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Post by ahglock on Mar 9, 2018 7:13:23 GMT
I actually think that had Sloane been more communicative, the whole uprising might have been avoided. I mean, they were in a crisis situation. It doesn't matter if you like the people you're working with. Just do your damn job and deal with the rest later. The whole uprising needed a better description. From what I made out and admittedly I could have missed it, there was a uprising because things went wrong on a 600 year trip into unknown space and the leadership wasn't perfect. At points I get the impression they want us to feel sympathy for them, but they didn't build up the story to make it seem like they were at their last option. It seemed like after the 1st minor stumbling block they gave up and revolted.
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Post by bshep on Mar 9, 2018 9:46:26 GMT
Just make the next game takes place a decade later and Tann will probably be retired. Aren't salarian's as dog's years?
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 9, 2018 13:12:04 GMT
I actually think that had Sloane been more communicative, the whole uprising might have been avoided. I mean, they were in a crisis situation. It doesn't matter if you like the people you're working with. Just do your damn job and deal with the rest later. The whole uprising needed a better description. From what I made out and admittedly I could have missed it, there was a uprising because things went wrong on a 600 year trip into unknown space and the leadership wasn't perfect. At points I get the impression they want us to feel sympathy for them, but they didn't build up the story to make it seem like they were at their last option. It seemed like after the 1st minor stumbling block they gave up and revolted. [FYI, your post accidentally didn't show in my previous response and I was too lazy to go back and fix it.] I read Mass Effect: Nexus Uprising, which explains everything that happened. When the Nexus and the arks arrived in Andromeda what happened is they hit 1) the Scourge and/or 2) the kett. Since they were still in or just barely out of cryo (varied) they were screwed. I suppose in some ways that shouldn't have been unexpected because, over the course of 600 years, anything could have moved into their projected path, whether naturally or otherwise. I suppose it's possible there were automated systems that made the ships move around unexpected objects but it's never said either way. So, they arrive, most of the leadership is dead. Tann is way far down the line but the most senior of leadership and so he's in charge. Sloane is security, which I think was always meant to be her role. Addison was colonial affairs, which meant she should have had jack shit to do with the Nexus leadership. Since "pathfinder" doesn't get to be called a pathfinder until they "path found", shouldn't similar be true of her? She's nothing until colonies exist - functional, not-dying-colonies. Too stupid to understand that. Anyway, a lot of mistakes were made. Tann was an idiot, Addison make mistakes (not malicious) and Spender was playing whatever side got him what he wanted most. Sloane actually did care about everyone on board, including the krogan (unlike Tann, who hated and distrusted them because...salarian). The problem with Sloane was that she was not a people person. When Tann and Addison were doing dumb shit she, rather than deal with them, would stay away from them. She had some great plans in motion that might have even worked if she had let ANYONE know about it and not put herself in a place where it was impossible to reach her. Hence, which shit started going down, no one knew what was up and in made Sloane look like a traitor. Rather than let those she was trying to help be killed, she chose exile alongside the others being expelled (including the krogan, who Spender had promised would get a position of some authority, though he had no ability to make such a deal and also wouldn't take responsibility for it). However, it was clear from the ending of the novel that Sloane was going to be a very mean leader to the exiles, assuming they even survived. This is why I don't like her. It's why I tend to let her die. It's also why I let Drack kill the dude who was helping Spender and why I love exiling Spender so he can face all those he screwed over, both during the time of the uprising and every moment afterward.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 9, 2018 17:19:03 GMT
Sigh, you shouldn't have to read a book to get a grasp on one of the basic plot lines of the game. Thanks, for explaining it though. I feel a bit of sympathy for the exiles though, as it seems they were caught between Sloanes bad leadership and Tanns idiocy. Sloane is such a despicable person once you meet her I always let her die. Besides its a outlaw duel, the one with the better ambush wins IMO.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 9, 2018 17:20:40 GMT
Just make the next game takes place a decade later and Tann will probably be retired. Aren't salarian's as dog's years? Might not even be 10 years, they live to like 40 and he already led a life as an accountant, this was his mid life crisis. Though politicians seem to hold onto power until death and not retire like normal people.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 9, 2018 17:58:23 GMT
Just make the next game takes place a decade later and Tann will probably be retired. Aren't salarian's as dog's years? "Okay, now that's offensive!" - Soon to be married Salarian
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Post by sil on Mar 10, 2018 14:01:12 GMT
However, it was clear from the ending of the novel that Sloane was going to be a very mean leader to the exiles, assuming they even survived. This is why I don't like her. It's why I tend to let her die. It's also why I let Drack kill the dude who was helping Spender and why I love exiling Spender so he can face all those he screwed over, both during the time of the uprising and every moment afterward. Sloane never survives in my playthroughs, I can't find a reason at all to trust her.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 10, 2018 14:04:43 GMT
Sigh, you shouldn't have to read a book to get a grasp on one of the basic plot lines of the game. Thanks, for explaining it though. I feel a bit of sympathy for the exiles though, as it seems they were caught between Sloanes bad leadership and Tanns idiocy. Sloane is such a despicable person once you meet her I always let her die. Besides its a outlaw duel, the one with the better ambush wins IMO. Don't forget the sort-of glossed over mental breakdown many had after such a long time in cryo.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 10, 2018 22:17:37 GMT
Sigh, you shouldn't have to read a book to get a grasp on one of the basic plot lines of the game. Thanks, for explaining it though. I feel a bit of sympathy for the exiles though, as it seems they were caught between Sloanes bad leadership and Tanns idiocy. Sloane is such a despicable person once you meet her I always let her die. Besides its a outlaw duel, the one with the better ambush wins IMO. I can't argue that you shouldn't need to read the book to fully understand some major parts of the game. That said, I also feel sorry for the exiles and think they got caught up in some terrible events. It's why I tend to allow them to return to the Nexus - or an outpost - if they want. It's also why I work hard to get the krogan working together with the AI again.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 10, 2018 22:32:03 GMT
Sigh, you shouldn't have to read a book to get a grasp on one of the basic plot lines of the game. Thanks, for explaining it though. I feel a bit of sympathy for the exiles though, as it seems they were caught between Sloanes bad leadership and Tanns idiocy. Sloane is such a despicable person once you meet her I always let her die. Besides its a outlaw duel, the one with the better ambush wins IMO. I can't argue that you shouldn't need to read the book to fully understand some major parts of the game. That said, I also feel sorry for the exiles and think they got caught up in some terrible events. It's why I tend to allow them to return to the Nexus - or an outpost - if they want. It's also why I work hard to get the krogan working together with the AI again. The math side of me says all Krogan must die. But, they did get screwed so it would be nice to fix that.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 10, 2018 22:33:39 GMT
I can't argue that you shouldn't need to read the book to fully understand some major parts of the game. That said, I also feel sorry for the exiles and think they got caught up in some terrible events. It's why I tend to allow them to return to the Nexus - or an outpost - if they want. It's also why I work hard to get the krogan working together with the AI again. The math side of me says all Krogan must die. But, they did get screwed so it would be nice to fix that. The krogan aren't dying either way. With that in mind, the math side of me says they're powerful allies in fighting the kett.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 10, 2018 23:15:33 GMT
The math side of me says all Krogan must die. But, they did get screwed so it would be nice to fix that. The krogan aren't dying either way. With that in mind, the math side of me says they're powerful allies in fighting the kett. Well they could die if you kill them all. They might be a powerful ally for a bit, after that they will kill everyone else. When you breed in the thousands, its not long before you overpopulate a planet, then every planet in the sector. Also they could be a bigger ally of the Kett. Grab one breeding female and with the Ketts genetic engineering skills its all over.
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Post by Shinobu on Mar 16, 2018 2:44:43 GMT
Tann end up like Udina? You mean shot dead by Shepard while trying to aid human supremacists take over the de facto capital of the Milky Way? Seems unlikely. Actually, while Tann is a bit of a cloaca, I don't see him as the "power at all costs" type. And he's probably aware that Ryder, Avitus, Kandros and Kesh would punch his lights out if he tried anything coup-like. He doesn't seem to have any loyal followers to help him attempt a coup anyway.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 16, 2018 6:20:37 GMT
Tann end up like Udina? You mean shot dead by Shepard while trying to aid human supremacists take over the de facto capital of the Milky Way? Seems unlikely. Actually, while Tann is a bit of a cloaca, I don't see him as the "power at all costs" type. And he's probably aware that Ryder, Avitus, Kandros and Kesh would punch his lights out if he tried anything coup-like. He doesn't seem to have any loyal followers to help him attempt a coup anyway. Udina was an ass and willing to lick the boots of the Council while still an ambassador but I wouldn't say he was a "power at all costs" type. He just towed the party line so when the Council said "I don't believe this Reapers/Conduit bullshit", Udina just nods his head emphatically and locks down the Normandy. Still, regarding ME3, I've started to believe that maybe he really did think that Cerberus was the only way to save humanity. He definitely believed Earth was hit hardest.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 18, 2018 13:10:09 GMT
I hope not, what they did to Udina was just awful. There was no need to turn him into Cerberus defector, beyond he was that one unlikable character from original game.
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Post by sil on Mar 18, 2018 16:59:32 GMT
I hope not, what they did to Udina was just awful. There was no need to turn him into Cerberus defector, beyond he was that one unlikable character from original game. Udina's turn was bad in vanilla ME3, the cut content version made so much more sense.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 18, 2018 18:57:15 GMT
The krogan aren't dying either way. With that in mind, the math side of me says they're powerful allies in fighting the kett. Well they could die if you kill them all. They might be a powerful ally for a bit, after that they will kill everyone else. When you breed in the thousands, its not long before you overpopulate a planet, then every planet in the sector. Also they could be a bigger ally of the Kett. Grab one breeding female and with the Ketts genetic engineering skills its all over. So, this only happened one time, which was immediately following the Rachni Wars. Prior to that, the krogan did NOT breed out of control. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the salarian uplifting of the krogan did something unusual to them. Sure, they'd already screwed up Tuchanka with nuclear war but nothing suggests they can't handle radiation. Even prior to the nuclear war, they still hadn't gone out of control with population. I think, rather than go the genocide route, I'd try to find a solution that encourages cooperation. Imagine if someone like Kesh, who would make a better leader than Tann, were in control. Krogan would follow her lead and definitely respect the fact that one of their own were allowed a place of leadership. That's something unheard of. Also, despite some claims that Morda was going to use that drive core as a bomb, her actual intent was to use it as a power generator to make life better for her people. And what do you get for that cooperation? Alliance with the Nexus and help with founding a nearby AI colony. Reality is that the krogan fucked up once following the Rachni Wars and have been punished for it ever since. Also, they watched the majority of their eggs not hatch, which was disheartening, along with a lot of their females being infertile. That caused a greater level of competition (proving themselves) with females for breeding rights. Those who couldn't ended up being mercs because it was better than sitting around watching a thousand dead children. I never flinch on curing the genophage, but I also always have Wrex, Bakara and Grunt around. Those three would follow Shepard into Hell and I don't doubt for a moment that they'd forget who was responsible for the survival of their race long after Shepard's death.
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Post by sil on Mar 18, 2018 23:18:19 GMT
Well they could die if you kill them all. They might be a powerful ally for a bit, after that they will kill everyone else. When you breed in the thousands, its not long before you overpopulate a planet, then every planet in the sector. Also they could be a bigger ally of the Kett. Grab one breeding female and with the Ketts genetic engineering skills its all over. So, this only happened one time, which was immediately following the Rachni Wars. Prior to that, the krogan did NOT breed out of control. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the salarian uplifting of the krogan did something unusual to them. Sure, they'd already screwed up Tuchanka with nuclear war but nothing suggests they can't handle radiation. Even prior to the nuclear war, they still hadn't gone out of control with population. I think, rather than go the genocide route, I'd try to find a solution that encourages cooperation. Imagine if someone like Kesh, who would make a better leader than Tann, were in control. Krogan would follow her lead and definitely respect the fact that one of their own were allowed a place of leadership. That's something unheard of. Also, despite some claims that Morda was going to use that drive core as a bomb, her actual intent was to use it as a power generator to make life better for her people. And what do you get for that cooperation? Alliance with the Nexus and help with founding a nearby AI colony. Reality is that the krogan fucked up once following the Rachni Wars and have been punished for it ever since. Also, they watched the majority of their eggs not hatch, which was disheartening, along with a lot of their females being infertile. That caused a greater level of competition (proving themselves) with females for breeding rights. Those who couldn't ended up being mercs because it was better than sitting around watching a thousand dead children. I never flinch on curing the genophage, but I also always have Wrex, Bakara and Grunt around. Those three would follow Shepard into Hell and I don't doubt for a moment that they'd forget who was responsible for the survival of their race long after Shepard's death. A part of the reason behind the krogan war was because the whole bloodrage gene became dominant where once it wasn't (pre-nuclear winter). Meaning there was a significantly larger population carrying the gene that were born, leading to a more violent species. What I wonder is that after this 1,000+ years of krogan breeding slowly but with many dying through conflict as mercenaries and pirates, that the gene for that might be becoming less prevalent in the younger populace, and as such, leading to the krogan returning to how they once were.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 19, 2018 4:50:38 GMT
Well they could die if you kill them all. They might be a powerful ally for a bit, after that they will kill everyone else. When you breed in the thousands, its not long before you overpopulate a planet, then every planet in the sector. Also they could be a bigger ally of the Kett. Grab one breeding female and with the Ketts genetic engineering skills its all over. So, this only happened one time, which was immediately following the Rachni Wars. Prior to that, the krogan did NOT breed out of control. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the salarian uplifting of the krogan did something unusual to them. Sure, they'd already screwed up Tuchanka with nuclear war but nothing suggests they can't handle radiation. Even prior to the nuclear war, they still hadn't gone out of control with population. I think, rather than go the genocide route, I'd try to find a solution that encourages cooperation. Imagine if someone like Kesh, who would make a better leader than Tann, were in control. Krogan would follow her lead and definitely respect the fact that one of their own were allowed a place of leadership. That's something unheard of. Also, despite some claims that Morda was going to use that drive core as a bomb, her actual intent was to use it as a power generator to make life better for her people. And what do you get for that cooperation? Alliance with the Nexus and help with founding a nearby AI colony. Reality is that the krogan fucked up once following the Rachni Wars and have been punished for it ever since. Also, they watched the majority of their eggs not hatch, which was disheartening, along with a lot of their females being infertile. That caused a greater level of competition (proving themselves) with females for breeding rights. Those who couldn't ended up being mercs because it was better than sitting around watching a thousand dead children. I never flinch on curing the genophage, but I also always have Wrex, Bakara and Grunt around. Those three would follow Shepard into Hell and I don't doubt for a moment that they'd forget who was responsible for the survival of their race long after Shepard's death. They were in a constant state of murdering each other once the population hit the limit for their world. Sure they built art, but long before the salarians showed up they nuked themselves. They can survive the background radiation but not the bombs. And Kesh would actually be a worse leader than Tann, she showed no leadership at all. Its a freaking low bar but none of the Nexus leadership exceeded Tanns crap leadership. She bitched but didn't lead. Morda might not have planned on using it as a bomb, but she was a thug who demanded with threats, and she still is a thug. Reality is the Krogan fucked up constantly, and even if they weren't fuck ups they'd still kill everyone because overpopulation sucks and people do crazy shit even when they aren't bloodthirsty tanks. They live over a thousand years, regenerate, are armored and have multiple clutches with a thousand kids. That's a overpopulation nightmare. Breed in ridiculous numbers but don't die young enough to compensate. You went there to colonize thinking hundreds if not thousands of years down the line. But in a couple hundred years the Krogan will overpopulate every planet that's remotely livable. You either are hoping in that arc and GTFO out of their, or you get killed by the Krogan as they look for more space. I never flinch at stopping the genophage even if it means shooting my favorite character in the back. At rhe breeding rate it doens't matter if Wrex is around, they will attack, they will try to wipe everyone else out. But hey they like Shepard so maybe they will kill the humans last. By the way, this is what I love about Mass Effect. The choices might not be seen in the game much, but they define the characters you play and its awesome to see how others see the story.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2018 6:42:43 GMT
I already brought up the nuclear war. By the way, humanity itself isn't so far off from that. By using that kind of standard, we should also be wiped out. We're clearly a war mongering species because we keep killing each other. Rather than having biology that allows us to survive, we instead create technology that does so, even as we kill today more people than we have in all of human history. You can't bash krogan for acting just like we do.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 19, 2018 7:06:52 GMT
I already brought up the nuclear war. By the way, humanity itself isn't so far off from that. By using that kind of standard, we should also be wiped out. We're clearly a war mongering species because we keep killing each other. Rather than having biology that allows us to survive, we instead create technology that does so, even as we kill today more people than we have in all of human history. You can't bash krogan for acting just like we do. We totally are throughout our history and continue to be even in that setting, the difference is we aren't in any place to be a danger to the rest of the galaxy. Our aggressiveness was a boon to push back another aggressive species without getting the councils hands dirty, no need to step on the Batarians when you can give the aggressive humans the task by having them colonize into the batarian territory. We are just the councils next muscle race, they had the krogan, now us. They don't need mega breeding, immortal bad asses this time since the threat isn't galactic its just a small sector of slavers. I'm not bashing the krogans, I just recognize the danger they represent. A danger we would be if we were near immortal breeding machines. And the point of me bringing up the nuclear war was too show the problems with over population. People eventually do crazy crap when resources get scarce. Though the history didn't specify how much the Krogans bred, my impression from the vague details was they bred like crazy always, it was kept in check by how murderous they were and how dangerous their home world was, they toned down the murder for some reason, maybe one clan dominated and a society with art and science developed, then they overpopulated and they murdered everyone again and continued to murder each other until the Salarians uplifted them, then they went on to murder everyone else until the genophage where they went back to more murder but lots of it targeted at themselves.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2018 7:34:12 GMT
I just can't get behind the genocide angle. I also suspect that post-Reaper War krogan would have a voice in the galaxy, something they've never before been permitted. That can change things.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 20, 2018 2:16:43 GMT
I just can't get behind the genocide angle. I also suspect that post-Reaper War krogan would have a voice in the galaxy, something they've never before been permitted. That can change things. Hey if curing the genophage was like the picture in ME3 with Krogans not having stillborns but just one kid I'd be all in. But if they breed in the thousands they die or you die and not long after you die they are back to killing each other. 1000 kids is just insane, unless they wanted the Korgans to be the next reaper threat bioware didn't think that one through IMO.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 20, 2018 4:27:12 GMT
I just can't get behind the genocide angle. I also suspect that post-Reaper War krogan would have a voice in the galaxy, something they've never before been permitted. That can change things. Hey if curing the genophage was like the picture in ME3 with Krogans not having stillborns but just one kid I'd be all in. But if they breed in the thousands they die or you die and not long after you die they are back to killing each other. 1000 kids is just insane, unless they wanted the Korgans to be the next reaper threat bioware didn't think that one through IMO. Yes, true, but I guess it's because of their harsh environment, and having mega-monsters like thresher maws to fight, that their numbers are reduced. Still, though, I can't see how a species could ever have survived with those kinds of birth levels. One thing to consider with the krogan is to send them out exploring. Let's pretend the mass relays all become functional again (if they need a personal touch, it'll take a long time). Now, we know that any number of them were already closed down and it was illegal to open them, which is the thing humanity did that led to the First Contact War. Opening one of those also led to the discovery of the Rachni (who were violent thanks to selective breeding on the part of the Protheans). Suppose you send the krogan out to find out what's on the other side of those closed relays/undiscovered areas of the MW. They're perfect for it and can handle almost any threat. Hell, maybe in 600 years we'll hear from the AI and send the krogan to take down the kett. I think it would be wise to assume there are very dangerous threats out there we haven't discovered. Grateful krogan in our back pockets would come in very handy.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 20, 2018 5:17:47 GMT
I think they passed it off on the harsh environment as why they survived. But, yeah it doesn't make sense when talking 1/2 ton creatures. Ants, sure. But Krogan have to be resource intensive even in small numbers, in the billions I'm not sure a lush world could support them. Whats crazy is if there isn't a big amount of violent death Kesh might see a Billion direct decedents. And that's from one krogan pair. Hell it could be a trillion or more if they start breeding young enough. For my sanity I assume its around 300.
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