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Post by Iakus on Jul 19, 2022 17:14:30 GMT
I'm thinking the Ring's of Power" show is going to be what setting a billion dollars on fire looks like...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 21:38:01 GMT
I simply refuse to watch it.
It worked for The Hobbit.
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I have had enough with hacks tarnishing the work of their betters, and getting rich as a result is insult to injury. I actually despise modern screenwriters, as a group they are bereft of creativity. Jordan Peele and maybe Christopher Nolan are making interesting work, otherwise it is so much milquetoast.
The books remain far better than anything they put on screen at any point. This is to be expected, but I never enjoyed PJs LoTR finding every discretion he made a bad decision. BezosBux will not save this and I sincerely hope it is a massive failure.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 19, 2022 22:00:31 GMT
I simply refuse to watch it. It worked for The Hobbit. ... I have had enough with hacks tarnishing the work of their betters, and getting rich as a result is insult to injury. I actually despise modern screenwriters, a s a group they are bereft of creativity. Jordan Peele and maybe Christopher Nolan are making interesting work, otherwise it is so much milquetoast. The books remain far better than anything they put on screen at any point. This is to be expected, but I never enjoyed PJs LoTR finding every discretion he made a bad decision. BezosBux will not save this and I sincerely hope it is a massive failure. Creativity in a generic sense? Or in a 'setting' sense? If it is 'generic'; as in modern writers have no new ideas and no creativity at all, I'll just disagree and leave it at that. If you're referring to the endless dives into Tolkein, DC/Marvel or other pre-existing IPs, though (Wheel of Time - probably the favourite story of my twenties - also received BezosBux to mixed results), then are we sure that is a problem with the writers and not with the producers and studios who're unwilling to take chances on unknowns? Nolan is a super director who can get studios to write him blank cheques for new ideas. Peele's work is - relatively speaking - dirt cheap to produce. When every studio is looking for the next Avengers (in movies) or Game of Thrones (in TV), true creativity will probable struggle to get a look in at the price point they need to translate effectively from page to screen. -- And yeah - not interested in this show at all. Not because 'it doesn't follow the books', or anything like that. Don't care. I also haven't watched the Hobbit movies. I'm still in hiding from the New Zealand government because of it. Lord of the Rings movies were something different. I otherwise do not care for Tolkein's setting. Too much like studying for a real life history test.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 20, 2022 18:55:25 GMT
I'm looking forward to the explanation behind Galadriel having a still surviving brother because Tolkien was forthcoming about their deaths (supposed to be reincarnated in Valinor), and Galadriel's entire family tree is known.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 20, 2022 19:27:13 GMT
I'm looking forward to the explanation behind Galadriel having a still surviving brother because Tolkien was forthcoming about their deaths (supposed to be reincarnated in Valinor), and Galadriel's entire family tree is known.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 24, 2022 7:45:05 GMT
I otherwise do not care for Tolkein's setting. Too much like studying for a real life history test. Which at least shows you get what he was trying to do; he was trying to create the mythological history that the English had lost. The Celtic nations still have their own unique mythology, although they have frequently been subverted by later generations who think they can do better, which is really only what is happening with Tolkien. As you say, the simplest thing for a Tolkien purist to do is not watch the series and treat it in the same way as the umpteen "re-imaginings" of the Arthurian legends. If the series encourages new people to actually read Tolkien's works then they will discover for themselves what his world is really like. If, like you, they find this daunting then they never will. The only time I find this mildly annoying is when someone who has only watched the original movies, or even simply played the video games, starts to lecture me on aspects of Tolkien's world that have been gained from these sources that contradicts what is actually in his original works. On the whole, though, rather than getting into a argument, I just politely suggest that they read the source material. However, I do think the people behind the TV series who keep going on how they are bringing Tolkien up to date with the modern world so it reflects what modern audiences expect to see, should remember that it was not written as an allegory of the world around Tolkien as he expressly states in the forward to Lord of the Rings. "As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical." He makes this point particularly because some people thought that since it was largely written during the time of WW2, that this had influenced how the story developed, which he denies. Actually, for people like myself, the main attraction of Middle Earth is that it is so completely removed from the world that I know. This has probably been true throughout history when people sat down by the fireside to listen to the legends of their ancestors.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 24, 2022 16:06:35 GMT
That's the major problem, the creators believe that a timeless classic like LOTR needs to be "modernized" nevermind the fact that LOTR's message is exactly what modern society needs to hear today.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 24, 2022 21:04:24 GMT
If, like you, they find this daunting then they never will. The only time I find this mildly annoying is when someone who has only watched the original movies, or even simply played the video games, starts to lecture me on aspects of Tolkien's world that have been gained from these sources that contradicts what is actually in his original works. On the whole, though, rather than getting into a argument, I just politely suggest that they read the source material. Oh, I am definitely not going to get into an argument over lore or anything in that space with you, gervaise. I know when I am bettered. I may have mislead you with my post, though - I have read LotR (3 times in High School) and the Hobbit once. Didn't like the Hobbit much, as I recall, but enjoyed LotR well enough (to do 2 re-reads, at least). It wasn't a criticism of the books. Or even of the setting. I actually do like it. I just don't "care". In the same vein of, I like the Song of Ice and Fire books and the setting. I just don't care that things were changed for the TV adaptation. People who're adapting a 'thing' need to have the creative license to make changes as needed to tell the story they're interested in telling. I pondered briefly before posting but I can't think of a single book (or comic) to film/TV adaptation that has both not changed or taken liberties with a single aspect of the setting or story AND also been critically and commercially successful. Not even Jacksons LotR movies were page-to-frame translations. A lot was left out, as I recall. My point is, making adaptations of these stories require a lot of money. In order to have that money they need ongoing success. In order to have ongoing success they need to make it as widely appealing as possible. Tolkein rightly occupies rarefied air in the literary space. But what works well on the written page does not necessarily work so well (or at all) on the screen (big or small). We won't know why some changes were made until we see the show, I suppose, but changes were always entirely inevitable.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 24, 2022 22:19:50 GMT
Another day, another classic franchise butchered by modern Hollywood. I would be angry about it but this seems to be a trend these days.
Plus they spent what, a billion on this crap heap? Lol, good luck getting a tenth of THAT back. 😄😄😄😄😄😄
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 25, 2022 0:57:51 GMT
gervaise21 - Has anyone figured out how big Ancalagon is because Tolkien didn't give an exact measurement while the fan made size chart comparisons seem all over the place like the pic below? The only statements regarding his size iirc was him taking out 3 volcanos (taller than Misty Mountains) when he fell, and him coming out of Angband's depths which should be bigger than Moria's.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 25, 2022 4:27:21 GMT
Another day, another classic franchise butchered by modern Hollywood. I would be angry about it but this seems to be a trend these days. Plus they spent what, a billion on this crap heap? Lol, good luck getting a tenth of THAT back. 😄😄😄😄😄😄
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 25, 2022 5:50:08 GMT
Another day, another classic franchise butchered by modern Hollywood. I would be angry about it but this seems to be a trend these days. Plus they spent what, a billion on this crap heap? Lol, good luck getting a tenth of THAT back. 😄😄😄😄😄😄 That they like being homeless? 😄 (From personal experience, that's the worst thing you can go through).
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 25, 2022 9:34:59 GMT
Not even Jacksons LotR movies were page-to-frame translations. A lot was left out, as I recall. Yes, and they did make some major changes to the narrative as well, which no doubt some purists objected to at the time but social media wasn't a thing then so it was more a case of seeing the odd article or talking with other people about their take on it. I was okay with some of the changes and not so keen on others but overall it didn't spoil my enjoyment of the whole. It became a Christmas tradition at the time for our family to go and see the next installment when it was released and it was something we looked forward to at that time of the year. The Hobbit was a different case entirely, although Jackson wasn't entirely responsible for that travesty since he was brought in after the original director dropped out and basically had to make the best of what he had to work with. Nevertheless, it always seemed a bit dubious how a comparatively short novel was going to be made into three whole films. Like you I never took to the Hobbit as I did LoTR but I could see the potential for it as a single film or at the most two, depending on the length of each. We had doubts after seeing the first part and abandoned it after the second, not feeling the final part was going to be worth parting with our hard earned cash. I eventually caught up with the Battle of the Five Armies on TV out of curiosity and it confirmed our original decision concerning the cinema release. So, at present, I could see the TV series going either way. It is clear they have changed things and condensed the timeline radically but it could still be okay as adaptations go. As you rightly say, adaptations are rarely totally faithful to the original work, although it has got worse in recent years. The BBC used to be a organisation you could rely on to produce something pretty close to the original, usually as a series rather than a one off film, but this is no longer the case. Sometimes it is amusing to watch them simply to spot how many changes have been made and speculate why the script writer did this. It also made an interesting topic of conversation with my students who were Tolkien fans but since my retirement I am restricted to my own family.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 25, 2022 9:57:31 GMT
Has anyone figured out how big Ancalagon is because Tolkien didn't give an exact measurement I think Tolkien was not specific with measurements on purpose. Essentially Ancalagon was BIG and considering he was not the only dragon to be released from the depths of Angband, it had to be a pretty big area they had been contained in. The fact that his fall destroyed of greater part of the fortress of Thangorodrim above ground does suggest he was much larger than later dragons, such as Smaug, who was large enough considering his fall destroyed Lake Town. Essentially, everything seemed bigger in the First Age.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 25, 2022 12:12:21 GMT
Not even Jacksons LotR movies were page-to-frame translations. A lot was left out, as I recall. Yes, and they did make some major changes to the narrative as well, which no doubt some purists objected to at the time but social media wasn't a thing then so it was more a case of seeing the odd article or talking with other people about their take on it. I was okay with some of the changes and not so keen on others but overall it didn't spoil my enjoyment of the whole. It became a Christmas tradition at the time for our family to go and see the next installment when it was released and it was something we looked forward to at that time of the year. The Hobbit was a different case entirely, although Jackson wasn't entirely responsible for that travesty since he was brought in after the original director dropped out and basically had to make the best of what he had to work with. Nevertheless, it always seemed a bit dubious how a comparatively short novel was going to be made into three whole films. Like you I never took to the Hobbit as I did LoTR but I could see the potential for it as a single film or at the most two, depending on the length of each. We had doubts after seeing the first part and abandoned it after the second, not feeling the final part was going to be worth parting with our hard earned cash. I eventually caught up with the Battle of the Five Armies on TV out of curiosity and it confirmed our original decision concerning the cinema release. So, at present, I could see the TV series going either way. It is clear they have changed things and condensed the timeline radically but it could still be okay as adaptations go. As you rightly say, adaptations are rarely totally faithful to the original work, although it has got worse in recent years. The BBC used to be a organisation you could rely on to produce something pretty close to the original, usually as a series rather than a one off film, but this is no longer the case. Sometimes it is amusing to watch them simply to spot how many changes have been made and speculate why the script writer did this. It also made an interesting topic of conversation with my students who were Tolkien fans but since my retirement I am restricted to my own family. Agreed, the Hobbit trilogy seemed like the studio only cared about cashing in on the franchise's renown at the expense of story cohesion and theme. In PJ's Lotr alone Tom's absence, the barrow wraith sequence, Glorfindel saving Frodo, Denethor's portrayal (lol), the liberation of the Shire (very important display of character growth for Hobbits), and Saruman's death were only some of what were omitted or changed. Has anyone figured out how big Ancalagon is because Tolkien didn't give an exact measurement I think Tolkien was not specific with measurements on purpose. Essentially Ancalagon was BIG and considering he was not the only dragon to be released from the depths of Angband, it had to be a pretty big area they had been contained in. The fact that his fall destroyed of greater part of the fortress of Thangorodrim above ground does suggest he was much larger than later dragons, such as Smaug, who was large enough considering his fall destroyed Lake Town. Essentially, everything seemed bigger in the First Age. Not just bigger but more powerful too like human, and elven heroes seemed like they could arm wrestle the Incredible Hulk and win. I also took issue with the pic i posted earlier because i remember Glaurung wasn't that big because he was able to enter the front gate of Finrod's city. If that fan chart is to be believed it's front gate had to be anywhere between 50-100m wide which is crazy.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 25, 2022 15:18:24 GMT
In PJ's Lotr alone Tom's absence, the barrow wraith sequence, Glorfindel saving Frodo, Denethor's portrayal (lol), the liberation of the Shire (very important display of character growth for Hobbits), and Saruman's death were only some of what were omitted or changed. Tom always seems to get left out. Many years ago the BBC did a 26 part (1 hour long each) series on the radio, with Ian Holme as Frodo, which is why I think he was cast as Bilbo in the LoTR trilogy. It was pretty good overall and did include the Scouring of the Shire but not Tom or the barrow wight, although it is easy to see why this section would be omitted. I didn't like what they did in the film with either Denethor or Faramir, whilst clearly they decided to give Arwen a bigger role than she has in the book, possibly because they felt they didn't need another named male elf character in Glorfindel. I wasn't happy how they had Elrond suddenly appear down south with Aragon's sword, instead of him having it from Rivendale, (how did Elrond manage to get there so quickly?) or that they omitted the confrontation through the palantir between Aragon and Sauron before the Paths of the Dead. On the whole, though, the changes weren't too jarring, apart from what they did with Saruman, which I gather Christopher Lee wasn't too happy about either, bearing in mind that he was a LoTR devotee himself. With the latest series, the problem is going to be as much about what they add in as what they leave out. Naturally, since it is based on the appendices rather than the narrative in the Silmarillion, they didn't have a great deal to work with, which will be their excuse for what they have created to fill the gaps. The compression of time is harder to justify. If you have a series called the Rings of Power, then focus on that part of the timeline and keep the action confined to Middle Earth rather than involving the later downfall of Numenor as well. Not all of the human ring bearers were from Numenor and those that were, likely were those who had already returned to colonise the south, but in any case that happened long before the characters from the island kingdom that have been showcased in the trailers and articles.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 25, 2022 20:51:52 GMT
So, at present, I could see the TV series going either way. This is certainly the truth. While I don't have any interest in the series, it is still something that I may check out later on, if I'm looking for something to watch and can't think of anything else. And my enjoyment, or lack thereof, will have exactly zero to do with how faithful it is to the source material. Robert Jordan is not in the same literary league as Tolkein, but I vastly prefer the Wheel of Time as a story to LotR. The recent - again Amazon - adaptation took many, many liberties. I can't think right now of any changes to characters, events or plot that I thought 'yes, this is better', but I was still able to enjoy the series as it's own thing.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 25, 2022 21:40:55 GMT
I don't recommend playing pvp centric mmos while trying to type. In PJ's Lotr alone Tom's absence, the barrow wraith sequence, Glorfindel saving Frodo, Denethor's portrayal (lol), the liberation of the Shire (very important display of character growth for Hobbits), and Saruman's death were only some of what were omitted or changed. Tom always seems to get left out. Many years ago the BBC did a 26 part (1 hour long each) series on the radio, with Ian Holme as Frodo, which is why I think he was cast as Bilbo in the LoTR trilogy. It was pretty good overall and did include the Scouring of the Shire but not Tom or the barrow wight, although it is easy to see why this section would be omitted. Thanks for this because i didn't know Holme had voiced Frodo previously. Also Tom once again gets little or no love. It seemed like Jackson had flandarized Denethor for cheap drama because the film's version of the character was just a petty, and poor ruler who was broken by the death of his favored child. It ignores his struggles with the palantir against Sauron which diminished his health, but he still had Gondor's best interests in mind when he called for aid from the Rohirrim, and Dunedain and when he mustered Tirith's defenses which is the opposite of his film version who needed Gandalf to do so. Good catch with Elrond, i can assume Jackson's reasoning is ''Elven horses are super fast stop questioning everything!''. Also Christopher Lee had to have been disappointed because the omission of the Scouring of The Shire had reduced not only his role but the character's depth too. The show will mostly seem like fanfiction due to all the original material the writers will have to plug in between referenced events. The potential issue i see is how the writers convey the passage of time between events like Pharazon departing for, and reaching the Undying Lands in an episode which would be jarring to tv-onlys without any added context. I'm interested in how they depict the impact the Numenorean conquest had on conquered societies like the Haradrim. The show has potential but i'm worried about it's scope, it's focus or lack of due to cast size, and the myriad of events that take place.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jul 29, 2022 22:54:38 GMT
god damn it, they're going to just completely shit all over the original material, even more than they did in the Hobbit, aren't they?
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 29, 2022 23:47:19 GMT
god damn it, they're going to just completely shit all over the original material, even more than they did in the Hobbit, aren't they? The era the show is covering wasn't fully explored by Tolkien so the show is basically fan fiction instead of it being a proper adaption, but i won't underestimate the showrunners' potential to introduce numerous retcons, and plot holes that conflicts with the lore from Tolkien's published works.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 29, 2022 23:58:24 GMT
god damn it, they're going to just completely shit all over the original material, even more than they did in the Hobbit, aren't they? Yup
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 30, 2022 0:46:33 GMT
god damn it, they're going to just completely shit all over the original material, even more than they did in the Hobbit, aren't they? The era the show is covering wasn't fully explored by Tolkien so the show is basically fan fiction instead of being a proper adaption, but i won't underestimate the showrunners' potential to introduce numerous retcons, and plot holes that conflicts with the lore from Tolkien's published works. You don't even have to place a bet on that happening. Hell, I'm betting that they're going to do what Shadow of War did with Shelob in that game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 30, 2022 17:34:38 GMT
The era the show is covering wasn't fully explored by Tolkien This would be true if they were only going to deal with the period when the rings were created and stayed in Middle Earth. However, they seem to be including a later era of Numenor as part of their compressed timeline and this was expanded on by Tolkien in his narrative of the downfall of that kingdom. Now it is entirely possible that they tried to buy the rights to his other works but this was refused. However, it is rather convenient that by only buying the rights to the LoTR and the appendices, they can use the limited detail in latter as justification for their own invented narrative. Essentially, if technically it doesn't contradict what Tolkien wrote because he didn't write very much (apart from compressing several thousand years into a few decades) they feel they are okay. The problem is that unless you maintain strict control through what the rights grant over any script produced, as Tolkien did whilst he was alive, Amazon were always going to do as they pleased with it. This is a risk that any author runs when they allow the rights to be sold out of their control.
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