How *unappealing* do you predict straight male romance options will be in DA4?

xDDD

The difference being that you can only play Hawke in DA2. 

I love the DA2 romances (all of them) but I prefer the way DAI did things.

Okay, we get that you're all hardheadedly logical and yes, on one level these are arguments about pixels on a screen. But the original debate came because JD not only drew repeated attention to the fact that she was using the mod so her female character could tiptoe through Dorian's tulips, but then, once people started reacting, professed to have no comprehension whatsoever why some people found that unconscionable. When people started trying to explain why, she could've just shrugged and walked away because the whole argument was about characters constructed with code (though why code makes it any less valid than characters constructed the old fashioned way with type is beyond me). Instead she kept insisting her attempts to explain away the obvious narrative dissonance were correct and should be embraced by those who objected.

Though there are very good reasons why his backstory resonates with people (you are aware that "conversion therapy" is a real thing, aren't you?), even throwing out all those feelings you have such disdain for, narratively speaking it's ridiculous. You've removed all motivation for Dorian to even leave Tevinter.

The continuation of the argument came from her convoluted explanations why it didn't fuck with his character or the narrative in the slightest, and her insistence that everyone else should hold her truth to be self-evident. If she'd just said, "Yeah, I know it throws both the character and the story into a cocked hat and I'll stop talking about it now to go play my silly modded game", the debate would have ended.

If you don't care about story and you don't get invested in the characters, that's fine, but there's no need to disparage those who do.

Honestly, such mods bothered me a lot more in the past.

Nowadays...I've come to realize there are far worse things out there.

To be fair, I think such options actually encourage replayability, and to try new things.

I doubt I would have created a female inquisitor without the Solas romance, for example.  

I think such conditional flags (and not just in romances) enhances role-playing.  

But, different strokes, I guess.

Then WHY for Andraste's holy ass, you created this fucking flame? Why you try to prove again and again and again, that Dorian's background story no matter in romance? I don't get it. 

You can argue for the DA2 system without mention Dorian! Without hurt people, who think, Dorian's sexuality in the game is very important!

Well this has gotten ridiculous. After several pages of restating the same arguments I think it's clear that neither side is going to convince the other. How people want to mod their game is their own freaking business. However I think it's pretty obvious that Dorian (literally the only gay man in DA so far) resonates very strongly with many LGBT players. Frankly, I don't see how anyone can continuously state that modding out his homosexuality is not against what his character was about and then continue to be shocked when LGBT players get offended. And no, this is not keeping your modding/playing habits a secret. This is having some common sense in when to bring up a mod that's a touchy, and likely personal subject, for many gamers. If you just have to use this mod, fine. Stop acting like it's so inconceivable that people are gonna disagree with it.

EDIT: In the time I was typing, it appears that this is (hopefully) dying down. If so ignore this.

This is why games were better in the old days. In the old days games didn't have much story so you'd argue about gameplay mechanics, not characters with backgrounds that bring up all sorts of RL baggage. Hard to get emotional when arguing about how awesome or not awesome a rogue's backstabbing ability is

The Dragon Age forum verges on being one big echo chamber. It should be broken, nothing useful ever came from echo chambers.

Because playing it does not appeal to me any more.

I was drawn into the debate because of the astounding amount of bullying projected at Jade Dreamer because of her decision concerning a video game. I don't abide that kind of behaviour and especially over something so insignificant. I don't abide the "do it our way and we'll stop" kind of thing. It's ugly and pathetic. 

It's easy to lose perspective on the internet. People need more tolerance.