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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 20, 2020 21:13:42 GMT
I'd say it is. Thedas seems to be beginning a shift in beliefs about various things in the past and becoming less the way they were. We saw that with Ferelden regardless of who rules, we see that with Orzammar if Bhelen is king, we see that happen with Orlais if Celene and Briala are chosen, we see that with the Chantry regardless of who is made Divine to varying extents, and we are seeing that with Tevinter with the Lucerni gaining ground. I guess I don't know enough about TME to rate the Celene/Briala connection, but I got that their relationship was pretty abusive, with DAI glossing over that mostly, instead painting Briala as a traitor for finally not putting up with Celene's BS (like burning alienages to save face and oh having murdered Briala's family to keep stuff secret) anymore. I agree that the Chantry changes somewhat (with Cassandra vying for "back to the roots" with a nicer paintjob, which I don't regard as much change at all). One thing bothers me even aout Leliana. There's no indication that she'll veer from the "convert everyone" path. For Tevinter, I'll wait what DA4 might show us. I would want for them to change things up without copying the south. If the narrative would try to sell me the notion that southern style Andrastianism is the way forward, I'm going to react like you did about the DA4 news hinting at a new protagonist. Laser-guided briefcase. Though I will point out that that behavior you mention isn't exclusive to Andrastians. Last I checked if you want to live with a Dalish clan, you have to be their culture and religion or you're kicked out. Non-Dalish elves aren't "true elves" to them. That goes only for their clans at least. They don't go out into the world to convert humans. While I find the "trve elvez" talk to be annoying, I see it as their coping mechanism when faced with the constant threat of assimilation.
I also cannot in good conscience justify if people get andrastianised. I can't. I'm not sure if it is the right word, but the degree of internalised oppression andrastians carry (not just elves, but for them race is also a factor apart from Leliana's aims) turns me off. Holding people responsible for their supposed sins of their forebears is pretty abusive in my book. I personally prefer some modern Dalish concepts over that.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 21, 2020 11:59:25 GMT
Though I will point out that that behavior you mention isn't exclusive to Andrastians. Last I checked if you want to live with a Dalish clan, you have to be their culture and religion or you're kicked out. Non-Dalish elves aren't "true elves" to them. Where do you see this explicitly in game? If you say because of Sera's attitude, well there is nothing either in game or in her biography that suggests she ever went near a Dalish clan. With her it is all hearsay. They don't even force people to take vallaslin if they feel they are not ready for it. So a city elf refugee could simply politely refuse to adopt any particular god and so long as they don't actively criticise the religion of the clan, I think the other Dalish are okay with that. They consider the city elves to be not true elves because they stay being oppressed. "We are the last of the elvhen and never again will we submit." Up until Masked Empire the attitude of the Dalish was that the moment the city elf rejected human oppression and asked to join them, they were only too happy to take them and they were now true elves. The storyteller in DAO even admits that when they finally have a homeland again, the city elves may be able to teach them something useful about how to get along with their human neighbours. The reason they chased off Solas is he likely started pulling his "I saw it in the Fade" thing with them, which was actually quite rude on his part, to accept their hospitality and then start criticising their culture, plus they are really wary of having anything to do with spirits so they would not be happy he was hanging out in ruins just to be with them. Just as they would probably ask a city elf to leave if they joined up and then promptly tried to convert them to Andrastrianism.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 21, 2020 16:03:55 GMT
Then after the singing when I'm alone with Solas. He says: "The humans have not raised one of our people so high for ages beyond counting". I think that is probably the only time I remember him actually identifying himself with the modern elves. I also wonder who he is previously thinking of? Could it be that the humans worshipped Mythal? Shartan? Or Garahel?
I mean, they're both hardly "ages beyond counting" ago, but its Solas. His language is flowery.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 21, 2020 16:09:43 GMT
Though I will point out that that behavior you mention isn't exclusive to Andrastians. Last I checked if you want to live with a Dalish clan, you have to be their culture and religion or you're kicked out. Non-Dalish elves aren't "true elves" to them. Where do you see this explicitly in game? The use of the term flat-ear. Specifically to Solas, by Mithris, when she's only just met the man and all she knows of him is that he's not Dalish. I remember b/c it made me want to round on her and give her a piece of my mind.
Flat-ear is a term used to separate the true elves who are the last of the elvhen from the human wannabes who aren't the last of the elvhen. They consider them not to be "true elves", just people with pointy ears who supposedly wish they weren't. And its a widely held attitude, though some exceptions like Merrill either don't believe it or don't act like jerks about it if they do. (Though condescending pity can be almost as annoying, I suppose.)
The dalish attitude about it is most explicitly stated in Masked Empire, I think. But the in-game references to flat ears made the belief behind the term clear enough to me to work.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2020 17:05:49 GMT
Though I will point out that that behavior you mention isn't exclusive to Andrastians. Last I checked if you want to live with a Dalish clan, you have to be their culture and religion or you're kicked out. Non-Dalish elves aren't "true elves" to them. Where do you see this explicitly in game? If you say because of Sera's attitude, well there is nothing either in game or in her biography that suggests she ever went near a Dalish clan. With her it is all hearsay. They don't even force people to take vallaslin if they feel they are not ready for it. So a city elf refugee could simply politely refuse to adopt any particular god and so long as they don't actively criticise the religion of the clan, I think the other Dalish are okay with that. They consider the city elves to be not true elves because they stay being oppressed. "We are the last of the elvhen and never again will we submit." Up until Masked Empire the attitude of the Dalish was that the moment the city elf rejected human oppression and asked to join them, they were only too happy to take them and they were now true elves. The storyteller in DAO even admits that when they finally have a homeland again, the city elves may be able to teach them something useful about how to get along with their human neighbours. While Dalish clans differ wildly between one another, the above is not the impression one gets when talking with Lanaya in DAO. The way she mentions several times that she wasn't born amongst the Dalish hence she may feel different, are a first clue. She was basically Zathrian's adoptive daughter and yet she tells us that becoming Zathrian's First was very difficult, as one not born of a clan. Then she tells us that Dalish have old traditions and that most believe they come from Dalish nobility, and that the Keepers of the clan have strongest and purest blood. So she had to work twice as hard and be better at everything compared to other potential candidates, because she was not of 'the old blood'. So no, it's definitely not just because city elves 'stay being oppressed' (which... I mean, IMO, this is an awful reason to reject someone and doesn't speak well of the Dalish who do this) - or at least not among some of clans we meet. We should remember that the Dalish aren't a monolith and that they live in isolation both from the world and themselves, mostly. No, the Arlathvens don't bind them all together - realistically, a day (or a few days) meeting every 10 years isn't much. Plus, it's noted in their own internal sources ( codice available only to the Dalish HOF) that Arlathvens usually end up with a giant argument among the hahrens, and the Dalish joke that the reason clans go their separate ways is because their elders (responsible for keeping their lore and passing it to new generation) can't stand one another - from this we can easily infer just how much clans differ in their approach to own history and traditions. We have no clue what contacts of Solas with clans looked like - his opinion about the Dalish as presented to the Dalish Inquisitor is what it is, but not only Solas is at the moment in life where he's distant, cynical and bitter virtually about everyone, his opinion about the Dalish specifically appears to be an aftermath of unknown amounts of time he has tried to contact them and seems to have mostly met rejection. But in case we actually travel to the one Dalish clan we meet in DAI there is no banter or dialogue suggesting he just enters the camp and starts being rude or critical, or in fact tries to do anything for or against them as Inquisitor decides what to do. He keeps his mouth shut and observes. The one time we hear him comment about a person from that clan is when we find the records from the Red Crossing and he mentions that Taven (when Solas speaks someone's name - save for Inquisitor, but we know why that is - it's usually an indicator that he recognizes them as people and Taven must have earned Soals's respect for trying to investigate on his own something from Dalish history) would want this to be delivered to his clan. Also, we cannot forget that he isn't only basing his opinion on personal experience, because we know of at least one of his agents, and that agent hasn't just pretended to be Dalish, but also had complex relations with at least one Dalish clan. Felassan, anyone?
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Post by Delphine on Sept 21, 2020 21:37:06 GMT
Hey all, I'm currently reading Tevinter Nights in order to be fully prepared for DA4 (whenever that'll happen), and I recently finished the 4th story called "Callback" centered around Skyhold after the Inquisition had long left it, and I was wondering about something. I'll put it in spoiler in case someone hasn't read the story yet! So, do we all agree that that Regret demon has been created out of Solas' regrets, right? That it's his own feelings, lingering in the rotunda very strongly, that attracted that Regret demon from the fade in order to haunt Skyhold? It looks quite obvious to me, but I'm trying to see if people agree with it. In which case, it makes things even sadders as an Inquisitor who romanced Solas. He clearly enjoyed his time in the Inquisition, his time in Skyhold, his time with the Inquisitor, and he is filled with regrets that it ended the way it did?
Feel free to share your opinion or correct me, but this one has been bugging me a bit, I don't recall them ever explaining the existence of that demon to begin with, but I suppose it kinda is self-explanatory and obvious in a way, as a Solavellan.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 21, 2020 23:39:38 GMT
Hey all, I'm currently reading Tevinter Nights in order to be fully prepared for DA4 (whenever that'll happen), and I recently finished the 4th story called "Callback" centered around Skyhold after the Inquisition had long left it, and I was wondering about something. I'll put it in spoiler in case someone hasn't read the story yet! So, do we all agree that that Regret demon has been created out of Solas' regrets, right? That it's his own feelings, lingering in the rotunda very strongly, that attracted that Regret demon from the fade in order to haunt Skyhold? It looks quite obvious to me, but I'm trying to see if people agree with it. In which case, it makes things even sadders as an Inquisitor who romanced Solas. He clearly enjoyed his time in the Inquisition, his time in Skyhold, his time with the Inquisitor, and he is filled with regrets that it ended the way it did?
Feel free to share your opinion or correct me, but this one has been bugging me a bit, I don't recall them ever explaining the existence of that demon to begin with, but I suppose it kinda is self-explanatory and obvious in a way, as a Solavellan. We were definitely meant to understand that the Regret demon was drawn to the Rotunda by Solas' lingering regrets, yes.
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Post by Delphine on Sept 23, 2020 9:28:17 GMT
Hey all, I'm currently reading Tevinter Nights in order to be fully prepared for DA4 (whenever that'll happen), and I recently finished the 4th story called "Callback" centered around Skyhold after the Inquisition had long left it, and I was wondering about something. I'll put it in spoiler in case someone hasn't read the story yet! So, do we all agree that that Regret demon has been created out of Solas' regrets, right? That it's his own feelings, lingering in the rotunda very strongly, that attracted that Regret demon from the fade in order to haunt Skyhold? It looks quite obvious to me, but I'm trying to see if people agree with it. In which case, it makes things even sadders as an Inquisitor who romanced Solas. He clearly enjoyed his time in the Inquisition, his time in Skyhold, his time with the Inquisitor, and he is filled with regrets that it ended the way it did?
Feel free to share your opinion or correct me, but this one has been bugging me a bit, I don't recall them ever explaining the existence of that demon to begin with, but I suppose it kinda is self-explanatory and obvious in a way, as a Solavellan. We were definitely meant to understand that the Regret demon was drawn to the Rotunda by Solas' lingering regrets, yes.
Thanks for the confirmation, even though yes it was obvious but I needed it anyway ahah. It makes me feel even more for Solas now, everything surrounding him is so heartbreaking on all accounts.
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Post by Tanyara on Oct 4, 2020 19:48:39 GMT
Okay for all you Solasmancers, when I found this video on You Tube it immediately sprang to mind this could be Lavellan searching for a way to change the Dread Wolf's heart out in the wilds with the wolf watching on (or possibly a vision in her dreams). It is called Wolf Song; a Nordic lullaby. Aaah, that brings me back My mum used to sing me this when I was going to bed as a kid. I love this song (from the childrens' film Ronja Rövardotter), and Jonna Jinton is awesome!
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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 8, 2020 11:35:21 GMT
Flat-ear is a term used to separate the true elves who are the last of the elvhen from the human wannabes who aren't the last of the elvhen. They consider them not to be "true elves", just people with pointy ears who supposedly wish they weren't. And its a widely held attitude, though some exceptions like Merrill either don't believe it or don't act like jerks about it if they do. (Though condescending pity can be almost as annoying, I suppose.) I always thought flat-ear was used both ways, i.e. City elves using it as well, on those who want to leave an alienage community. Couldn't find it for some time as I did not remember by which characters it was used. Reading through some codexes in-game turned up " Alienage Culture".
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 8, 2020 23:11:25 GMT
Makes sense I suppose. Alienage elves can use the term for human wannabes, too. They just differ in who they apply it to.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 22, 2020 20:57:05 GMT
Okay, so I don't know if this has been posted here before but I've only just seen it on You Tube and found it amusing.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 24, 2020 15:00:56 GMT
That one is indeed very funny. If we're posting videos, I found this one yesterday. Its dramatic, not funny, but still.
This one is good, too:
I'm on a dramatic voiceover kick, I think.
Also, more of a traditional music vid, but I really like the edit of the "I would treasure being wrong again" line at the end and I still wish it was an actual dialogue option for romanced Lavellans.
I wonder how hard it would be to mod the friendship dialogue choice and that altered Solas response into the dialogue wheel for a romance... Hmm.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 27, 2020 23:14:12 GMT
That one is indeed very funny. If we're posting videos, I found this one yesterday. Its dramatic, not funny, but still.
This one is good, too:
I'm on a dramatic voiceover kick, I think.
Also, more of a traditional music vid, but I really like the edit of the "I would treasure being wrong again" line at the end and I still wish it was an actual dialogue option for romanced Lavellans.
I wonder how hard it would be to mod the friendship dialogue choice and that altered Solas response into the dialogue wheel for a romance... Hmm. There is no escaping Solavellan Hell.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 11, 2020 18:50:16 GMT
I just realised something when checking information about the Keepers in the Old Dales that came with the High Keeper robes. They are the robes of the high priest of Elgar'nan and yet I nearly always give them to Solas to wear, which he must absolutely hate. No wonder he ditched them after leaving the Inquisition.
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Post by Solas on Nov 17, 2020 0:13:05 GMT
"My people had a saying long ago: The healer has the bloodiest hands."
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Nov 17, 2020 2:15:57 GMT
That from the Bioware 25 years book?
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Post by Solas on Nov 17, 2020 2:36:20 GMT
yeah. in the making of DAI chapter, shown just below the previously-seen (from 2016 presentation) Solas concept art of the Trespasser chat. the art in that chapter was DAI concept art
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Nov 17, 2020 2:47:21 GMT
by Solas.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Nov 18, 2020 5:54:33 GMT
Folks! Folks! So THIS is how we defeat the Dread Wolf! From the Blue Gillespie "About Us" page; emphasis mine: The band see the character ‘Blue Gillespie’ as a collective alter-ego that represents the hidden darker side of each of them; the part that harbours dissatisfaction and anger. Through the music Blue Gillespie explore and vent this dark side with their audience and evoke a purging of negativity. By vanquishing their alter-egos through the music listeners may feel closer to the more positive, optimistic aspects of their nature.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Nov 19, 2020 0:47:42 GMT
Operation Dance Off is a go.
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Post by Iddy on Nov 19, 2020 18:13:43 GMT
So... do you guys think Solas is gonna survive DA4?
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Nov 19, 2020 19:22:09 GMT
So... do you guys think Solas is gonna survive DA4? I think it'll be an option, in at least some capacity. I hope it is, anyway.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Nov 19, 2020 20:05:42 GMT
So... do you guys think Solas is gonna survive DA4? I think it'll be an option, in at least some capacity. I hope it is, anyway. I really hope so, too. Yes what he's considering doing is appalling, but he hasn't done it yet, and we know he has a kind heart from some of the seemingly minor things we did (like taking the time to lay flowers on a stranger's grave). Also, a spirit of Compassion loved him. I think there is hope that he could redeem himself still.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Nov 19, 2020 20:24:52 GMT
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