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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 20:28:43 GMT
Although it's conceptually impossible with anything like current technology for Bio to handle their LIs and such with the collaborative process a PnP GM can use. They can't rewrite characters on-the-fly. Characters can be written broadly and generically enough to fit everybody, but that imposes its own costs. Good thing mods are possible ...
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Post by Faust on Jan 3, 2018 20:31:20 GMT
Dorian's case is different in many viewpoints. In Dorians case the mod is forcing a romance with a female on a gay man. It is what his father wanted him to do. Why would anyone do that to someone they love even in a video game. It’s beyond odd and kinda indefensible though. But you’re right it’s the players game and if the player wants to mod then mod. But it is insensitive to the character. In Cullen's case, the mod is forcing a romance with a man on a straight guy. It even forces other species on him. You both seem to imply that it's ok with Cullen, or that it's worst for Dorian because of his history. Am I misunderstanding ?
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 20:32:12 GMT
What you do with your game is your business, but why you feel the need to justify something like this to a demographic for whom it is a very touchy subject is beyond me. Because certain people started crying about it. I wonder who those people are ...
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 20:34:33 GMT
It is taking away who Dorian is. Tragic. The nature of a video game character has been changed as though they are nothing more than a piece of code. Oh woe, however will we deal with this fact?
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Post by shechinah on Jan 3, 2018 20:44:55 GMT
Other people believed he wasn't against dwarf romance -> they pasted a source which states he was against dwarf romance because he was traumatised because they thought he was making a joke (nothing indicates he was). Everything I posted was me trying to fix their misinterpretation of their shitty source (someone paraphrasing somebody else on a forum post, marvellous). Dwarf on dwarf romance he may be fine with, but going by that source's paraphrasing he's probably not keen on other forms of dwarf romance. What paraphrasing? Are you referring to the quote at the bottom of the thread's opening post? That's not a paraphrase: that's a direct quote of the post he made. i.imgur.com/9R0qpW6.png
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 20:47:34 GMT
In Dorians case the mod is forcing a romance with a female on a gay man. It is what his father wanted him to do. Why would anyone do that to someone they love even in a video game. It’s beyond odd and kinda indefensible though. Good point. In a video game where murder is common, torture is acceptable, beating the crap out of people on a whim is all well and good, changing the nature of a man[1] is a perfectly acceptable place to draw the line. Furthermore can someone actually love a video game character? People often talk about "love at first sight" and confuse it with "lust at first sight" so I'm not surprised we're here, but are we really talking about love here? True love? Soul unifying love? Or are you trying to conjure an excuse as to why the behaviour is more inexcusable than any other piece of behaviour people get up to in video games? [1]What can change the nature of a man ...
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 20:53:01 GMT
Tragic. The nature of a video game character has been changed as though they are nothing more than a piece of code. Oh woe, however will we deal with this fact? My goodness that’s a silly argument. It’s a story not just code. A made up story involving fictional characters that are constructed with code. Treating him as though he were a real person, treating actions against him as though they were done to real people, is what's silly. I feel I've taken a trip a decade into the past where we were all talking about how devastating it was to shoot people in video games ...
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2018 21:02:07 GMT
Dorian's case is different in many viewpoints. In Dorians case the mod is forcing a romance with a female on a gay man. It is what his father wanted him to do. Why would anyone do that to someone they love even in a video game. It’s beyond odd and kinda indefensible though. But you’re right it’s the players game and if the player wants to mod then mod. But it is insensitive to the character. In Cullen's case, the mod is forcing a romance with a man on a straight guy. It even forces other species on him. You both seem to imply that it's ok with Cullen, or that it's worst for Dorian because of his history. Am I misunderstanding ? Cullen's story never mentioned his sexuality. His flirt with male!Inquisitor was different than Dorian's flirt with a fem!Inquisitor. But call me a hypocrite, I don't mind.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 21:05:45 GMT
Another silly argument. Come back when you can make a non silly one The cliche argument of someone who has nothing to say. If you have nothing to back your points up with other than "your feelings" then why are you even in the discussion?
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 21:09:00 GMT
Wow have you actually read anything I posted here? Seriously. Taking about characters in stories in case you want to know but by all means keep going with your line of thinking. It’s amusing. You've yet again added nothing with your reply except a re-assertion of a point that has already been dealt with. A reassertion of the point as though it were important, which it isn't. But keep going with that, it doesn't at all make it look like you're full of nothing but air
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 21:09:59 GMT
The cliche argument of someone who has nothing to say. If you have nothing to back your points up with other than "your feelings" then why are you even in the discussion? When you have more than snarky responses. You are not showing any willingness for any kind of serious debate it’s kind of useless. Says the guy who entered the debate with nothing more to say than "how silly". We can add hypocrisy to your list of faults, by the way
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:12:20 GMT
My goodness that’s a silly argument. It’s a story not just code Making a male character "to romance Dorian", a "female elf" to romance Solas, a "human female" to romance Cullen - all of those actions are in essence programming as you sit down during the character creation. The romance triggers predetermine the gender and the race of the character you create. You are prompted to chose what will meet the TRUE test. If you start from the other end, by determining first what you want to play and whom you want to romance, you need to review the conditions and adjust them to achieve the outcome if the TRUE test is not satisfied. In the first case you adjust your protagonist set-up. In the second case you adjust the NPC. Only if you are going into the game with a plan to run multiple trials or indifferent to the romantic outcomes, you can afford creating character you wish without looking at the conditions. Now, if you have a small number of trials, you have to place value on playing what you want. If it is all the same to you, no biggie. But if it matters AND it also matters to you which story you want to see, then you need to change the conditions. I think it is ironic that the DA2 game where the choice of the protagonist is simply binary, the romance conditions are very lenient, but in a game where the protagonist's combinations are far more numerous, the romance conditions are far more elaborate & prohibitive. "Why not play male protagonist?" is simple to answer. The vast majority of protagonists are males, and romances with males are way lower in number than those with the females. In most games you end up playing a male, and when you get across a game that lets you play a female, it is natural to want to play more females to offset the majority of the male protagonists. So, yep, DA2 it is. EDIT: Also, Andromeda, because with biJaal, the number of non-conditioned romances is higher than in the Inquisition. EDIT: And an athletic & tall female protagonist like a Qunari is almost never occurs.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 21:17:46 GMT
Making a male character "to romance Dorian", a "female elf" to romance Solas, a "human female" to romance Cullen - all of those actions are in essence programming as you sit down during the character creation. The romance triggers predetermine the gender and the race of the character you create. You are prompted to chose what will meet the TRUE test. If you start from the other end, by determining first what you want to play and whom you want to romance, you need to review the conditions and adjust them to achieve the outcome if the TRUE test is not satisfied. In the first case you adjust your protagonist set-up. In the second case you adjust the NPC. Only if you are going into the game with a plan to run multiple trials or indifferent to the romantic outcomes, you can afford creating character you wish without looking at the conditions. Now, if you have a small number of trials, you have to place value on playing what you want. If it is all the same to you, no biggie. But if it matters AND it also matters to you which story you want to see, then you need to change the conditions. I think it is ironic that the DA2 game where the choice of the protagonist is simply binary, the romance conditions are very lenient, but in a game where the protagonist's combinations are far more numerous, the romance conditions are far more elaborate. "Why not play male protagonist?" is simple to answer. The vast majority of protagonists are males, and romances with males are way lower in number than those with the females. In most games you end up playing a male, and when you get across a game that lets you play a female, it is natural to want to play more females to offset the majority of the male protagonists. So, yep, DA2 it is. I've read a whole shitload of bullshit from people who want to project their real life grievances onto a fucking video game, and the bitching has reached hysteric proportions. Just do whatever you want, and tell everyone who has a problem to get a blog and bitch and cry into that
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Post by Faust on Jan 3, 2018 21:18:43 GMT
In Cullen's case, the mod is forcing a romance with a man on a straight guy. It even forces other species on him. You both seem to imply that it's ok with Cullen, or that it's worst for Dorian because of his history. Am I misunderstanding ? Where is it written in the dialog in DAI that Cullen is straight and prefers women only. In Dorian’s case he says he prefers men, is gay and his father tried to change him. You stick a mod that forces him to do something against what he has stated in the game against his character as he is written keeping all the same dialog and with the same personal quest and all for what reason. It is bizarre. Why not just play a male character to romance a gay man instead. Yep seems the more logical choice. But like I said it’s the players game if she wants to mod then mod. And I’ll keep the character who he is and as he was written. In Cullen's case, the mod is forcing a romance with a man on a straight guy. It even forces other species on him. You both seem to imply that it's ok with Cullen, or that it's worst for Dorian because of his history. Am I misunderstanding ? Cullen's story never mentioned his sexuality. His flirt with M!Inquisitor was different than Dorian's flirt with a fem!Inquisitor. But call me a hypocrite, I don't mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:22:43 GMT
Well, I do not know about a male Inquisitor, but on my non-eligible F!Qunari, Cullen literally jerked backwards away from her, while on the eligible F!Elf, he leans over towards her and smiles. It is my impression that Cullen telegraphs rather strongly.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 21:26:46 GMT
My goodness that’s a silly argument. It’s a story not just code Making a male character "to romance Dorian", a "female elf" to romance Solas, a "human female" to romance Cullen - all of those actions are in essence programming as you sit down during the character creation. The romance triggers predetermine the gender and the race of the character you create. You are prompted to chose what will meet the TRUE test. If you start from the other end, by determining first what you want to play and whom you want to romance, you need to review the conditions and adjust them to achieve the outcome if the TRUE test is not satisfied. In the first case you adjust your protagonist set-up. In the second case you adjust the NPC. Only if you are going into the game with a plan to run multiple trials or indifferent to the romantic outcomes, you can afford creating character you wish without looking at the conditions. Now, if you have a small number of trials, you have to place value on playing what you want. If it is all the same to you, no biggie. But if it matters AND it also matters to you which story you want to see, then you need to change the conditions. I think it is ironic that the DA2 game where the choice of the protagonist is simply binary, the romance conditions are very lenient, but in a game where the protagonist's combinations are far more numerous, the romance conditions are far more elaborate & prohibitive. "Why not play male protagonist?" is simple to answer. The vast majority of protagonists are males, and romances with males are way lower in number than those with the females. In most games you end up playing a male, and when you get across a game that lets you play a female, it is natural to want to play more females to offset the majority of the male protagonists. So, yep, DA2 it is. EDIT: Also, Andromeda, because with biJaal, the number of non-conditioned romances is higher than in the Inquisition. EDIT: And an athletic & tall female protagonist like a Qunari is almost never occurs. Another person's sexual orientation is not a slight against you.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 21:29:26 GMT
Another person's sexual orientation is not a slight against you. Good thing she wasn't talking about a person's sexual orientation, then.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:36:04 GMT
Making a male character "to romance Dorian", a "female elf" to romance Solas, a "human female" to romance Cullen - all of those actions are in essence programming as you sit down during the character creation. The romance triggers predetermine the gender and the race of the character you create. You are prompted to chose what will meet the TRUE test. If you start from the other end, by determining first what you want to play and whom you want to romance, you need to review the conditions and adjust them to achieve the outcome if the TRUE test is not satisfied. In the first case you adjust your protagonist set-up. In the second case you adjust the NPC. Only if you are going into the game with a plan to run multiple trials or indifferent to the romantic outcomes, you can afford creating character you wish without looking at the conditions. Now, if you have a small number of trials, you have to place value on playing what you want. If it is all the same to you, no biggie. But if it matters AND it also matters to you which story you want to see, then you need to change the conditions. I think it is ironic that the DA2 game where the choice of the protagonist is simply binary, the romance conditions are very lenient, but in a game where the protagonist's combinations are far more numerous, the romance conditions are far more elaborate & prohibitive. "Why not play male protagonist?" is simple to answer. The vast majority of protagonists are males, and romances with males are way lower in number than those with the females. In most games you end up playing a male, and when you get across a game that lets you play a female, it is natural to want to play more females to offset the majority of the male protagonists. So, yep, DA2 it is. EDIT: Also, Andromeda, because with biJaal, the number of non-conditioned romances is higher than in the Inquisition. EDIT: And an athletic & tall female protagonist like a Qunari is almost never occurs. Another person's sexual orientation is not a slight against you. I prefer the DA2 way & that's where I feel completely happy.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 21:38:43 GMT
Another person's sexual orientation is not a slight against you. I prefer the DA2 way & that's where I feel completely happy. DAII and DA:I both give equal options. You're free to prefer whichever one you wish.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:43:44 GMT
I prefer the DA2 way & that's where I feel completely happy. DAII and DA:I both give equal options. You're free to prefer whichever one you wish. Only one of them allows me to fire the game and just create a protagonist I feel like playing & do not get a "shouldda played an elf" or "shouldda played a male" messages. Anders does not jump away from Hawke because she does not meet his exacting height standard & he doesn't care what's between your legs, only what's in your heart.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 21:45:49 GMT
DAII and DA:I both give equal options. You're free to prefer whichever one you wish. Only one of them allows me to fire the game and just create a protagonist I feel like playing & do not get a "shouldda played an elf" or "shouldda played a male" messages. Anders never jumps away from Hawke. You really need to get over this bizarre idea that another person's sexual orientation is a slight against you.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 21:48:01 GMT
Only one of them allows me to fire the game and just create a protagonist I feel like playing & do not get a "shouldda played an elf" or "shouldda played a male" messages. Anders never jumps away from Hawke. You really need to get over this bizarre idea that another person's sexual orientation is a slight against you. And once again, for all the guests reading this forum, sageoflife is completely unable to understand that Jade Dreamer isn't talking about a person's sexual orientation. This irrationality is what happens when a person allows their feelings and emotions to consume them
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 21:49:17 GMT
You really need to get over this bizarre idea that another person's sexual orientation is a slight against you. And once again, for all the guests reading this forum, sageoflife is completely unable to understand that Jade Dreamer isn't talking about a person's sexual orientation. This irrationality is what happens when a person allows their feelings and emotions to consume them For all guests reading this forum, river82 is a troll who likes provoking people and thinks that anyone who calls him out is just using strawmen.
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Post by river82 on Jan 3, 2018 21:52:09 GMT
And once again, for all the guests reading this forum, sageoflife is completely unable to understand that Jade Dreamer isn't talking about a person's sexual orientation. This irrationality is what happens when a person allows their feelings and emotions to consume them For all guests reading this forum, river82 is a troll who likes provoking people and thinks that anyone who calls him out is just using strawmen. For all the guests reading this forum, sageoflife is an abusive man who likes to abuse everyone who doesn't agree with him, but chucks a tantrum when the same treatment is returned. He uses strawmen and other fallacies to give his argument the appearance of weight when in actuality he's just a little kid screaming on the net. Like how he's changing Jade Dreamer's post to talk about people and not characters. This change gives his post the appearance of ethical weight when in actuality he's once again blasting nothing but hot air. An intolerant, disgusting individual.
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Post by sageoflife on Jan 3, 2018 21:55:01 GMT
For all guests reading this forum, river82 is a troll who likes provoking people and thinks that anyone who calls him out is just using strawmen. For all the guests reading this forum, sageoflife is an abusive man who likes to abuse everyone who doesn't agree with him, but chucks a tantrum when the same treatment is returned. He uses strawmen and other fallacies to give his argument the appearance of weight when in actuality he's just a little kid screaming on the net. Like how he's changing Jade Dreamer's post to talk about people and not characters. This change gives his post the appearance of ethical weight when in actuality he's once again blasting nothing but hot air. An intolerant, disgusting individual. You're projecting, dear. Do you need a tissue?
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