How *unappealing* do you predict straight male romance options will be in DA4?

If BioWare would just make their games moddable, we could alter the appearance of characters as we see fit.

This is the real issue. If players disagree about an in-game feature, mods allow customization.

I mean, I love DAO and I love DAI, but mods are the reason Skyrim is better than anything BioWare has released since NWN.

you will have to forget about that, as the cancer engine frostbite is not meant for rpg elements and much less for mods.

yeah the modding community somehow managed to do something, but compared to other games or just DA2 and DAO, it's a completely shit, the only thing they can do is retextures and replace some things (in this case hair or swap armor models) for anothers, but you are not adding anything new and you are not changing anything really. Hell even you have to deactivate the "mods" in the dlc areas cause the game just crashes or gets an infinite loading screen.

so don't expect anything special for next instalments, as they will continue with that engine, and moders will not do much.

Joffrey my man.

ITT I discover women think men want flawless skin and tons of makeup when they really look for slimness yet a perfect hip to waist ratio, beautiful hair, a rounded jaw, and large eyes

The sexes still don't understand each other xD

IIRC, part of the tons of makeup thing is to provide an illusion of large eyes. (Dunno about the jaw thing -- do any women here have a comment? What are you trying to do with makeup?)

But yeah, a lot of what women do with their self-presentation seems to be about impressing other women.

Yes, women do want to keep up with other women (a lot of it's being expected to look feminine and attractive, that you have to keep up with other women, if you don't wear it you look "untidy" and "unhealthy", it's not just for women, it's expected and men expect the results even if they don't realise you are wearing makeup), but trust me when you can change a lot with makeup, and men are spectacularly bad at noticing how much makeup a women is wearing unless it's really really obvious (I'm talking bright red lipstick and blue eyeshawdow levels here). You can basically change your face shape with it (contoring is a thing), make your eyes appear bigger and brighter, make your lips look plumper and change their shape, make your nose smaller, make your skin look more radiant and healthy etc.
A really good example would actually be the Sara Ryders's real life model, a lot of people said her picture looked nothing like the real life model, that it had been made more "manish" and "ugly". The face shape hadn't been changed, it's just in the photos she's wearing a shit tone of makeup (also some photoshoping involved) that's designed to change how the face shape looks and downplay some features, whereas the in-game model isn't wearing that much makeup or even the same style.

I really haven't xD

Also, the OP had a disappointing lack of graphs and "scientific evidence".

/ignore list

Personally think Josie is so utterly plain & can’t see why anyone would consider her conventionally beautiful.

Cora I thought was attractive though her hair was pretty awful.

Cassandra is beautiful.

Err, yes? The only ones who don't fit ALL of that criteria are Cassandra (because she has a square face shape, like many women do.....) and Jack (she has a buzzcut so you can't see much of her hair). There are a couple of aliens who don't have hair but they still have hourglass figures, big eyes...


When I think of plain, I think of some of the random nameless NPCs in this game, where they're almost featureless and there's nothing really distinct or notable about them.

Totally agree. I never wear make-up, it just never interested me. It's a choice and I choose not to wear it. People who want to wear it, that's fine.  It shouldn't be expected though.