 2017 14:18:35 GMT
SAM stole the spotlight from too many people to the point that SAM may as well have been the protagonist, and Ryder just his meat puppet. I hope MEA2 severs his connection from Ryder, and let's him go control the Vault Network or something. I forgot the "replace it with." But I don't have t replace SAM with anyone, there was literally several people on board who would have an actual purpose now if SAM left. Suvi and the Salarian would just get their jobs back and stop being pretty paper weights on the bridge.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 29, 2017 14:36:45 GMT
SAM stole the spotlight from too many people to the point that SAM may as well have been the protagonist, and Ryder just his meat puppet. I hope MEA2 severs his connection from Ryder, and let's him go control the Vault Network or something. I forgot the "replace it with." But I don't have t replace SAM with anyone, there was literally several people on board who would have an actual purpose now if SAM left. Suvi and the Salarian would just get their jobs back and stop being pretty paper weights on the bridge. Could've just make it combat/hacking machine leaving linguistics/xenobiology/astronomy/criminology/navigation/archeology to specialists. Although real AI would indeed be better at everything. That's why friendly AI doesn't make a favor to a plot. Do you hear me, Mac? Let it go already. I'll accept Synthesis as best ending in videogame industry if you do. Just stop it.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 29, 2017 16:14:09 GMT
I don't see how we unring the AI bell in the MEU. It's part of the setting.
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Post by phoray on Nov 29, 2017 18:40:16 GMT
I don't see how we unring the AI bell in the MEU. It's part of the setting. But we should remove it from Ryder's head.
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Post by tacsear on Nov 29, 2017 19:06:09 GMT
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Post by stealthfox94 on Nov 29, 2017 20:15:32 GMT
I don't see how we unring the AI bell in the MEU. It's part of the setting. But we should remove it from Ryder's head. Agreed, that was dumb. I would hate having that thing in my head.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 29, 2017 23:03:58 GMT
Replace everything with a fix for ME3's ending.
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Post by guanxi on Nov 30, 2017 7:01:17 GMT
I don't see how we unring the AI bell in the MEU. It's part of the setting. SAM as a pre-synthesis AI completely undermines the lore, so Alec Ryder alone can solve a problem the Reapers and every civilization ever couldn't since the beginning of time? So the supposedly required sacrifice we were asked to make (synthesis) in order to bridge the hereto do unsolvable organic-synthetic divide and the only way to ensure our collective survival were completely unnecessary?
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 30, 2017 7:28:27 GMT
I don't see how we unring the AI bell in the MEU. It's part of the setting. SAM as a pre-synthesis AI completely undermines the lore, so Alec Ryder alone can solve a problem the Reapers and every civilization ever couldn't since the beginning of time? So the supposedly required sacrifice we were asked to make (synthesis) in order to bridge the hereto do unsolvable organic-synthetic divide and the only way to ensure our collective survival were completely unnecessary? Eh, I don't want to start Ending discussion, but Synthesis' catch is that it happens to everyone simultaneously. The technology and organic-AI hybrids were there for a while, see Zha'til, Saren, Project Overlord and Collectors for reference.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Nov 30, 2017 12:27:38 GMT
How we've gone from mechanical eldrich abominations to some puny boneheaded freaks smh...
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Post by stealthfox94 on Nov 30, 2017 15:46:11 GMT
It's not really about what should be removed, but what should be added. The game is very poor on new races and characters. Between kett, angara and squadmates, I can't decide which are more useless I think I would remove Liam because he is the worst character ever written by Bioware and replace him with a mute-deaf human oh stawp
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 30, 2017 15:52:57 GMT
I thought of something else that needs to go: The Scourge. Completely unnecessary MacGuffin on top of a pile of MacGuffins. There are so many other ways the 600 year fall of the golden worlds could have been explained, like, the Kett messing with Remtech, or two factions of Remnant fighting each other into ruin, or synthesis of the angara messed something up, or the Gaia hypothesis ex terra resisting the Remnant terraforming (though, I guess the Scourge might be just that), etc.
The loss and scattering of the Arks could be explained away by navigation errors, or Kett attacks, or Cerberus sabotage, or just about anything else than the Scourge.
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Nov 30, 2017 23:45:14 GMT
* Kaetus: He's unnecessary. He turns a great character in Sloane Kelly into an unimaginative Aria redux. Aside from that, Sloane's relationship with him is toxic. Should have kept Irida from Uprising. She would have created palpable conflict within the Outcasts and been a better friendemy for Sloane than Reyes. As far as an LI for her, keep her single and add her as a fling option or give her to Addison. She straight up says she left no one/nothing behind in the Milky Way. She would have changed so drastically after the issues with the Nexus that it makes little sense that an old romantic relationship would be relevant.
I find Addison to be a better potential LI for her in that these two characters have a Jack/Miranda dynamic: They strive to improve each other, and challenge each other in an amusingly healthy way. Plus having the Director of Colonial Affairs have an ongoing affair with the leader of the Outcasts (and vice versa) would be some soap opera fun.
If Sloane dies, it creates an element of tragedy for Addison which would further cement her as a jaded, brokenhearted anti-hero and add empathy for her abrasiveness.
* The Archon: As an adversary...snooze. I preferred the Initiative/Angara infighting to this guy. I also agree that the Kett are really bland.
Spender and the Roekarr were better adversaries. OR Vehn Terev should have been kept alive. Angara soldier willfully turning over his own kind to the Kett? It would have been far more cathartic to go after this guy. Especially if he were made into a Kai Leng.
* Sergeant Talini: She figured prominently in Nexus Uprising. Where is she in the game? I liked her. I would rather have her on the Tempest than Liam.
* Hakim Barakat: Keri's producer. I personally think that his presence is just to create a random NPC eyesore behind Ryder or Keri during the Path of a hero cut scenes, or push Ryder out of the way through forced character pathing after Keri's interview is over. She admits she does her own editing, and isn't the thing on her shoulder her camera? Why is he there?
He gives -a- quest that could have been handled through oh uh Keri sending Ryder a panicked letter, Kandros, Davis, or have someone on the Tempest like Cora or Vetra say, "You need to check on Keri."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 8:36:41 GMT
My choice was something else. I would remove the instant learning of angara/kett languages and add some sort of quest/plot line to actually learn the language. This is the thing that bugs me most in this game.
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Post by 10k on Dec 2, 2017 17:04:25 GMT
Remnant/vault gimmick. Press the button - fix a planet - repeat. Cheap, deus-ex y (sorry for that word) and unrewarding. Not to mention a little detail - scourge supposedly broke these planets because it's attracted to remtech and we fix it by activating, that's right, remtech. What could possibly go wrong? I would remove ryder. I think if we had a protagonist with an actual personality, I'd enjoy the game more I think. Every dialogue option sound exactly the same, it was just the tone in the delivery which was different. But that's the thing, they had personality. As you say yourself in next sentence this personality is pretty much there no matter what you do. Every dialogue option you picked felt like they said the same exact thing, just with a different tone of voice. Different tone =/= personality
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 2, 2017 18:18:32 GMT
How we've gone from mechanical eldrich abominations to some puny boneheaded freaks smh... Well, a Borg ripoff is a better fit for what's nominally SF than eldritch abominations, which come from a different genre altogether. Whether the kett worked or not is another question.
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Post by Hawke on Dec 2, 2017 21:13:03 GMT
I'd prefer less VA (none for the avatar, ideally) and more dialogue options; more melee combo attacks (currently there are 3 - stab, running stab, jumping attack; neither can be linked into a combo).
I guess, open-world and collectibles are an important part of the "exploration" story line, so it'd unreasonable to remove them.
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Post by majesticjazz on Dec 3, 2017 5:42:11 GMT
Kett followed by Ryder's tone
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Post by mannyray on Dec 3, 2017 15:16:18 GMT
How we've gone from mechanical eldrich abominations to some puny boneheaded freaks smh... Well, a Borg ripoff is a better fit for what's nominally SF than eldritch abominations, which come from a different genre altogether. Whether the kett worked or not is another question. Actually, the reapers being the metal-and-science manifestation of Lovecraftian monsters is what made them a fresher than they otherwise would have been and certainly moreso than the Kett. As far as yet another borg ripoff being better than that, I guess it comes down to personal taste, although given how many Borg ripoffs there have been in SF across games, films, etc. I don't see how.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 3, 2017 17:30:34 GMT
I thought the Reapers were more incoherent than fresh. Their operation made no rational sense. I don't think that works in SF. YMMV.
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Post by vonuber on Dec 3, 2017 20:36:32 GMT
I would remove the Kett and have the Scourge as the enemy. Some type of biological life form that slowly takes over systems - you could even have it having hallucinatory effects to drive people mad. The vaults / remnant could have been a lost species attempt to fight back. And failing. I just found the Kett to be rather bleh. The lack of variation in character models didn't help, nor did the fact that they were rarely a threat.
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Dec 4, 2017 6:06:03 GMT
Liam. Irresponsible mutherfucker.
Oh, I forgot to say what I"d replace Liam with.
A Quarian?
Edibot?
Conrad Verner?
A potato?
Whatever...
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Post by thelonelypoet on Dec 4, 2017 7:05:38 GMT
Removing a plot or a character won't help, it just adds more emptiness to the game which was already quite silent from time to time.
I would only add things:
- More options to make the planets liveable. Real science, and seeing the cities and villages to expand and have more visitors, new technology, changes. - A real crew to our ship. - Longer lifespan for my daddy-o. - Brother/sissy as a squadmate - Discussion about the revelations of the Reapers and the possibility of destruction of your homeworld, GODDAMNIT WTH. - The missing Arks - The Jien Garson story (honestly, this game didn't reward my searching, this mystery was actually one of the most interesting ones) - A real ending with the revelations of origin of the Scourge and was it Jaarlan? - MORE MUSIC. - Right movements to the eyes of Salarians - More muscle to Turians and better shading to their skulls
Okay, I would remove one thing: - No shuttle travel between the systems. It is impossible.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 4, 2017 20:18:27 GMT
There are so many things it's hard to pick just one.
But I suppose, the Andromeda setting in general. If they wanted a clean slate, they should have bit the bullet perform a hard reboot, and set the game in a remote cluster of the Milky Way..
Edit: SAM would be my #2 choice, I think. I suspect Mac Walters REALLY wants to do an AI protagonist in a future game.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 5, 2017 1:55:42 GMT
If you're hard rebooting, why bother moving to a remote cluster?
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