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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 17:17:38 GMT
I just figure a decade or two in the Circle, completely cut off from society, has left the Inquisitor a bit clueless at times. I took it with my Inquisitor that he's not that clued out (he also had a few years on his own between the Circle and the conclave, but that's another story) — they've already been flirting enough that he's rather mad about Dorian, but Dorian still hasn't come right out and said he's gay. Therefore he's being sardonic as in you pick now to finally admit it?I romance Bull, so that's the only time in the entire game I flirt with Dorian. Like I said, my Inquisitor can be clueless.
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Post by Faust on Jan 3, 2018 18:00:19 GMT
Unfortunately I'm afraid you're the only one trying to have a conversation here. These others are merely bludgeoning you with their 'truths' - witness how they've already called you 'obtuse' for not agreeing with them... In any case, and for what it's worth, I get what you're saying about falling in love without physical attraction; once upon a time it used to be known as platonic love. However you're dealing with people who are so mired in identity politics they have no perspective about this and aren't interested in listening so... ‘It’s okay, but I appreciate the acceptance. I am just going to play DA2 when I feel like a bit of DA. Didn't know about that mod, but from what' I've seen on YT it doesn't look good and I don't like this character enough to ignore that. Bi-Dorian is still Dorian, you shouldnt mind what others think and enjoy romancing him with a female inq, especially if the romancing part of the games is what make you replay. "He's yours now".
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 3, 2018 18:01:23 GMT
‘It’s okay, but I appreciate the acceptance. I am just going to play DA2 when I feel like a bit of DA. Didn't know about that mod, but from what' I've seen on YT it doesn't look good and I don't like this character enough to ignore that. Bi-Dorian is still Dorian, you shouldnt mind what others think and enjoy romancing him with a female inq, especially if the romancing part of the games is what make you replay. "He's yours now". Fuck no he is not.
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Post by Faust on Jan 3, 2018 18:08:44 GMT
It doesn't change his dialogue options nor his quest. He's still Dorian, like Jaal is still Jaal.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2018 18:28:31 GMT
It doesn't change his dialogue options nor his quest.He's still Dorian, like Jaal is still Jaal. Take away Anders' magic. And don't change the dialogue...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 18:28:40 GMT
It doesn't change his dialogue options nor his quest. He's still Dorian, like Jaal is still Jaal. It is not reciprocal, and not the same. In case of Jaal, the unlocks came from BioWARE, because the authors were able to empathize with the players & understood that the gate was too rigid despite having initially written a womanizing character, etc. So, Jaal is bi in the game's canon even with the late introduction. Dorian can only be a AU LI for a female avatar, even if the mod application was less obvious. Dorian is a gay character & Jaal is a bi character.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 18:32:49 GMT
It doesn't change his dialogue options nor his quest.He's still Dorian, like Jaal is still Jaal. Take away Anders' magic. And don't change the dialogue... Well, to me it's more like give Anders an additional bow skill tree to develop if you feel like it. Nothing is taken away, but it visibly not canon.
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Post by pavellaning on Jan 3, 2018 18:44:39 GMT
Didn't know about that mod, but from what' I've seen on YT it doesn't look good and I don't like this character enough to ignore that. Bi-Dorian is still Dorian, you shouldnt mind what others think and enjoy romancing him with a female inq, especially if the romancing part of the games is what make you replay. "He's yours now". Fuck no he is not. Dorian is gay, gay, gay and is very happy with my Lavellans.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 18:49:27 GMT
Bi Dorian renders the blood ritual unnecessary. If it was just a matter of finding a different bride, Halward would never have resorted to blood magic. But he did because no bride would have worked. Only a groom would be acceptable.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 3, 2018 18:53:29 GMT
So suck it up and wait for the next game. The developers can guarantee an equal number of options for each orientation, but they can't guarantee that everyone will like their options. So true. I, as a straight woman, had the most options available to me, yet didn't like a single one of them. Them's the breaks.
I happily fell for the gay dude and happily made a guy for him. But if I hadn't, as with DAO, or hadn't wanted to make a male, I would have no romance. Dorian's friend arc is wonderfully touching and caring, and it is also something he needs in his life: a true, loyal, trusted friend that values him for who he is. When playing a female character, it's nice to be that for him. My first DAO play had no romance because I didn't know about them and didn't stumble into one. My current play is also sans romance of my own choosing. I don't feel there is any great loss. And I as a straight dude, was pretty content with my two choices. And still rolled a female Inquisitor just to see the Solas romance.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2018 19:13:27 GMT
Take away Anders' magic. And don't change the dialogue... Well, to me it's more like give Anders an additional bow skill tree to develop if you feel like it. Nothing is taken away, but it visibly not canon. I apologize.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 19:31:01 GMT
Bi Dorian renders the blood ritual unnecessary. If it was just a matter of finding a different bride, Halward would never have resorted to blood magic. But he did because no bride would have worked. Only a groom would be acceptable. I cannot see Dorian getting into an arranged loveless marriage just because it is with another man. I think he is one of those characters who needs happiness like air, very mercurial.
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Post by Faust on Jan 3, 2018 19:35:01 GMT
Mods allow the player to enjoy the game the way they want. In the bi-mod case, it doesn't change the dialogues and quests. You still know what the character is supposed to be. Bi-Dorian is still Dorian, Bi-Cullen is still Cullen.
You can have your own little fantasy, or simply avoid to play the whole game as the opposite sex just for one romance. Doesn't hurt anyone.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 19:38:47 GMT
Bi Dorian renders the blood ritual unnecessary. If it was just a matter of finding a different bride, Halward would never have resorted to blood magic. But he did because no bride would have worked. Only a groom would be acceptable. I cannot see Dorian getting into an arranged loveless marriage just because it is with another man. I think he is one of those characters who needs happiness like air, very mercurial. That doesn't change the fact that a man could be found that he would be compatible with, so the blood ritual would be unnecessary.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2018 19:48:12 GMT
Mods allow the player to enjoy the game the way they want. In the bi-mod case, it doesn't change the dialogues and quests. You still know what the character is supposed to be. Bi-Dorian is still Dorian, Bi-Cullen is still Cullen. You can have your own little fantasy, or simply avoid to play the whole game as the opposite sex just for one romance. Doesn't hurt anyone. Dorian's case is different in many viewpoints. And it's hurt. Not really that fact, that how people play at home, rather arguing, why that method's right. This is wrong and hurts people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 19:50:31 GMT
I cannot see Dorian getting into an arranged loveless marriage just because it is with another man. I think he is one of those characters who needs happiness like air, very mercurial. That doesn't change the fact that a man could be found that he would be compatible with, so the blood ritual would be unnecessary. His choices are limited not only to nobility, but to nobility with extremely strong magic talent, because Dorian himself for better or worse is a maverick. For example, Felix, even if he were available, will not qualify, as he is a weak mage. Blood magic or whatever magic would be necessary to merge the bloodlines, because Pavus Sr. does not simply insist on Dorian' getting hitched for the sake of having someone to look after him in his dotage, he insists on Dorian being a breeder. And from the father's character, probably a better breeder than himself. Dorian actually swears when he says "your legacy". He actively does not want to perpetuate Pavus' line and Tevinter way of going about marriage. The story of the amulet also plays into that narrative, and later in the game - his departure for Tevinter to take his father's place. Overall, I think his story has many layers of complexity, more than the other characters'. he is truly a fascinating man.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 19:55:37 GMT
That doesn't change the fact that a man could be found that he would be compatible with, so the blood ritual would be unnecessary. His choices are limited not only to nobility, but to nobility with extremely strong magic talent, because Dorian himself for better or worse is a maverick. For example, Felix, even if he were available, will not qualify, as he is a weak mage. Blood magic or whatever magic would be necessary to merge the bloodlines, because Pavus Sr. does not simply insist on Dorian' getting hitched for the sake of having someone to look after him in his dotage, he insists on Dorian being a breeder. And from the father's character, probably a better breeder than himself. Dorian actually swears when he says "your legacy". He actively does not want to perpetuate Pavus' line and Tevinter way of going about marriage. The story of the amulet also plays into that narrative, and later in the game - his departure for Tevinter to take his father's place. Overall, I think his story has many layers of complexity, more than the other characters'. he is truly a fascinating man. Right, because there is no male noble that Dorian would be interested in. The game doesn't say it, but I got the feeling that the Rilienus guy Cole mentions was a noble. While it's true that Dorian's situation is more complicated than just not wanting to get married because he's gay, the fact is that his inability to fall in love with a woman is the reason Halward felt he had to resort to blood magic. Really, the excuses you're coming up with to justify your fantasy that Dorian could fall in love with a woman are insane.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 3, 2018 19:56:00 GMT
And I as a straight dude, was pretty content with my two choices. And still rolled a female Inquisitor just to see the Solas romance. Just weighing in. I was completely uninterested in any of the romances available in Jade Empire, Knight of the Old Republic (including its non-Bioware sequel) and the first as well as third Mass Effect. Even when I liked the characters, the thought of romancing them held little to no appeal. Here's the thing, I've never viewed it as something that should be considered a flaw or neglect by Bioware. I shrugged because sometimes there's going to be a game wherein none of the romances hold appeal and sometimes there's going to be a game wherein the character I want to romance are not available as such. To make it closer to the current discussion: In The Old Republic, I wanted to romance Vector but he was unavailable as a male romance so I made the unrequited feelings my agent had for him into a part of his character. I suppose that's why I've never really understood the reoccurring notion that Bioware has neglected this and that demographic of their players by not including a romance that featured this or that specific element.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 20:03:45 GMT
His choices are limited not only to nobility, but to nobility with extremely strong magic talent, because Dorian himself for better or worse is a maverick. For example, Felix, even if he were available, will not qualify, as he is a weak mage. Blood magic or whatever magic would be necessary to merge the bloodlines, because Pavus Sr. does not simply insist on Dorian' getting hitched for the sake of having someone to look after him in his dotage, he insists on Dorian being a breeder. And from the father's character, probably a better breeder than himself. Dorian actually swears when he says "your legacy". He actively does not want to perpetuate Pavus' line and Tevinter way of going about marriage. The story of the amulet also plays into that narrative, and later in the game - his departure for Tevinter to take his father's place. Overall, I think his story has many layers of complexity, more than the other characters'. he is truly a fascinating man. Right, because there is no male noble that Dorian would be interested in. The game doesn't say it, but I got the feeling that the Rilienus guy Cole mentions was a noble. While it's true that Dorian's situation is more complicated than just not wanting to get married because he's gay, the fact is that his inability to fall in love with a woman is the reason Halward felt he had to resort to blood magic. Really, the excuses you're coming up with to justify your fantasy that Dorian could fall in love with a woman are insane. Oh, don't worry about that. I will uninstall the Inquisition first thing once I get home. Maybe we'll get the option to play a Qunari in DA4. I just felt like playing it because my kid was playing it & I had that unfinished run. Both my romance with Dorian, and an unrequited love run were perfectly vanilla, fully gated version in full compliance to the canon. I really don't like it when Dorian is simplified. His story is fantastic, and his romance is gorgeous.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 20:05:38 GMT
Right, because there is no male noble that Dorian would be interested in. The game doesn't say it, but I got the feeling that the Rilienus guy Cole mentions was a noble. While it's true that Dorian's situation is more complicated than just not wanting to get married because he's gay, the fact is that his inability to fall in love with a woman is the reason Halward felt he had to resort to blood magic. Really, the excuses you're coming up with to justify your fantasy that Dorian could fall in love with a woman are insane. Oh, don't worry about that. I will uninstall the Inquisition first thing once I get home. Maybe we'll get the option to play a Qunari in DA4. I just felt like playing it because my kid was playing it & I had that unfinished run. Both my romance with Dorian, and an unrequited love run were perfectly vanilla, fully gated version in full compliance to the canon. I really don't like it when Dorian is simplified. His story is fantastic, and his romance is gorgeous. What you do with your game is your business, but why you feel the need to justify something like this to a demographic for whom it is a very touchy subject is beyond me.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 3, 2018 20:06:12 GMT
1- The passage in question ("I was joking") was pasted after two images of Gaider's posts stating how dwarfs were hairy and "ew". Context would imply (by the person constructing the post) that Gaider was referring to those. He then states that those comments (where he went ew) were posted after people took his explanation out of context. His explanation was "the Alastair scene was done with a dwarf made to look like a young girl [...] and that had left me a little traumatised". An explanation he later clarified and was still ignored, and so he had given up and resorted to jokes. This may or may not have been how the original conversation went but it's how the post on this forum is constructed. Nowhere does it state in the passage you mentioned that the explanation of being traumatised was a joke, and you're the second person to posit a misinterpretation of the passage as it's written. Of course if there's another source which states otherwise then please share it, but the source you're using doesn't say what you want it to say. 1 - Nobody in this thread said he hated dwarf romances, people said he was against dwarf romances. He said he wanted to try a dwarf romance, Dwarf on dwarf most likely 2 - The points aren't really noteworthy anyway. There's always limited companion spots, it's not something unique when dispelling dwarf romances anymore than qunari romances. Whether there has been deliberately no dwarf romances is the question In case, there's a misunderstanding going on, I'll ask for clarification: are you discussing what other people believed about David Gaider and why they did? See, I'm a bit confused because that's what the above suggest to me but then I paged back the discussion to check and found this post of yours: Only as long as it's dwarf-dwarf romance because he's got the idea that "female dwarfs look like young girls" stuck in his head. And because having only dwarf-dwarf romance (involving the protagonist) is a big fat waste of resources ... Which seems to be you arguing that he is against a dwarf romance. Speaking of that post of yours, why would he be against a dwarf-dwarf romance when the scene that traumatized him a bit was human-dwarf and when it was specifically the dwarf being done up to look like a young girl that did it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 20:07:23 GMT
I was completely uninterested in any of the romances available in Jade Empire, Knight of the Old Republic (including its non-Bioware sequel) and the first as well as third Mass Effect. Even when I liked the characters, the thought of romancing them held little to no appeal. Here's the thing, I've never viewed it as something that should be considered a flaw or neglect by Bioware. I shrugged because sometimes there's going to be a game wherein none of the romances hold appeal and sometimes there's going to be a game wherein the character I want to romance are not available as such. Well, that's a legitimate PoV. For me the ability to play a customizable female protagonist and having a romance that is integral to the really good adventuring story is why I play mostly BioWARE games and why everything else does not measure up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 20:10:32 GMT
What you do with your game is your business, but why you feel the need to justify something like this to a demographic for whom it is a very touchy subject is beyond me. Because it's internet. I say something, people start responding, telling me something, quoting me, the conversation starts up, and while I initially said both biCassandra and biDorian, and posted mods that altered the appearances as examples as well, all everyone picked on was biDorian. I dunno, I felt people were enjoying recounting their ideal way of playing the game, and feeling legitimately proud of how they play, or at least they sounded that way.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 20:15:34 GMT
Dorian's case is different in many viewpoints. And it's hurt. Not really that fact, that how people play at home, rather arguing, why that method's right. This is wrong and hurts people. Actually because you're dealing with a videogame character it doesn't hurt anybody of consequence. The only people it does hurt are those that are intolerant, and I really don't care about the feelings of those people
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 20:27:35 GMT
Which seems to be you arguing that he is against a dwarf romance. Speaking of that post of yours, why would he be against a dwarf-dwarf romance when the scene that traumatized him a bit was human-dwarf and when it was specifically the dwarf being done up to look like a young girl that did it? Other people believed he wasn't against dwarf romance -> they pasted a source which states he was against dwarf romance because he was traumatised because they thought he was making a joke (nothing indicates he was). Everything I posted was me trying to fix their misinterpretation of their shitty source (someone paraphrasing somebody else on a forum post, marvellous). Dwarf on dwarf romance he may be fine with, but going by that source's paraphrasing he's probably not keen on other forms of dwarf romance.
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