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Post by shechinah on Dec 5, 2017 16:22:43 GMT
I'd say the kett but not as in removed entirely. I'd like for the kett to have either been the actual allies or for them to pretend to be allies instead of them immediately being the bad guys. In the case of the former, it'd have been an interesting subversion of the Beauty Equals Goodness trope. In the case of the latter, it'd have made for an interesting story and it honestly seems a waste of potential that this wasn't how it went down since it's an interesting modus operandi.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 18:32:48 GMT
Hard to decide between the Kett and SAM.
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Post by traks on Dec 5, 2017 19:06:05 GMT
Something else. It's the loyalty missions in MEA for me when it comes to a plot element (because they tonally don't fit with the narration of the main arc) and the exiles/Kadara when it comes to a faction/location (because the narration flows much better when ignoring that part). Luckily I can basically ignore the LMs as well as Kadara.
What would I add? More wonder and excitement, more help- and loneliness deep in space, more alien places and creatures, different wildlife on different planets (otherwise it can feel like different regions on the same planet).
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Post by vallixas on Dec 6, 2017 15:30:42 GMT
After revisting the game multiple times with different party setups on every location/mission, here is my updated opinion.
Ryder - He's not actually THAT bad, certainly more personality than Shep and better than Sole from Fallout 4, he deserves another shot.
Drack - Keep, he's as good as Wrex
Peebee - She's decent, but her loyalty mission rubbed me the wrong way. An apology via email is not enough to make up for risking other people's lives. If she returns she's gonna have to do a lot of maturing. Her whole loyalty mission in general was poorly written and inconsistent. You can launch a grown man several feet in the air but can't gravity a small device lol.
Liam - Sometimes I think he's alright, other times he just plain sucks. Does dumb shit, says dumb shit. He really has no place on the team, doesn't really offer anything and could be replaced by any random character. I can't even bang em, he's useless. I'll say for a sequel? please for the love of god give this character to someone else to write. Dude who wrote Kaidan, should not be writing squadmates ffs.
Vetra - Keep, she's not Garrus, but she's decent enough.
Jaal - Keep, give him a better writer though so he doesn't seem like his personality is shifting back and forth between Javik and Garrus.
Cora - Like Liam, she needs a better writer. I don't want her talking my ear off in Andromeda 2 about her huntress manuals. Bioware, you can make a human interesting without giving alien culture to them. ME2 did it just fine, except for Jacob.
Gil - Remove him from the premises.
Suvi - Meh
Kallo - Meh
Kett - They're boring, ditch em.
Sam - Give him a mute button ffs. One of my biggest gripes in Andromeda is him talking every time I drive in shade. He tends to cut off story relevant and companion dialogue. We have a big ass notification in the middle of the screen telling us the temperature we're in. We don't need him saying it every damn time.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 7, 2017 3:50:19 GMT
I voted "kett" but specifically I'd replace the Archon. What a comically awful villain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 22:10:29 GMT
Would remove Andromeda. Set it in The Milky Way, after ME3. Colonize and rebuild, without Mass Relays.
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Post by souljahbill14 on Dec 12, 2017 22:43:22 GMT
I’m assuming everyone who hates Kett hates Collectors for the same reasons, right?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 12, 2017 22:48:23 GMT
Voted Ryder. Replace Ryder with Doomslayer and rip and tear shit up! (oh, and add a Glory Kill where you rip the Archon's spine out of his ass).
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Post by cypherj on Dec 13, 2017 4:30:06 GMT
I’m assuming everyone who hates Kett hates Collectors for the same reasons, right? No. The collectors were built up as something to fear, something formidable in ME2 from the very beginning when they destroyed your ship and killed you. Then throughout the game you snuck onto the collector ships or into their bases and escaped, running away in one instance just before the collector ship arrived. Your goal in the game was to get stronger to even things out when you fought them again. The Collectors were also able to keep their stature throughout the game because the game used other groups as the random fodder enemies like mercs, and geth. Collectors were reserved for story missions only so they didn't come across as so generic and weak with you killing them in droves everywhere you went. In Andromeda, from the first scene where your recon squad overran an entire Kett garrison, you curb stomped the Kett all game, they offered you no setbacks. You took the first vault, took the Salarian arc back while overrunning the Archon's flagship, and took their exaltation facility. Kett were the fodder enemies throughout the game as well, making them look even more generic and weak. I won't even go into a group of exiles with no ships and limited resources in a fledgling colony expelling the Kett from the planet and putting their heads up on spikes as trophies. The Archon was never someone I could take seriously, and the Kett were never built to be anything formidable or anything to fear, more the opposite.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 14, 2017 12:30:23 GMT
I'd remove open world. I hate grinding the endless horizon looking for things to do. Just give me a good seamless stream of plot to keep me going like in the original Mass Effects. Sucks having just four or five core missions with the rest of the game just wandering planets with filler fetch quests. The completionist in me forces me to do all the nitty gritty fetch quests too, so it's such a bore and feels like a chore. Or, just remove the Andromeda galaxy and replace it with the Milky Way.
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 14, 2017 12:41:39 GMT
I’m assuming everyone who hates Kett hates Collectors for the same reasons, right? In Andromeda, from the first scene where your recon squad overran an entire Kett garrison, you curb stomped the Kett all game, they offered you no setbacks. You took the first vault, took the Salarian arc back while overrunning the Archon's flagship, and took their exaltation facility. Kett were the fodder enemies throughout the game as well, making them look even more generic and weak. I won't even go into a group of exiles with no ships and limited resources in a fledgling colony expelling the Kett from the planet and putting their heads up on spikes as trophies. The Archon was never someone I could take seriously, and the Kett were never built to be anything formidable or anything to fear, more the opposite. Hmph, not that you are wrong on Kett being owned at every occasion, but they still were supposed to be a threat, which consumed dozens of species already. It's just that a failure was a no-go in story. It's an adventure, you know, a hero can be hit but never can lose. Or, just remove the Andromeda galaxy and replace it with the Milky Way. Having two Milky Ways in one universe would be outright creepy.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 14, 2017 12:56:29 GMT
Or, just remove the Andromeda galaxy and replace it with the Milky Way. Having two Milky Ways in one universe would be outright creepy. Lol?!? That was not at all what I was implying. That would be too similar to . Ain't got time fo dat
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 14, 2017 13:08:33 GMT
Having two Milky Ways in one universe would be outright creepy. Lol?!? That was not at all what I was implying. That would be too similar to Ain't got time fo dat I was picking on your phrasing. My sense of humor was never good, so pardon me.
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Post by cypherj on Dec 14, 2017 14:02:34 GMT
In Andromeda, from the first scene where your recon squad overran an entire Kett garrison, you curb stomped the Kett all game, they offered you no setbacks. You took the first vault, took the Salarian arc back while overrunning the Archon's flagship, and took their exaltation facility. Kett were the fodder enemies throughout the game as well, making them look even more generic and weak. I won't even go into a group of exiles with no ships and limited resources in a fledgling colony expelling the Kett from the planet and putting their heads up on spikes as trophies. The Archon was never someone I could take seriously, and the Kett were never built to be anything formidable or anything to fear, more the opposite. Hmph, not that you are wrong on Kett being owned at every occasion, but they still were supposed to be a threat, which consumed dozens of species already. It's just that a failure was a no-go in story. It's an adventure, you know, a hero can be hit but never can lose You can't just tell players that something is a threat, but have the actual portrayal be something completely different. They failed in gameplay and in story portrayal. Look at the other ME games. ME:1 - Saren was a step ahead of Shepard all game. Tried to blow up Eden Prime, killed a Spectre and then came back and bold faced lied to the council when you tried to call him on it. Then by the time you got the evidence, he had escaped. He was first to get the cipher, first to to get to Ilos and go through the conduit and succeeded in droping the CItadel defenses. Even after the boss fight on Virmire, he grabs you by the neck and tosses you up like a ragdoll. Additionally from Virmire on, Sovereign establishes the reapers as a huge threat to the point where you're not even thinking about defeating them, you're trying to keep them from reaching the MW at all. ME:2 - See comments from my previous post about the collectors. ME:3 - Reapers come in during the prologue and set the tone for the entire game. Then every time you talk to Anderson or Garrus they may talk about small victories here and there, and how they're hanging in, but they both always end up saying there's no chance of winning like this. Then you have Thessia and the other story missions, one of which where is took an Armada to bring down one reaper. Now ME:A - Nothing. Nothing in how they were portrayed during the game lead you to believe they were anything to be taken seriously. And the saddest part is how easily this could have been remedied. - If your father had to die, why not have him die securing your escape on Habitat 7 as the Kett proved too formidable? If the Kett killed your father, it would have been like the Cousland origin in DA:O, where I was looking for Arl Howe all game. It wouldn't even have changed the story much. If the Turian could get the SAM implant from the SAM node, then so could Ryder. Just make it so that Alec rigged it so that only one of his kids could access it. Everything works out exactly the same. - Have the Angarans take Ryder to a planet farther into the cluster where the Kett are fully in control. Where you can see their dominance, brutality, cruelty, and see what could happen if the Kett get full control of the Helius Cluster. Show me what I'm dealing with. - Have conversations with Kett commanders about how things are going in different parts of the cluster, where they're losing ground and planets to the Kett. Give the player something. The Kadera story line really just destroyed what ever little respect I had at the time after learning they killed the first colonists on Eos. No way anything like that should have even been remotely possible.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 14, 2017 17:14:35 GMT
Having two Milky Ways in one universe would be outright creepy. Lol?!? That was not at all what I was implying. That would be too similar to . Ain't got time fo dat Creepy movie!! I loved it
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 18, 2017 5:43:36 GMT
HMMM What to remove.... Well that is obvious: The Dyson Sphere obscenity: Meridian. Should have kept it an artificial world just not an inverted sphere! This is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A HALO RIPOFF -but that is what we got.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 18, 2017 7:32:20 GMT
Meh. Star Trek had a Dyson sphere years before Halo.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 18, 2017 7:58:18 GMT
Meh. Star Trek had a Dyson sphere years before Halo. Yeah. At least Star Trek used Dyson Spheres right and not inverted!
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Post by Artemis on Dec 18, 2017 8:03:25 GMT
Meh. Star Trek had a Dyson sphere years before Halo. That episode was a major let down though. Unless Dyson spheres appeared more than once in Trek.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 18, 2017 8:21:55 GMT
Meh. Star Trek had a Dyson sphere years before Halo. That episode was a major let down though. Unless Dyson spheres appeared more than once in Trek. Unless you count Star Trek Online then not to my knowledge.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 18, 2017 9:50:27 GMT
Meh. Star Trek had a Dyson sphere years before Halo. Yeah. At least Star Trek used Dyson Spheres right and not inverted! What's wrong with inverted? The Trek sphere was inverted too. It's kind of the key feature of the thing.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 18, 2017 10:32:10 GMT
Yeah. At least Star Trek used Dyson Spheres right and not inverted! What's wrong with inverted? The Trek sphere was inverted too. It's kind of the key feature of the thing. Not that... There is no real star in the Meridian Dyson Sphere. It is nothing more than glorified lamp post(S). Or didn't you see that the top of those tall towers that go out of frame on Meridian is where the light was emanating from not a central star? Though I will give the Jardaan credit to create such powerful lamp posts but still.... That is what I meant by inverted not a real Dyson Sphere without a real star.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 10:57:34 GMT
Lol?!? That was not at all what I was implying. That would be too similar to Ain't got time fo dat Creepy movie!! I loved it I loved how this movie began. The music they used is called "The First Time I saw Jupiter" and that image of Jupiter they used. It was all very good for me. It got pretty creepy afterward, but whatever.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 18, 2017 11:47:08 GMT
Creepy movie!! I loved it I loved how this movie began. The music they used is called "The First Time I saw Jupiter" and that image of Jupiter they used. It was all very good for me. It got pretty creepy afterward, but whatever.
Want creepy? Listen to the ACTUAL SOUND of the planets: Jupiter starts at about 3:30. Saturn (6:10) though always beats all... creepiest that is... almost makes me think: How do we know there is not intelligent life watching us from Saturn???
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 18, 2017 12:01:02 GMT
I loved how this movie began. The music they used is called "The First Time I saw Jupiter" and that image of Jupiter they used. It was all very good for me. It got pretty creepy afterward, but whatever.
Want creepy? Listen to the ACTUAL SOUND of the planets: Jupiter starts at about 3:30. Saturn (6:10) though always beats all... creepiest that is... almost makes me think: How do we know there is not intelligent life watching us from Saturn??? Uhm, what this "actual sound" is supposed to mean?
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